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BocoDragon said:
This man speaks the fucking truth.
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Too Asian? - An Article on Universities
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This man speaks the fucking truth.
hamchan said:
Mind you, I do think it's at least a little weird. I remember my grade in High School was the second last grade to have more than 40% non-black haired people in it. Every single grade after it was, like, 90% asian at the least. It was worse at other Selective Schools, too.
That's pretty much it. Many of those 1st/2nd gen Asian families value education as a religion. How many white kids do you see just float by? Even with minorities like Black and Latin for America, who still come from better homes than many Asian kids. Why do they continually succeed regardless.BocoDragon said:
There is a uni near me called UMBC which has been dubbed it 'U Must B Chinese'. And yes it does have an M.O. as a non-party study school.
Also, Engineering at my University is highly diverse.. just no white people. LITERALLY no white people in my Electrical Engineering classes.
Also, Engineering at my University is highly diverse.. just no white people. LITERALLY no white people in my Electrical Engineering classes.
BeautifulMemory
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Let's get an Asian to be president
From what I've seen, this whole "self segregation" thing about asians is overblown. Every single ethnicity does it. Here in LA, as diverse as it is, you go to high school, and latinos are hanging with latinos, asians are hanging with asians, blacks with blacks, whites with whites.
Really though, its not "self segregation." We're not opposed, intimidated or uncomfortable about befriending other ethnicities. You come up to us, strike up conversation, if we click, we're friends. If not, ok.
Im pretty sure a lot of you guys claiming this whole "self segregation" thing are people who just watch the big group of asians and say, "hey, i just realized something, why do asians only hang out with asians?" And your friends undoubtedly validate that idea by saying, "Yea! I noticed that too!"
Im also sure that some of you guys have probably experienced being an outsider when you are in a big group of asians. Or maybe even have experience with asians going out of their way to not befriend you. Which isn't any different than when Im in a big group of latinos and they start mixing their english with spanish and Im standing there, lost. Its just what happens when you're the only one different in a big group of a different ethnicity.
Every single one of my asian friends have friends (and yes, best friends) from a different ethnicity.
I've also seen a lot with just asian friends with the occasional acquaintance from another ethnicity.
I also know a lot of black, latino and white friends who have a majority of their "close social circle" with people of their same ethnicity.
Its not just an "asian" problem. Its just how it is.
Stop singling us out. And dont flatter yourselves, we're not as intimidated by other ethnicities as you might think.
EDIT: And, its basic social economics. (enter ethnicity here)'s parents pick a neighborhood or city with the majority population being (their ethnicity here). They go to elementary school, where the majority of their friends are of the same ethnicity. These kids also end up in the same high school.
And it goes on and on and on. There's a reason why a person's social circle's diversity is much more diverse when they head to a university. Yes, even these supposed "asian universities."
Really though, its not "self segregation." We're not opposed, intimidated or uncomfortable about befriending other ethnicities. You come up to us, strike up conversation, if we click, we're friends. If not, ok.
Im pretty sure a lot of you guys claiming this whole "self segregation" thing are people who just watch the big group of asians and say, "hey, i just realized something, why do asians only hang out with asians?" And your friends undoubtedly validate that idea by saying, "Yea! I noticed that too!"
Im also sure that some of you guys have probably experienced being an outsider when you are in a big group of asians. Or maybe even have experience with asians going out of their way to not befriend you. Which isn't any different than when Im in a big group of latinos and they start mixing their english with spanish and Im standing there, lost. Its just what happens when you're the only one different in a big group of a different ethnicity.
Every single one of my asian friends have friends (and yes, best friends) from a different ethnicity.
I've also seen a lot with just asian friends with the occasional acquaintance from another ethnicity.
I also know a lot of black, latino and white friends who have a majority of their "close social circle" with people of their same ethnicity.
Its not just an "asian" problem. Its just how it is.
Stop singling us out. And dont flatter yourselves, we're not as intimidated by other ethnicities as you might think.
EDIT: And, its basic social economics. (enter ethnicity here)'s parents pick a neighborhood or city with the majority population being (their ethnicity here). They go to elementary school, where the majority of their friends are of the same ethnicity. These kids also end up in the same high school.
And it goes on and on and on. There's a reason why a person's social circle's diversity is much more diverse when they head to a university. Yes, even these supposed "asian universities."
BocoDragon
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JayDub said:
Yup I agree with all the points you touch on.
numble said:
ya ignore that rant
still, studies show that ivy league schools are harder on asians, they require academics well above what what other students need to get in
as for lowering standards, if schools choose to let in underachieving white students to keep a large white student body then that's lowering standards because if they just accepted the best students that applied, they could raise standards since those top students could handle it, while they might have to curve up classes or make things easier to accomodate the people they're letting in
My best friend and girlfriend is Chinese-American. I'm mostly oblivious to it, but this "self-segregation" is something that bothers her a lot. She tells me that if I ever find myself among a group of FOB-y Asians and they start talking Japanese/Mandarin/Cantonese/Korean/etc to tell them to "shut the fuck up" and talk English. She gets pretty worked up over it. I guess her openness to non-Asians is a big reason why she's dating a non-Asian.
I've always had friends of different ethnicities/cultural backgrounds. We even nicknamed ourselves the "junior UN club" because our circle of friends included such a wide variety of ethnicities.
I've always had friends of different ethnicities/cultural backgrounds. We even nicknamed ourselves the "junior UN club" because our circle of friends included such a wide variety of ethnicities.
so instead of being proud of having very intelligent and hard working students, they are concerned that the poor slackers who just want to party are bummed out that they can't go to the best university, and blame an ethnicity for it. great attitude
the real problem is that these less able kids probably shouldnt be going to university in the first place, but instead they see it as an extension of school and still have the sense of entitlement at the same time as the too cool for school attitude.
the real problem is that these less able kids probably shouldnt be going to university in the first place, but instead they see it as an extension of school and still have the sense of entitlement at the same time as the too cool for school attitude.
esquire said:
The fact that she calls other asians "FOB" means she should "shut the fuck up."
Aiyah, I apologize. I dont want to offend you. Its just that, "self segregation" does exist in a very disgusting form within western asian cultures, and that is asians hating on asians. The whole asian gang epidemic in America practically started because "american" asians were making fun of asians that had a thick accent.
I'll talk to someone and it'd be like, "Oh, you're into FOBS?" And its not just the "american" asians that do this; the "foreign" asians get defensive and do this too. They call us "ABC"
Fuck that shit. I've said it before and ill say it again. Cut that shit out.
Joel Was Right
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UC Berkeley ftw
Basically I feel that orientation activities are the worst offender of making people hang around only with their own kind. Before you can go around and meet other people, you're already dumped into a clique that you're expected to be in and you'd have to be a jerk if you want to avoid them altogether afterwards.
But maybe that's only my experience.
But maybe that's only my experience.
Byakuya769
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Is there any research into what happens to this group, in particular, once they get into the work place? I've been markedly confused at how well represented asians are in the top law schools, and how little represented they are in the top law firms. What's going on there?
JayDub said:
Its not bad but there's immigration phobia * the country is closer to asia than "western" nations and its always something that comes up.
haven't heard of chinamen but for sure I've heard of "imports"
there are also simmering tensions here (aka cronulla race riots *aussies vs lebanese) and the long standing problem with aboriginals.
and issues with muslims to a degree.
so basically issues with lots of people :lol
BudokaiMR2
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I never did understand exactly why but University of Florida had a pretty huge Korean population. I taught foreign students wanting to study in the states and almost always about 80% were Korean.
They were also pretty bad about keeping to themselves. The only non-Koreans they really spent time with were us, their teachers. They were fun people though!
They were also pretty bad about keeping to themselves. The only non-Koreans they really spent time with were us, their teachers. They were fun people though!
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Dice said:
Haha, that's exactly what I thought when I was in school except 2 was consequences in general. It seriously bewildered me back then that folks did that. Still bewilders me to this day. I mean, I don't mind a bit of drinking but folks really go out crazy even in my age bracket.
Most groups, Asian or not, gather together with folks that are in their comfort zone either by shared background or shared hobbies. Shared background is something that can't be changed and is often the easiest one to identify, sadly. If you ask most of the Asians in those groups, even the international students, it's because they're comfortable with the others. It's stupid but true, happened to me growing up as well. I'm Asian-American but I don't look it nearly as much as others so I got ignored pretty often. Thankfully, I started associating with folks by hobby and thus came here. :lol
JayDub said:
In general Aussies aren't racist at all (although it depends how far you get from the major cities, to hear my friends say). Unfortunately though we do have leftover bits of 'yellow peril' and so on. Most Aussies would consider themselves fairly easygoing though.
Mind you I think a lot of the asian parents I have to mix with occasionally are racist. My mother especially :lol
Well, there a lot of threads/posts on the subject of Australian racism, like this one: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=23033575#post23033575hamchan said:
Most people hang out in groups comprised mainly of people of the same cultural background, but there's definitely a double standard here when singling out Asians as the only group guilty of this because of the visible minority factor.
Also, that article sounds like it was written by one of the black or latino student activist groups at University of California campuses. Man, they'd throw some of the iciest death glares while flyering towards asian students on campus whenever the protests during UC regents meetings were held.:lol
Also, that article sounds like it was written by one of the black or latino student activist groups at University of California campuses. Man, they'd throw some of the iciest death glares while flyering towards asian students on campus whenever the protests during UC regents meetings were held.:lol
On the subject of drinking...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_flush_reaction
About 1/5th of asians are afflicted by this issue. Can't remember where to find the source for that figure though :/
But it's probably at least in part caused asians to have the relationship with alcohol that they do. That is to say, distant and moderated.
Of course, some asians just like any other racial group will have piss tanks that drink alcohol more than water. They'll also have plenty of guys with liver problems and all that jazz.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_flush_reaction
About 1/5th of asians are afflicted by this issue. Can't remember where to find the source for that figure though :/
But it's probably at least in part caused asians to have the relationship with alcohol that they do. That is to say, distant and moderated.
Of course, some asians just like any other racial group will have piss tanks that drink alcohol more than water. They'll also have plenty of guys with liver problems and all that jazz.
During my time at uni, while I have seen cliques that are organised by ethnicity, if you actually try to engage with people from different backgrounds, most of the time you will get something out of it. My circle of friends has people from England, Hong Kong, Singapore, Japan, Cote D'Ivoire, Iran, Sri Lanka, Germany, loads of different places. We're all human.
I actually think a lot of the informal segregation comes from the cultural societies. During induction week people decide to join JapanSoc or PortugalSoc because they share a culture in common and from that moment on they miss out on associating with the broader student body. After those first few weeks it just becomes too awkward to try to make new friends, at least for a lot of people.
I actually think a lot of the informal segregation comes from the cultural societies. During induction week people decide to join JapanSoc or PortugalSoc because they share a culture in common and from that moment on they miss out on associating with the broader student body. After those first few weeks it just becomes too awkward to try to make new friends, at least for a lot of people.
BocoDragon said:
But studying is hard, sure I could put more time in but why?
I am fine with my G (pass, like a C I guess) can´t I be?
Also I dont notice Asians dominating over here, but I am in Sweden so they might freeze to death. :3 We do have a lot of foregin students, but they dont "dominate".
Asians dominate school in north America because the local culture here is laziness in school and all efforts into sports. Doing good in school is uncool. For Asians, doing bad in school is shameful.Erasus said:
That plus Asian students prefer going to north America over Europe. Europes immigrants mostly come from the middle east or Africa.
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I've graduated from UBC and Western, and I'm currently at U of T. As a non-Asian, I've had absolutely no trouble socializing with Asians. The ones who are less comfortable with English will naturally tend to gravitate to other native speakers of their language, but otherwise they're similar to whites. The same applies to brown people. Sure, efforts could be made to help recent immigrants integrate better through language/cultural workshops/social events, but any efforts in this area are going to have a limited impact.
In terms of partying, yeah, the white people (and a subset of the brown people) tend to drink more. It's not a huge issue.
Basically, there's no real issue here.
In terms of partying, yeah, the white people (and a subset of the brown people) tend to drink more. It's not a huge issue.
Basically, there's no real issue here.
ATF487 said:
Same at my uni. There's a lot of exchange students from China coming in and they really don't mingle. I've been student mentor for Chinese exchange students two times. While I had a great time with them as individuals, I'd be about the only non-Chinese they'd be in contact with, even though they did courses filled with exchange students from all over the world.
Also, when I was studying in Japan, the Japanese students I met were partying... hard. But not so much those of my uni (Handai) but of others in town, such as Kansai and Gaidai. Guess they had more free time. Also, the Korean and Chinese exchange students at Handai usually had to work their ass off because of their scholarships/expectations at home, while the Thai I was hanging out with pretty much partying big-time. Cultural differences and parents with deep pockets, I guess.
WrathOfOtaibah
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I could not care less. If people are whining about not being able to complete, step your shit up or leave. The problem is that too many white kids are pampered and lazy. They want to be at the top but without putting in the effort. They just want to be at the top because they are special and deserve to be there.
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Thagomizer said:
Well, to be honest, we, and I mean Koreans, had a metting about you. It didn't end well.
I wouldn't think too much if it. Koreans are snobby, two faced (lots of cultural background on that) and are just dicks.
Chinese students? I dunno, the only groups I remember from campus were the Mainland foreign born students. I have no idea why I would hang out with them.
Japanese students. There weren't that many at my school, but they seemed affable enough.
I dunno, I was probably an exception, because I played (loose term, I was a pracitce squad scrub.) football. So who I hung out with was definitely different than the average Asian-American student on my campus.
Zzoram said:
I was hoping for responses like this. The reality is that those who don't go out, drink, party, and have a good time are the obnoxious self-righteous ones. I'm an older dude who hasn't even watched the Jersey Shore because frankly I don't have time nor am I even remotely interested, but when I was in college and my early 20s I knew how to cut loose. Being young is all about pushing your boundaries and exploring the world outside your comfort zone. Sitting in your dorm room and playing warcraft with a bunch of other dudes doesn't achieve that. If that's what you want out of life that's fine, but don't act all self-righteous when people who enjoy going out, drinking, and being social talk about it.Door2Dawn said:
You really are stereotyping both groups way too much. Are you an expert? Go to crappy community colleges in Southern California and you'll find lazy dopehead Asians, and you can also find overachieving whites all over Orange County, New England, San Jose, Beverly Hills, etc. Boarding schools and private schools are full of overachieving whites, often at the same socio-economical income class as the overachieving Asians that go to public schools. Boston's Chinatown is known for their "underachieving" Asians. The heavily Asian San Gabriel Valley in Southern California has it's well documented stories of Asian high school dropouts and Asian gangs, K-town in LA is more known for crime and clubbing then overachieving Asians, and even Arcadia High School in Southern California, which is heavily Asian (and rich Asians at that), sends a ton of the kids to the local community college and a third of all kids don't even get into 4-year colleges.Zzoram said:
Salazar said:
The same at mine. My French class was the only one where there was an Asian minority. Even within commerce, there seems to be different ratios for different subjects. In finance it was 90% Asian in my tute (I was actually bored enough to count, and there were 2 white people out of 20), while it gets a bit more varied in economics and econometrics. While sometimes there are communication barriers, the international students I've approached have been friendly enough on the whole. It's kinda weird. I went to a public school and there was a variety of people. Besides the odd idiot, race never really came up and everybody mixed together. Now, when I look around lecture theatres, there'll be a cluster of white people sitting together, and Asians, well, everywhere, haha, and the people I usually hang around with are mostly Asian. I don't consider myself Asian, so it's not really some 'policy' about hanging out with a certain kind of people. It kinda just happened, which seems kinda odd when I take a step back and look at it considering what it was like in high school.
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numble said:
Shoutout to Arcadia High.
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