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[dreamfall]

What am I reading? It's like I'm in the twilight zone.
...
Oh and the puzzles are laughable. It's literally open gas pipe, create fire, swing the lantern in the direction of the fire and the way forward. Think you are stuck in a cleverly designed room? Yes until the game prompts you to use your shotgun to open the way forward. There are no clever puzzles here, no deciphering of clues. Just wind, explosions, and wave after wave of pirates to kill.

This makes me sad.

So many differing thoughts on the inclusion of what seems to be super simple puzzles, slightly veering off in the direction of exploration.

I'm hoping after this murderous survival adventure, the devs can include more of a focus on elaborate puzzles. We can dream!

I need Tuesday to come now to really try to understand what is going with this game!

 

[Raitosaito]

Wrong about what? It looks like fucking garbage, EA should be embarassed.

What is the budget EA gave the game? I mean they moneyhatted for a gameinformer cover so why is it so crap looking...

 

[Phonomezer]

Wrong about what? It looks like fucking garbage, EA should be embarrassed.

It looks worse than Warfighter, even. And that game looked like shit.

Oh I didn't read it properly, I thought he was referring to Tomb Raider... which isn't even an EA game haha, oops ;_;

 

[dreamfall]

Pretty sure once Tuesday rolls around the haters will be drowned out by overwhelmingly positive impressions.

But this isn't a good thing either, right? I mean- valid criticisms still should be identified.

This game seems to have its fair share, even if some of the combat/adventure overshadows most of it.

 

[Skilletor]

Don't listen to them. Just don't. I'm glad some people are actually playing this stunning game. This game deserves a better OT.

Haters gonna hate

I hope the mods start enforcing the ban on dismissive memes.

 

[Derrick01]

I think I value Tricky's opinion on this game just slightly above Derrick's at this point. Which means, not at all

Both of these dudes have spend day in and day out, literally conditioning their brains to love/hate the game respectively.

I am incapable of conditioning myself to believe something that's not true with a game. After all the railing I did against Hitman I went in to it ready to judge it for what it was, and it was a really bad stealth game due to the compromises they made to the design to make it accessible to the modern gamer. I told it exactly how it was as I experienced it and I'll do the same with this.

 

[Papercuts]

I have no idea what they're doing with Army of Two, it does look like shit. It'll probably get a last minute hasty OT, die off around page 3 or 4, then never be seen again.

And in that time it will sell atleast four times the amount Fuse will.

But this isn't a good thing either, right? I mean- valid criticisms still should be identified.

This game seems to have its fair share, even if some of the combat/adventure overshadows most of it.

A lot of OTs get super positive from the start. Most games leave a good first impression and either taper off with niggling issues or outright fall apart. Not saying this will, but actual breakdowns of a lot of the core mechanics would take awhile without jumping the gun in my opinion.

 

[Toa TAK]

Wrong about what? It looks like fucking garbage, EA should be embarrassed.

It looks worse than Warfighter, even. And that game looked like shit.

So there are others like me.

But it looks better than the previous installments... right?

 

[MormaPope]

Something like that yes. After DMC2 I was SUPER skeptical on the game especially since it was being handled by the same guys who made DMC2 and Dante's new design didn't exactly inspire confidence. It was only after playing the demo that I believed the hype which was that the combat system blows DMC1 away. Of course many people didn't have access to the demo so it was hard to communicate the strength of the game. Bare in mind also that this was when YouTube wasn't prominent and you had to download videos via linked files so it was harder to showcase the game outside of trailers.

The jump between what DMC2 was and what DMC3 ended up being is one of the biggest anomalies to ever happen in this industry. DMC2 single handily crushed all the positive buzz that the first DMC had generated.

The latest DMC was a pretty decent game but sales wise it's floundering, the DMC series will have to rise from the ashes once again and make people excited/positive about the franchise.

 

[antitrop]

So there are others like me.

But it looks better than the previous installments... right?

To be fair, I fucking despise everything about Medal of Honor: Warfighter.

It's borderline irrational.

 

[The perfect Dark]

I hope the mods start enforcing the ban on dismissive memes.

What the fuck?

Sorry I'm out. This is just ridiculous.

 

[Dahbomb]

What the fuck?

Sorry I'm out. This is just ridiculous.

He's talking about the haters gonna hate comment. It's dismissive of criticism.

 

[I'm an expert]

Critics gonna critcize.

 

[MormaPope]

I am incapable of conditioning myself to believe something that's not true with a game. After all the railing I did against Hitman I went in to it ready to judge it for what it was, and it was a really bad stealth game due to the compromises they made to the design to make it accessible to the modern gamer. I told it exactly how it was as I experienced it and I'll do the same with this.

And that's why I still enjoy your perspective on things, because it's a very critical and different perspective in this forum. Even if I disagree with you completely on subjects, you make debating and discourse a helluva lot more in depth and challenging.

I honestly don't get why some of you are critical on Derrick's personality or character rather than debate him on actual videogame philosophy or mechanics.

 

[Phonomezer]

Masters gonna bate.

 

[Toa TAK]

To be fair, I fucking despise everything about Medal of Honor: Warfighter.

It's borderline irrational.

I completely understand. Judging from the BETA I knew the game was going to be awful.

 

[SlasherJPC]

And that's why I still enjoy your perspective on things, because it's a very critical and different perspective in this forum. Even if I disagree with you completely on subjects, you make debating and discourse a helluva lot more in depth and challenging.

I honestly don't get why some of you are critical on Derrick's personality or character rather than debate him on actual videogame philosophy or mechanics.

Probably because he is negative on almost 99.9 percent everything and sorry, that's just not something people are going to resonate with. I don't know his personal life but if he rules it much like he does his outlook on gaming... I can't even imagine.

 

[Spazznid]

Tomb Raider is quite a big blind spot in my gaming history, after finishing this remake where do I go? Tomb Raider 1 or skip to Legends/Anniversary?

Legend's, then Underworld.

Or just underworld.

 

[antitrop]

I honestly don't get why some of you are critical on Derrick's personality or character rather than debate him on actual videogame philosophy or mechanics.

Here's the thing I notice about Derrick. People do engage him on the mechanics and philosophies debates, up to a point. After so long, people get bored debating the same issue, but Derrick doesn't. He'll keep the quote train up until the other guy gets bored and resorts to personal attacks or remarks about his character.

Which, I guess means that he wins.

 

[Skilletor]

Probably because he is negative on almost 99.9 percent everything and sorry, that's just not something people are going to resonate with. I don't know his personally life but if he rules it much like he does his outlook on gaming... I can't even imagine.

So? Does his criticism have any affect in your enjoyment? I fail to see why his opinions should be singled out, and yet people want more posts from people like tricky that are essentially buzzing over the thread with excitement.

 

[SlowRevolution]

Just looked up the writer of the game (because of the Uncharted comparisons) and her name's Rhianna Pratchett. She's worked on games like Overlord/Heavenly Sword/the 2008 Prince of Persia game, among others - havent played any of what she's helped with aside from some of Mirror's Edge, anyone know if she's good or not; or, if you've played already, is the writing good? The story/gameplay disconnect has been the biggest problem for me so far off of what I've seen, but it was like that in Uncharted anyway and the good writing mostly made up for it.

 

[I'm an expert]

Heavenly Sword and PoP08 are good fuckin games, but def not because of writing or story.

 

[Derrick01]

And that's why I still enjoy your perspective on things, because it's a very critical and different perspective in this forum. Even if I disagree with you completely on subjects, you make debating and discourse a helluva lot more in depth and challenging.

I honestly don't get why some of you are critical on Derrick's personality or character rather than debate him on actual videogame philosophy or mechanics.

People generally don't like negativity regardless of how it's laid out or how detailed the criticism is. I get that, we live in a shitty world and people want to forget and feel good while playing games and not have someone tear them down. But I don't believe in sticking your head in the clouds and ignoring all the bad stuff in a piece of entertainment just because "hey it's just entertainment".

 

[DieH@rd]

Tomb Raider is quite a big blind spot in my gaming history, after finishing this remake where do I go? Tomb Raider 1 or skip to Legends/Anniversary?

Find a friend, put him in front of your TV, and play Guardian of Light in coop. Fantastic game.

 

[digoutyoursoul]

Here's the thing I notice about Derrick. People do engage him on the mechanics and philosophies debates, up to a point. After so long, people get bored debating the same issue, but Derrick doesn't. He'll keep the quote train up until the other guy gets bored and results to personal attacks or remarks about his character.

Which, I guess means that he wins.

Or not give a shit if someone on the Internet thinks they have won or not.

 

[Majmun]

People generally don't like negativity regardless of how it's laid out or how detailed the criticism is. I get that, we live in a shitty world and people want to forget and feel good while playing games and not have someone tear them down. But I don't believe in sticking your head in the clouds and ignoring all the bad stuff in a piece of entertainment just because "hey it's just entertainment".

Have you played the game

 

[antitrop]

Heavenly Sword and PoP08 are good fuckin games, but def not because of writing or story.

Well, in Prince of Persia's case, I thought the writing was pretty good. As well as North's VO work. They went well together.

 

[L.O.R.D]

come on steam
just activate my copy already

 

[Skilletor]

Heavenly Sword and PoP08 are good fuckin games, but def not because of writing or story.

Story in pop2008 wasn't amazing, but the character interactions and dialog was gold.

 

[MormaPope]

Probably because he is negative on almost 99.9 percent everything and sorry, that's just not something people are going to resonate with. I don't know his personal life but if he rules it much like he does his outlook on gaming... I can't even imagine.

Gaf isn't about resonation though, no matter how someone may agree with someone else in a specific thread, there will eventually be discourse between those same people in another thread down the line. Discourse is inevitable, people like Derrick are just catalysts for dissension and debate.

And after a while, it becomes fun to actually butt heads and get into challenging debate with someone, cause chances are you're going to leave the conversation with some perspective and food for thought.

Here's the thing I notice about Derrick. People do engage him on the mechanics and philosophies debates, up to a point. After so long, people get bored debating the same issue, but Derrick doesn't. He'll keep the quote train up until the other guy gets bored and resorts to personal attacks or remarks about his character.

Which, I guess means that he wins.

A person has to think of better arguments then, to either move the debate forward or to get their point across.

 

[Phonomezer]

Just looked up the writer of the game (because of the Uncharted comparisons) and her name's Rhianna Pratchett. She's worked on games like Overlord/Heavenly Sword/the 2008 Prince of Persia game, among others - havent played any of what she's helped with aside from some of Mirror's Edge, anyone know if she's good or not; or, if you've played already, is the writing good? The story/gameplay disconnect has been the biggest problem for me so far off of what I've seen, but it was like that in Uncharted anyway and the good writing mostly made up for it.

The writing is decent. Better than anything else I've played recently, though Tomb Raider doesn't have much dialogue because she spends so much time by herself. Lara is an extremely well realised character, though this seems to have come at the expense of the NPCs who are pretty flat.

 

[Dahbomb]

Heavenly Sword and PoP08 are good fuckin games, but def not because of writing or story.

Nah man some of the characters were written well in the 2 games. King Bohan and the couple in PoP were decent characters with good dialogue.

 

[I'm an expert]

Are you guys forgetting they intentionally cliffhangered pop98's ending for the epilogue dlc? But yes, the vo and acting in both games are top notch.

Nah man some of the characters were written well in the 2 games. King Bohan and the couple in PoP were decent characters.

Hrm, I wouldn't say it was the writing that was strong, but the deliery. But that's just opinion. I enjoyed both immensely.

 

[digoutyoursoul]

People generally don't like negativity regardless of how it's laid out or how detailed the criticism is. I get that, we live in a shitty world and people want to forget and feel good while playing games and not have someone tear them down. But I don't believe in sticking your head in the clouds and ignoring all the bad stuff in a piece of entertainment just because "hey it's just entertainment".

It's all opinion though, what you say is bad another person might not think so , doesn't necessarily mean they are sticking their heads in the clouds or ignoring issues just because you say so. Get over yourself for fuck sake.

 

[Derrick01]

Have you played the game

At this point I feel like the only one who hasn't with all of these early releases. One of the few downsides to PC gaming I suppose.

 

[Phonomezer]

It's all opinion though, what you say is bad another person might not think so , doesn't necessarily mean they are sticking their heads in the clouds or ignoring issues just because you say so. Get over yourself for fuck sake.

 

[Dahbomb]

Get over yourself for fuck sake.

Man people really let Derrick get under their skin lol.

 

[digoutyoursoul]

Man people really let Derrick get under their skin lol.

Whatever makes your day

 

[antitrop]

At this point I feel like the only one who hasn't with all of these early releases. One of the few downsides to PC gaming I suppose.

On the contrary, I feel sorry for all the people who played the game early, as they did not have the option to choose the best version.

 

[Phonomezer]

On the contrary, I feel sorry for all the people who played the game early, as they did not have the option to choose the best version.

I'm not playing it right now by choice. What are you doing today?

 

[Derrick01]

On the contrary, I feel sorry for all the people who played the game early, as they did not have the option to choose the best version.

Yeah at least we'll get textures that don't make us feel like we lost our eyesight with how muddy and blurry they are. If there's anything I'm looking forward to with this game it's seeing what Nixxes can do with it on PC. They can polish a turd better than anyone in this industry, and I say that in an extremely positive way.

 

[Phonomezer]

Yeah at least we'll get textures that don't make us feel like we lost our eyesight with how muddy and blurry they are. If there's anything I'm looking forward to with this game it's seeing what Nixxes can do with it on PC. They can polish a turd better than anyone in this industry, and I say that in an extremely positive way.

The texture work on the console versions is among the best I have seen. Super clean IQ, as well. Game just looks incredible.

Not many games have the ability to wow me on 7/8 year old hardware.

 

[DukeBobby]

They can polish a turd better than anyone in this industry, and I say that in an extremely positive way.

Very true. Hitman: Absolution looked fantastic on PC, despite the game being quite poor.

 

[Spazznid]

Yeah at least we'll get textures that don't make us feel like we lost our eyesight with how muddy and blurry they are. If there's anything I'm looking forward to with this game it's seeing what Nixxes can do with it on PC. They can polish a turd better than anyone in this industry, and I say that in an extremely positive way.

*Reads comment from Derrick01

*Nods head

*Turns computer off

 

[GlamFM]

8 hours in - I still think this is a fantastic Game.

 

[Nemesis_]

What the fuck happened to this thread overnight.

 

[antitrop]

What the fuck happened to this thread overnight.

What are you talking about?

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

What the fuck happened to this thread overnight.

I dunno.

Conversation, I guess?

 

[Nemesis_]

I dunno.

Conversation, I guess?

All I see is people hating the game who haven't played it and I even spied people accusin Tricky of being a viral marketer.

Not really conducive. ;_;

 

[Toa TAK]

Has anyone heard this, yet? Awesome stuff.