Too Asian? - An Article on Universities

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Lots of Asians at my school. Asian cliques are common, but so are white and black cliques. And multiracial groups of friends are even more common. So I'm not understanding the complants about the "balkanization" of college campuses.

Anyway, why is the disproportionate amount of Asians in prestigious universities a problem really? If their academic achievements merit admission, then they should be let in, plain and simple. I understand wanting more Blacks/Hispanics to be admitted into good schools, but to complain about not enough whites/too many Asians being admitted is really, really stupid.
 
From my experience, things are alot better regarding Asians intermingling with other ethnic groups. The only Asians who only keep to themselves are the 1st generation/exchange students.

I do have to agree with ChiTownBuffalo that Koreans are the most exclusive and clannish out of all the Asian groups (this coming a Korean BTW).
 
So what I'm gathering from this is white students just don't want to work as hard as their Asian peers but they somehow expect the same end results- good job placement, a rewarding education, acclamation for their achievements. This is a reflection of both Canada's and the United States' workforce problem- natives refusing to work as hard as their immigrant peers. The resentment stems not from any sort of favoritism but a serious lack of motivation and focus. Native students just lack the work ethic of the international student body. I have no sympathy for such behavior.
 
weekend_warrior said:
control F "Cornell", phrase not found. wut?
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I Ctrl+F'ed "Stony Brook" and didn't find it either :P

The whole "keeping the Ivy League schools WASP" thing was pretty stupid and blatantly unfair to Asians.

And also, I found when I went to a state university with a large Asian population (SUNY Buffalo, although it's Asian population is no where near Stony's), and lived in the dorms that were mostly foreign exchange students... a lot of the foreign exchange and/or FOB people would keep to themselves or only hang out with other Asians. Though the Americanized ones would hang out with everybody.
 
richiek said:
From my experience, things are alot better regarding Asians intermingling with other ethnic groups. The only Asians who only keep to themselves are the 1st generation/exchange students.

I do have to agree with ChiTownBuffalo that Koreans are the most exclusive and clannish out of all the Asian groups (this coming a Korean BTW).
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Its hard being Korean. Awesomeness is a very heavy burden, we require the support of other that know what it is to be that awesome as support.
 
richiek said:
I do have to agree with ChiTownBuffalo that Koreans are the most exclusive and clannish out of all the Asian groups (this coming a Korean BTW).
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It's the same in WV. (Coming from a Korean) They group together, but I don't blame them. Some of the braver ones have approached me and asked my ethnicity (or to draw me in), they're nice enough. From what I've learned, speaking their birth language is just more comfortable to them.

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I should also say this is a liberal arts university. Still tons of 'em here though :lol
 
I am pretty surprised that this is written about Canadian universities. I always thought Asian-Americans were more hurt by the model minority stereotype than Asians in Canada. Guess it's the same everywhere.
 
And that's why I studied English. No matter how great a Chinese person is at math or engineering, I'll be head over heels better than they are at editing.
 
JzeroT1437 said:
And that's why I studied English. No matter how great a Chinese person is at math or engineering, I'll be head over heels better than they are at editing.
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I beg to differ. I'm sure my editing skills are comparable to yours. My brother also founded an editing company as a side job.
 
It's all about the culture. Asian-Americans are going to go to college. This is pretty much expected of them from a very young age. Sometimes it works out and sometimes it doesn't but the expectation is always there. It doesn't matter if the kid is smart or not. Got a dumb kid? They just need to study more.
 
TestMonkey said:
It's all about the culture. Asian-Americans are going to go to college. This is pretty much expected of them from a very young age. Sometimes it works out and sometimes it doesn't but the expectation is always there. It doesn't matter if the kid is smart or not. Got a dumb kid? They just need to be beaten more until they get good grades.
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Fixed that for you.
 
Zzoram said:
To whites who think asians hang out too much with their own, do you hang out mostly with whites? Have you ever tried to hang out with asians? I'm pretty sure these groups are open to outsiders, it's just outsiders see everyone in the group looks the same and steer clear.
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Not really. It's a cultural thing.

I had a good Vietnamese friend, and her parents were constantly pushing her to hang out with other Viets instead.
 
Protocol Snow said:
I beg to differ. I'm sure my editing skills are comparable to yours. My brother also founded an editing company as a side job.
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The majority of undergrads - of any race - can't write. So I don't think that's much of a concern. :lol
 
TheExodu5 said:
Not really. It's a cultural thing.

I had a good Vietnamese friend, and her parents were constantly pushing her to hang out with other Viets instead.
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Maybe they thought you wanted to impregnate her?

BTW, not sure ''Viet'' is well accepted...
 
TestMonkey said:
I wasn't going to go there but yeah. While white parents have mostly wussed out, Asians feel no need to hold back an ass-whooping on report card day.
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Yeah, stupid white parents without the balls to beat their kids. What's wrong with them?
 
Is it me, or does it just sound like the white kids thing college is for nothing but parties?

What the hell happened to this country? :(
 
grumble said:
Yeah, stupid white parents without the balls to beat their kids. What's wrong with them?
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Shame and humiliation work as well.

"My friend's daughter has a 3.9 GPA and she's going to MIT in the fall. Why can't you be more like her?"
 
richiek said:
Shame and humiliation work as well.

"My friend's daughter has a 4.0 GPA and she's going to MIT in the fall with a full scholarship while working at the Chinese restaurant 8 hours a day. Why can't you be more like her?"
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grumble said:
Yeah, stupid white parents without the balls to beat their kids. What's wrong with them?
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Its not a matter of beating the kids. Its more of the empahsis placed on education.

I think alot of American parents, especially if they come from a more economically well off background, adopt the assumption with their level of wealth, and with the portion of that wealth in the form of property taxes and what have you, that their kids will be adequately educated and prepared to go into college without much effort.

For the majority of Asian parents who are immigrants, and even those who come here with degrees, they feel that college in the US is not a guaranteed thing. And the best way to get in, it to be at the top of that curve. Leave as little cushion for failure as possible. So they put more stake into it. And the larger the stake, the more important it is. And, you might hit a kid for screwing up any aspect that he or she has for having a better life.
 
I was surprised of how many asians of chinese descent that came from asia (me being one myself) still have the stigma against African Americans. I was told by some of them that they prefer regions in US that has a lower african american population (which is why some of them went to Iowa of all places) and NYC is dangerous to travel alone with all the african americans around. Of course, they pretty much refer them as black people but being politically correct was never a big concern anyway.




Yeah... ;/
 
BocoDragon said:
It's pretty obvious why: Confucius stressed pleasing one's elders, as well as the merits of examination systems to determine placement in the government. That lead to a culture where studying hard to be successful was everything. The Imperial Chinese dynasties promoted Confucian ideas heavily over the centuries (the Emperor being the ultimate elder to whom one must defer), and these ideas were exported to most of the countries of Asia, which were once Chinese tributaries: Korea, Japan, Vietnam, etc. These ideas formed the core of Asian thinking, and while few would consciously think of themselves as "Confucian" anymore, it nonetheless is embedded in the thinking of their cultures. (Christian-based thinking is the counterpart in Western thought, with even atheists thinking in concepts that could only be borne of monotheist theology: natural human rights, etc.)
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From my experience and observation, it has more to do with the social classes. Most asian kids who got good degrees have educated parents or at least parents who appreciate education highly. From the outside view, it seems like asians are moving up socially faster than other ethnicities, but truth is that their parents aren't uneducated, they just often don't have the chance to succeed on their own.


BocoDragon said:
And I don't take seriously that "Asians only stick to their own kind" stuff. There is a grain of truth to it.. but few of them are actually exclusionary... they're just in their comfort zone of people who come from a similar background. If you engage them in communication, as I have, you will be welcomed.
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And their comfort zone is illusionary. Being Asian myself, I'm wondering why so many asians think that way. I'm hanging with people who have the same hobbies or the same interests, ethnicity doesn't matter.
Fortunately, the younger generation are more open, mixed marriages help a lot.
 
Neo C. said:
And their comfort zone is illusionary. Being Asian myself, I'm wondering why so many asians think that way. I'm hanging with people who have the same hobbies or the same interests, ethnicity doesn't matter.
Fortunately, the younger generation are more open, mixed marriages help a lot.
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Well, it depends on how much you were raised in whatever ethnic community.

I was rasied in Appalachia, so not alot of Koreans. My parents didn't associate with other Koreans, and when we did move into an place with a decent sized Korean community, nothing really changed.

As I got older and into college and beyond, I sought out the Korean community, but still didn't like it much and right now, with the exception of purposes of marriage/food don't need to spend anytime interacting with them.

The best thing about moving to Chicago was not knowing anyone here, and them not knowing about me or my family.

On the other hand, if you are raised in the community, spend weekends at Korean School or a Korean church, summers at Korean camp, with pretty much all the same kids. You're going to feel more at ease with that group of kids.
 
Resentment agaionst success. Good fun. I remember reading articles about how their is some resentment against Africans in the US because they are seen as kicking ass and they are taking spots for African American students. Also that African students are less likely to drop out of secondery school, more likely to go to univeristy and more likely to pursue postgrad.
 
Bleepey said:
Resentment agaionst success. Good fun. I remember reading articles about how their is some resentment against Africans in the US because they are seen as kicking ass and they are taking spots for African American students. Also that African students are less likely to drop out of secondery school, more likely to go to univeristy and more likely to pursue postgrad.
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This reminds me of the "Obama isn't really black" part of the African-American community.
 
Bleepey said:
Resentment agaionst success. Good fun. I remember reading articles about how their is some resentment against Africans in the US because they are seen as kicking ass and they are taking spots for African American students. Also that African students are less likely to drop out of secondery school, more likely to go to univeristy and more likely to pursue postgrad.
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Real Africans know what it's like to live in a shitty country so they care about getting educated. They also havent been raised in a culture that values sports and rap over education. The term African American is stupid because those people have no ties to African heritage and usually don't know anything about Africa.
 
ChiTownBuffalo said:
This reminds me of the "Obama isn't really black" part of the African-American community.
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That's better than the drop in the bucket attitude where anyone even slightly black is expected to identify as black even if they're more something else. Mixed kids shouldn't only identify with one of their ethnicities especially not if it's the one they belong to least by blood.
 
Nerevar said:
I was hoping for responses like this. The reality is that those who don't go out, drink, party, and have a good time are the obnoxious self-righteous ones. I'm an older dude who hasn't even watched the Jersey Shore because frankly I don't have time nor am I even remotely interested, but when I was in college and my early 20s I knew how to cut loose. Being young is all about pushing your boundaries and exploring the world outside your comfort zone. Sitting in your dorm room and playing warcraft with a bunch of other dudes doesn't achieve that. If that's what you want out of life that's fine, but don't act all self-righteous when people who enjoy going out, drinking, and being social talk about it.
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But it's the people who drink and party all the the time that look down on the people who don't. Theyre the self righteous ones because they claim that their social lives are better. Those who don't drink and party aren't self righteous just because they don't want to be pressured into doing something they dont want to do. Nobody pressures students to NOT drink and party. Nobody looks down upon students who party. Almost Everyone looks down on people whose social activities involve board games or video games, even if theyre making new friends from it and networking with new people.
 
Protocol Snow said:
Shoutout to Arcadia High.
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LOL, Arcadia High is down the street from where I work. Bunch of parachute kids over there as well... and in San Marino.

Shogmaster said:
You know what they call UCLA here in LA? University of Caucasians Lost among Asians. :lol
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UC Irvine (UCI) - University of Chinese Immigrants or University of Civics and Integras. :lol
 
Protocol Snow said:
I beg to differ. I'm sure my editing skills are comparable to yours. My brother also founded an editing company as a side job.
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Considering I'm a professional editor for a legal media company in NYC, a secondary school tutor for 826NYC, and a part-time English Prof, I'd say we're even. I'd even say founding a business in something has little to do with actually being good at what the business does--that's what you hire others for.
 
AlphaTwo00 said:
:lol Freudian slip much?
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What? A lot of table top games are quite social. 6-player settlers of Catan is a blast. A lot of the game is negotiating deals with waiting time spent in casual conversation.
 
Zzoram said:
But it's the people who drink and party all the the time that look down on the people who don't. Theyre the self righteous ones because they claim that their social lives are better. Those who don't drink and party aren't self righteous just because they don't want to be pressured into doing something they dont want to do. Nobody pressures students to NOT drink and party. Nobody looks down upon students who party. Almost Everyone looks down on people whose social activities involve board games or video games, even if theyre making new friends from it and networking with new people.
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as a person with a weak stomach who cannot drink too much; I hate people who pressure me to drink more than I am capable of.

I agree with you; today's society reversed what is normal and deems everyone who does not drink much to be abnormal which is quite anoying especially since some of us (white) people do not like to drink excessively

I hate the feeling of getting bloating, reflux and sick in my gut fuck all the pressure retards out there
 
all through school (elementary, middle, high, college), I lived in places where there were barely any Asians, so I had all kind of friends that weren't Asian

Living in Atlanta now, I've seen more Asians here in my 4 months that I've been here than most of the 8 years I've lived down in South Florida :lol
 
Lard said:
They're definitely right that the groups don't mingle.

Tons of Chinese students here and they don't talk to anybody but people in their own group.
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This times million.

In my university (Lonodn South Bank) there are tons of Chinese student but don't socialise with other peoples other than themself.

I really want a chinese friend, but they are impossible to get as friends.
 
faridmon said:
This times million.

In my university (Lonodn South Bank) there are tons of Chinese student but don't socialise with other peoples other than themself.

I really want a chinese friend, but they are impossible to get as friends.
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Just talk to them. Seriously, do people not remember how friends are made? You talk to people until you find someone with common interests. There are enough Chinese students around that you're sure to find one like you eventually.
 
Bleepey said:
Resentment agaionst success. Good fun. I remember reading articles about how their is some resentment against Africans in the US because they are seen as kicking ass and they are taking spots for African American students. Also that African students are less likely to drop out of secondery school, more likely to go to univeristy and more likely to pursue postgrad.
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So all blacks are the same is what you're saying, right? Social context matters little? Research has even shown that normed for ALL FACTORS, African and Caribbean blacks are typically selected over "african-americans" at the most prestigious schools.
 
Zzoram said:
Just talk to them. Seriously, do people not remember how friends are made? You talk to people until you find someone with common interests. There are enough Chinese students around that you're sure to find one like you eventually.
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when they are in groups and look Apprehensive of others, its sort of hard to do that. plus, I don't have the required social skills to pull one t be a mate or something.

Crap, its my social skils that gets in the way again :(
 
faridmon said:
when they are in groups and look Apprehensive of others, its sort of hard to do that. plus, I don't have the required social skills to pull one t be a mate or something.

Crap, its my social skils that gets in the way again :(
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Hmm, in grad school I felt most comfortable around asian international students. They definitely grouped together, just like it's usually easier for me to feel more comfortable around other blacks initially, but they were definitely friendly and open to other races....
 
All this hackneyed stereptyping of Asians has lead to one conclusion.

The world needs the K-Town reality show more than ever.
 
donkey show said:
LOL, Arcadia High is down the street from where I work. Bunch of parachute kids over there as well... and in San Marino.



UC Irvine (UCI) - University of Chinese Immigrants or University of Civics and Integras. :lol
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:lol :lol Arcadia.
 
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