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Tricky I Shadow
Banned
**comes back to life**
It's a fact is it? News to me. I'll take the 'hand-holdy no-skill nonsense' (whatever the hell that even means) over the slower, more tedious platforming of the originals that took like 30 seconds just to position Lara due to the awkward controls.
Tricky I Shadow
Banned
Yep. The game is screwed no matter what.
So basically there's no way it can actually be bad. Haters just gonna hate no matter what huh?
BeautifulMemory
Member
Amir0x's heart can't take much more though, I'm sure. He's been hurt far too many times.
Not saying that, just saying if the game scores very well just like DmC, a recent reboot, history has been teaching us they will backlash more.
XOMTOR
Member
Honest question: What about this game makes it seem like your "dream game"? From all the videos and media I've watched, there's nothing about this game that stands out from other 3rd person, action adventure titles. What makes the TR Reboot any more desirable to you than the Uncharted franchise? Is it simply because Lara Croft is the protagonist?
Baconsammy
Banned
Oh make no mistake, I apply that to him as well. I understand anticipating a game. I do it all the time. But knowing you love or hate it before playing it is bizarre. I find the people that hate it more dubious though since they appear to take enjoyment in causing him grief. That's just sad. But it's not like he doesn't invite it.
Of course not, but people shouldn't go into a game wanting to hate it.
I seriously doubt this game will get less than 8-9s from the general press. Seems like the exact type of game that the media eats up these days. And I am not a hardcore Tomb Raider fan so this is coming as a neutral observation. The backlash would be severe if the game gets good review and it has legitimate flaws. People are just going to start screaming money hats at the top of their lungs.
Net_Wrecker
Member
The fact that people keep referencing the dated mechanics of classic TR to defend Tomb Reboot makes me think you just don't get it. There's simply no way you guys are serious mentioning the grid controls, and side flip pistol shooting a T-Rex, and the bad combat, etc. etc. No way you guys are serious.
As if anyone criticizing what we've seen of this game wants to go back to those ancient controls....
You guys can't be serious.............You guize....
Do you really think that's what people want when they describe the new platforming as "hand holdy no skill nonsense?"
Then I'm sure I will enjoy it and opinions of people I trust will reflect that.
Thats just the opposite argument to blaming the fans for hating, now we're blaming the press for being paid-off.
Then same goes to the other dude who says the soundtrack is going to be amazing!!!!!
Oh my god. I'm LOLing so hard right now. Clear educated assumptions? Half of the complaints people on her voice about the game are class A bullshit. I've seen people post everything from "this game only has optional tombs" over "Lara gets raped if you fail the QTE" to "you only have to hold the run button and Lara will jump automatically" and many more things like they were facts even though they are simply not true.
Furthermore, the "shit platforming" is not an indisputable fact. I've also played the demo and control-wise the platforming seems to be better than in the previews three games. From what we've seen (60 minute gameplay) it's also much more about jumping from platform to platform like it used to be in the classics as opposed to ledge to ledge like in Crystal's previous attempts at TR games. The ledge-to-ledge gameplay was something I've always hated about Crystal's TR games so far because it took zero skill, was completely without challenge and as a result simply boring. With the platform-to-platform gameplay there's at least some sort of challenge because you can miss a jump and fall down. My only concern when it comes to this game's platforming is that there won't be enough of it. But we won't be able to judge that until the game is out.
I agree that it's silly to say this game will be GOTY before even having played it but I can understand why he's rubbing people's noses in his enthusiasm considering how many misconceptions about the game are making their rounds around here.
thetrin
Hail, peons, for I have come as ambassador from the great and bountiful Blueberry Butt Explosion
Cutting to the bone!
More power to those interested in the game, but I don't see the appeal personally. It doesn't seem to introduce anything new or special to the genre (which is already far too crowded).
Jake Tower
Banned
Based on all of the evidence, what would you say is the probability of the game satisfying fans of old Tomb Raider games as a Tomb Raider game?
Having a lot more fun this time around.
Getting that damage control out of the way at the beginning.
Wanting to hate it and analyzing everything that's been shown and coming to the conclusion that you don't think it's going to be a good game at all are two different things. The former doesn't have any place but I don't believe most of the people who have been against this are like that. Even if they're just old TR fans who feel betrayed at the streamlined direction this is taking, that's a legit reason to be upset at this game.
Okay, I haven't been following too much of this game along the way. I'm interested in the premise and I feel like this is a perfect franchise for a reboot. It doesn't look all that great from gameplay footage I've watched, though.
I haven't been keeping up with the fan hype/anti-hype. Can anyone summarize the main complaints from the detractors of this game?
I haven't been keeping up with the fan hype/anti-hype. Can anyone summarize the main complaints from the detractors of this game?
Then my dreams will be fully realized.
shinobi602
Member
Correct me if I'm wrong, but are you saying third person shooters can't be "realistic"?
The main complaints are:
-that the game is too linear. While there are linear areas which are mostly used for story progression, there are also lots of open spaces called hubs where you're free to explore. Hubs come in varying sizes but they all have a very open layout. There are hidden items, hidden side tombs and oftentimes also areas which you can't access until you get certain gear and skill upgrades later on in the game which encourages you to go back and explore.
-that there's too much combat. Not going to argue with that. There does appear to be way more combat than in previous TR games. But the revamped combat seems to be a lot of fun and Crystal have previously said that there'll be an even split of one third combat, one third platforming, one third puzzle solving/exploration.
-that Lara is whiny. This is an origin story which shows Lara going from an ordinary 21-year-old to a badass tomb raider. Of course she's going to be somewhat emotional at the beginning of the game considering the circumstances she's in.
-that the transition from ordinary girl to mass murderer happens too quickly. I'll hold back judgement on that until I've actually played the thing myself. This fear is reasonable though from what we've seen so far.
-that tombs are just optional and not a part of the story. This is complete BS. We might not have seen a whole lot of the story tombs but they're in there. A Tomb Raider whose story doesn't involve around ancient mysteries and ruins would be absurd. Not to mention that the tombs have been hinted at (Lara saying she hated tombs. That scene obviously took place in a tomb and it was a cutscene so it was obviously part of the story. Not to mention the clips we've seen with Lara walking towards the stone casket). It is impossible to say how much time we'll be spending inside tombs without having played the game, though.
I think that's pretty much it. My personal complaint would be the white ropes and ledges which are not only unnecessary but also completely destroy the beauty of the environments. But overall I think the game will be great judging from what I've seen and heard so far (which is pretty much everything that's been released on the game).
Thank you, I appreciate that. That all mostly sounds reasonable.
You too, RagnarokX.
Fine Ham Abounds
Member
Sure you could, and it would be equally right. You don't seem to realize that either way, it would still counter your argument. You're basically telling people to shut up because you can't handle seeing opinions contrary to your own on a discussion forum of all places. This is either dishonest or insulting.
Indeed. I've already covered how much I hoped this would be good and how discouraged I am right now. What they've given us has been specifically for people to get a pre-release impression, and for me it's been negative. I've watched all the media they've released on this so far, and it's either indicative of the final product and not doing it for me, or the worst campaign in years and the game will surprise the hell out of me. Either way, my current view isn't an ignorant one, it's directly informed by what's out there to review.
I'll give the benefit of the doubt for the game.
But all the footage and media shown we can't help but think it's handholding, press A to venture forth, aped off Uncharted and a bunch of other games EXP Leveling AND HEY LOOK MULTIPLAYER.
But you know, I'll judge it for sure when I've got it and i'm streaming it. In which that time i'll be complaining about it over a mic.
But all the footage and media shown we can't help but think it's handholding, press A to venture forth, aped off Uncharted and a bunch of other games EXP Leveling AND HEY LOOK MULTIPLAYER.
But you know, I'll judge it for sure when I've got it and i'm streaming it. In which that time i'll be complaining about it over a mic.
Part of the problem, you are
The only thing this game is exciting me about is to finally get around playing the old ones.
Jake Tower
Banned
Above all else, I think the only thing you need to know is that CD isn't releasing a demo to 'save gamers from story spoilers.' They want the undecided to rely on the inflated day one PR approved review scores.
NotTheGuyYouKill
Member
Then awesome.
Based on the footage we've seen, which is roughly the first 2 hours of the game:
- Lack of tomb raiding: We've been told there are more tomb-like experiences in the game that they haven't shown us, but they refuse to show us anything to assuage our fears. Lara even says that she hates tombs. What little we have seen of what they call tombs in this game have been paltry.
- Lack of platforming: We've seen basic traversal; running, jumping, and climbing, but it's all very straightforward and mindless. We haven't see anything complicated. Climbable ledges and interactive objects glow regardless of if you use detective mode.
- Modern collectathon gameplay: complete arbitrary tasks for XP rewards. Filler busywork to pad out the game.
- Heavy focus on combat: In the IGN 60 minute demo almost the entire demo was combat.
- Too many scripted sequences: stories are fine when they don't get in the way of gameplay. When something that could have been a challenge the player overcame with skill but was instead turned into a cinematic playable cutscene you need to dial it back.
- Heavy focus on narrative: The game focuses on how Lara goes from being a scared girl to being a badass, but the game appears to handle this poorly to the point of making Lara look as though she has dissociative identity disorder or bipolar. She cries about not being confident in her abilities after and before scaling mountains like a superhuman and violently killing several people.
- The island is overpopulated with humans that take away from the sense of isolation and exploration the series is known for. Lara has a whole team of fellow survivors to talk to and cooperate with and an army of enemy humans to brutally slaughter with her axe.
Jake Tower
Banned
Press A for awesome.
TBH I think they just wanted to save the time and money required to create a demo. A lot of games don't release demos these days. Uncharted 2 didn't have a demo until way after release. I can't remember anyone reading that as a sign of doom.
Jake Tower
Banned
CD specifically said it's to save us from story spoilers. Which tells me this game is focused on being an experience more than a game, which is something I have less and less tolerance for these days, aside from specific game-play critiques.
Like I have said:
Lara saying she hates tombs is obviously a bit of a joke because we know she'll end up becoming a tomb raider. She hates the whole situation at first. That's the point of the story. Her going from hating to loving it.
I know but that is obviously a shitty PR excuse because they've already spoiled the first two hours of the game.
Assuming their excuse is not PR, it could be argued that although they have spoiled footage, they haven't spoiled "the experience" since you aren't the one holding the controller. They have an extremely high opinion of the narrative they've woven and believe that you will have some kind of empathetic relationship with Lara or something. A demo could damage that feeling they think they're going to elicit.
I think the most likely reason they aren't releasing a demo is because a demo would probably only confirm what people think based on the footage and would be a waste of money.
Lara saying that isn't the main point, it's the utter lack of coverage on anything resembling tomb raiding.
Exploration and isolation were the two pillars of Tomb Raider for me.
Both have been fucked up.
I don't really care how good a shooter it is, those two elements were the reason i was a fan of the series, and they are basically gone (especially isolation).
I find it weird because the one constant request i can recall from most Tomb Raider fans, ever since Legend, was: "Less combat against human enemies."
And yet when they go to reboot the franchise, the first thing they do, is focus the game on fighting a shit ton of human enemies in the corniest ways.
I guess they did want to shift their audience, oh well, Godspeed i guess.
Both have been fucked up.
I don't really care how good a shooter it is, those two elements were the reason i was a fan of the series, and they are basically gone (especially isolation).
I find it weird because the one constant request i can recall from most Tomb Raider fans, ever since Legend, was: "Less combat against human enemies."
And yet when they go to reboot the franchise, the first thing they do, is focus the game on fighting a shit ton of human enemies in the corniest ways.
I guess they did want to shift their audience, oh well, Godspeed i guess.
If they did a demo it would probably be the deer hunting demo. There was nothing wrong with that when I played it at Gamescom. It showcased the cinematic feel, as well as the hubs (even though the hub in it was pretty small compared to the later ones). I really believe it's simply because demos have become somewhat irrelevant nowadays (considering how many big games don't get demos anymore) and would thus not be profitable to create (and no they couldn't just use the Gamescom build because it's outdated and had bugs in it).
Evolved1
make sure the pudding isn't too soggy but that just ruins everything
Pretty much every game franchise I've been enthusiastic about over the years, especially those early years, has either fallen off the face of the earth or turned to shit. One after another. They just go all twisted up and backwards.
For me this new take on Tomb Raider is worst case scenario. If I was a satirist, and was writing an Onion article about modern drown-in-shit-river gaming homogeneity... it would be the Tomb Raider press release and PR.
I'm unhappy. And bitter. And I hope Crystal Dynamics falls flat on their fucking faces with this filth. That's the last I'll say on it.
For me this new take on Tomb Raider is worst case scenario. If I was a satirist, and was writing an Onion article about modern drown-in-shit-river gaming homogeneity... it would be the Tomb Raider press release and PR.
I'm unhappy. And bitter. And I hope Crystal Dynamics falls flat on their fucking faces with this filth. That's the last I'll say on it.
Nizz
Member
I hope I can watch some of that. I loved the original games and though Anniversary was a great updating of the original game. But I may sit this new one out till I read up on some impressions here and they're pretty good.