Dreams-Visions
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Because whatever it is, it's constantly 100% more frames/second than the One.
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Tomb Raider Definitive Edition - PlayStation 4 = ~60fps, Xbox One = ~30fps
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GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
That's weird. Do you post on a certain console sales site?
Sidewinder
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SwiftDeath
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You do realize that Tim Lottes, Creator of FXAA [an anti-aliasing technique used widely] predicted almost all of this more than a year prior to the consoles launched based off of just the specs?
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=510076
ESram was the biggest problem he had with the XB1 and higher res/framerates
Dictator93
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Maybe a drop in Res would give them negligible framerate returns due to where the bottlenecks of their rendering are coming from. Also, ESRAM is a known hard-bottleneck. It prevents a lot in terms of high res high framerate actually.
I can't speak for others but personally i was pretty impressed because i run a 3770k@4.6ghz and a Sapphire 7970 Ghz Edition and my PC performed 1080p at an "almost" constant 60fps. To see the PS4 run this game at almost equal to my machine definitely impressed me. I guess this makes me more excited for future PS4 games when developers truly start to harness its power.
He nailed everything, didn't he. Nailed it all a whole year ago, 10 months pre-release. All hail Lottes.
Well it is basically 60fps, bar a few dips, isn't it?
Can someone please translate this into DBZ?
Alcoholikaust
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i am so late to this but-wow- now Im sort of interested in this version.
bravo
bravo
nextgeneration
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Exactly. For the people who have played this on pc and know what the requirements are to make this game run at a constant 60 fps and to see that the ps4 is capable of such performance is HIGHLY impressive, even more so with it being a $400 system.
Fess
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Because unlocked 60fps on PS4 vs unlocked 30fps on X1 is a major difference. I'm guessing the letdown of having the framerate unlocked will show itself later when people get to try it.
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
lol QFT, they're never happy
RickyRozay
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excellent news. Now I just want to know when we will start seeing reviews roll out. I'm guessing either this weekend or monday?
Forceatowulf
G***n S**n*bi
As I said earlier in the thread, i was one of these people, and I am now buying it. It's even given me reason to push forward on buying my next gen console in fact. Was gonna wait until early March... thinking about getting it around the day of my tax refund which is Feb 5'th.
60 FPS gaming is huge to me. I'm not a PC guy so when shit like this happens on consoles my eyes light up.
NullPointer
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*shivers*
viveks86
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Quadraphonic
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Was mainly stating "seemingly" since this is still the early point of the gen. I don't know how things will play out.
And this is the first case of frame rate difference on the (now) current gen when it comes to a multiplat. I remember EA sports games (e.g.: Madden) being 30 FPS on PS3 but 60 FPS on Xbox 360 but that was only for one year. So yeah, I said that since I can't say for sure. Things can change over time.
Only on GAF, OCUK (rarely) and twitter.
dragonelite
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That is the one thing most console gamers complain about if it comes to pc gaming.
Well, it actually is because the framebuffer for 1080p at 60fps with AA is way more than 32MB at this point, its around 40MB. Killzones g-buffer is around 50MB, so yeah the ESRAM is holding the system back (and of course the weaker GPU) and its a bottleneck but without it, this system would have been even worse.
If you reply, please avoid a textwall. thx.
SwiftDeath
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This is the first difference where devs are likely shooting for different standards [60fps on PS4, 30fps on XB1]
Digital Foundry showed that objectively BF4 not only ran at a higher res on PS4 but had a significantly more stable framerate with less dips
NullPointer
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More stuff to test? Implications to multiplayer balance? Degradation of the idea of console simplicity along with the Apple "it just works" mantra?
There's something nice in knowing that the devs are targeting one spec for each console.
Otherwise you get stuff like GT6 where you have to downgrade performance to 720p to get the game to play at a better than average but still not a continuous silky smooth 60fps even though everybody will talk about 1080p/60fps and all the trailers will show impossible bullshot resolution videos.
ShogunDarius
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I guess, Frieza final form (not max power though) vs SSJ Goku, after he returns from Namek
XB1 - That weird SSJ2 form that Trunks used when he got fully bulked but slow as hell.
PS4 - SSJ2 Gohan
Basically twice as powerful and faster.
The ESRAM is holding back Trunks (XB1) even though he's gotten more powerful than before (Pre upclock).
Panajev2001a
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PS3 did not have maybe the best GPU of the two overall (fixed partition of vertex shader ALU's vs Pixel Shader ALU's, some non clear issue with vertex processing throughput, etc...), not the easiest RAM setup to use (split memory pool, potentially more bandwidth for the GPU, but with plenty of side effects), and a CPU with a pretty steep learning curve...
Still, there was potential yet to be unlocked performance in that architecture which could push it above the Xbox 360, the CELL processor itself offered a LOT of performance once tackled properly and funnily enough the kind of thinking it required was exactly where high performance cores and programmers handling them have been going (well, minus not having HW managed caches)...
What big yet to be unlocked performance advantages does the Xbox One present in this case?
nextgeneration
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And i did not even mention my 7970 has a pretty bad ass overclock
Yup. Not to mention the 7970 does directcompute exceedingly well, which TRESS FX requires.
Zatoichi's Cane
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anyone who buys the ps4 version is dumb as it wont have the power of da clawwwd!
viveks86
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This. I don't want options. Options are for PCs :|
TheLegendOfMart
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Why are they lazy?
Why should they have to put in double the amount of effort to jury rig the game to get 60fps, it's Microsofts fault for gimping the hardware.
I caught wind of this before console launches when a few 3rd party devs were saying the same things.
Running code on the PS4 by raw power alone would already be better than the Xbox and required a lot of optimisation.
If this remains true then there will be more of the same. I hear the rock is not steady on another project.
nextgeneration
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Yup, that's the beauty of consoles. Plug and play (for the most part) without having to tweak and stuff. That should be left to pc gaming.
No, it really doesn't look very last gen at all. It just isn't the most graphically intensive next gen game, but there's nothing wrong with that. Titanfall looks quite good for a source title, a lot better than any source title I've ever seen. I think the geometry, art, particle effects and physics all look fairly solid. Titanfall is far from an ugly game.
That aside, we've been prepared for a while now that it possibly won't be 1080p, which I don't really have an issue with, because getting the performance right is important. I just hope it isn't a jag fest. That'd really detract from what I think is an otherwise pretty attractive looking game. Plus, it's a multiplayer title. I don't need the most mindblowing visuals. If I want to have my mind blown, I'll put in Ryse. Titanfall I expect will be a pretty solid release all around, and the leaked footage as of late has made me a whole lot more excited.
I think he is.
You are entitled to your opinion but i respectfully disagree. The art direction is last gen, the graphics(geometry, lighting, foliage, lack of destruction, textures) are last gen and most importantly, the gameplay introduces nothing new. I watched it and was completely bored out of my mind. No recoil shooting, stupid bots, lack of destruction, lack of innovation are some of the things that are bothering me about this game. To me, it feels like EA thought to themselves, "how can we make a call of duty game without getting sued by activision for copying cod?" There is nothing about this game that looks remotely interesting. How can you have titans firing rockets into a wall and the wall is not even damaged. Taking down titans is not even dynamic. When they first presented the game, they made it seem like you could shoot the arms and it would fall off reducing mobility etc. Its not dynamic but a scripted/canned sequence. This is the same problem COD suffers from, them amazing wow moments are finite because everything in the game is basically scripted and not dynamic. There is nothing you see in COD gameplay montages that you haven't seen before. Titanfall will quickly run into the same problem. Anyway, do enjoy the game but the lack of a campaign killed my interest in this game and the poor multiplayer gameplay and graphics have only reiterated my decision not to purchase this game. On a graphics level, this game is not more impressive than Black ops 2 on pc at max settings. They are really doing nothing special. Its less resource intensive when things baked/canned. While others are moving towards dynamic, living, breathing worlds, respawn continues to use last gen techniques in the creation of their games. Static environments, baked lighting, lack of destruction, lack of innovation, etc....
Metalingus5150
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Next Gen Batman game by rocksteady confirmed?
Omegabalmung9
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Sword Of Doom
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Don't people buy GOTY editions all the time? Aren't those always full price upon release? I don't get how this is any different
viveks86
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Do you realize what you have done? Article on n4g in 3 2 1
I really encourage people to read Mr. Lottes discussion on PS4 hardware. This is my type of folk..an unbiased PC guy that tells it like it is and gives credit when credit is due. In thise case he talks about the nice advantages of PS4 architecture. Great read and thanks for reposting this.
Edit Damn the page is down but the link still has some good portions of the article
Definitely getting ports - it's nearly free money - just port the existing assets over with a new coat of paint and increase the resolution on the text and voila! Probably less than a few million to port over if that; depending on the game and how much low-level optimization (for the PS3/360) was used and if there's any PC code available to be used.
Ultra Super Saiyan
That's the one!
My guess is Watchdogs?
viveks86
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LOL. Think nibzy. Think hard.
Oh wait. I think I see what you did there!
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Or did I? Damn it! It's becoming impossible to read people these days!
Sword Of Doom
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Yes and it also a fact that the PS4 has more rendering power. So put the two together
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