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Too Human Stand and be counted
- Thread starter Denis Dyack
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Francias Castiglione
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bishoptl said:
Oh I'm sure they would make an exception for a "traitor"
iconoclast
Member
GarthVaderUK said:
I'd say anything with a 75+ is considered getting "favorable reviews", which is what the OP was about.
I think we will have to wait and see how the single analog combat pans out, if it works well then high scores are more likely, I think. The drop from 4 to 2 player co op will certainly hurt the game in several review outlets I would imagine.
Well, I have a lot of respect for Denis for making this thread.
I am in the for section, the art direction is horrid and the gimped co-op is really lame, but I could see the game being great. It all depends on how the game feels, I've heard people really love it, and others really hate it. I have every hope it'll be a great game, but there are causes for concern.
As for being their best game, I'd be surprised.
Good luck Denis, hope you and the team see sales that warrant the massive development time.
P.S. One console future, no, just no.
I am in the for section, the art direction is horrid and the gimped co-op is really lame, but I could see the game being great. It all depends on how the game feels, I've heard people really love it, and others really hate it. I have every hope it'll be a great game, but there are causes for concern.
As for being their best game, I'd be surprised.
Good luck Denis, hope you and the team see sales that warrant the massive development time.
P.S. One console future, no, just no.
His point is that it really shouldn't matter with either. I think its absolutely brilliant when developers speak their minds. Whether Jaffe rants or Dyack hypes -- it adds a level of credibility to these games... it helps assure that these games are indeed being developed by gamers for god sakes! Would you really prefer hearing another marketing shill check off some talking points?ShockingAlberto said:
They are game developers, after all.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Since when did Gamerankings become an accurate metric of quality?
Have we forgotten GTA4 already? Or is it still the best game ever?
Have we forgotten GTA4 already? Or is it still the best game ever?
EviLore said:
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MomoPufflet
Member
Against. If I lose though, I want the tag "Dennis Dyack's filthy gutter bitch."
Grampa Simpson
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If there's a one console future, it will be Nintendo's one console future.stuburns said:
dasupremeone
Member
I am confused, I only own a PS3 and a Wii, but no fear, I can be swayed by an Elite 360....
"Moderate or NA"
"Moderate or NA"
DCharlie
And even i am moderately surprised
isn't it somewhat ironic that we are using the score from a game that a load of GAFfers think is rubbish and didn't deserve the reviews it got as the benchmark for Too Human's success?
As this is SPECIFIC to GAF, why not do this :
For every gaffer that plays the game, they produce their gamertag and a simple 1-10 ranking.
If the game scores below a certain decided bench mark (let's give Eternal Darkness a score (7? 8?)) then Denis loses, scores above, Evil loses.
the 90% score for ED is way too high, i think we all know that, so i think that's a pretty safe bet and i think Evilore knows that too.
This resolution actually involves gaf's opinion, and not external reviewers - plus it actually makes things interesting as there is no way to tell which way it'll go. The Evilore bet is pretty much a sure win for Evil, which is boring!
Also, as part of the bet between Denis and Evil, there should be a ban bet part!
BudokaiMR2
Member
Alcander said:
Hey all I see is a first post that has absolutely no reasons why his game is so damn good, and instead we have 'internetz serious bizness' level of dialogue.
Don't really see how this adds credibility. As another friend said to me, he would have been impressed if Dyack took the time to talk to us about the demo including details on what we should expect inside.
IcebergSlim3000
Member
Your lack of a 4 player mode(the only thing that I was really interested in) has already decided my vote. Soul Calibur 4 comes out a week before Too Human, guess which one I'll be spending 60 bucks on.
CowboyAstronaut
Banned
ShockingAlberto said:
Good. At least you're consistent then. The question wasn't rhetorical.
Link648099
Banned
How can anyone attack this man for talking directly to the gaming community? Regardless of things that have happened in the past, I think it is awesome that he is still willing to come to NeoGAF and be heard and hear things. I don't own a 360 so I can't play your game, but I thought Eternal Darkness was awesome, and I wish you the best of luck!
inertiatic
Member
"Favorable" wouldn't exactly be 90%. It would be more around the >80 mark, or so... but hey, the charity $1000 were an awesome idea.
Francias Castiglione
Banned
Nolan. said:
:lol Deadly. No I just think we should stick to the major publications. As has been pointed out, Metacritic and Gamerankings are very often called out on being shitty measuring sticks for games.
DCharlie said:isn't it somewhat ironic that we are using the score from a game that a load of GAFfers think is rubbish and didn't deserve the reviews it got as the benchmark for Too Human's success?
As this is SPECIFIC to GAF, why not do this :
For every gaffer that plays the game, they produce their gamertag and a simple 1-10 ranking.
If the game scores below a certain decided bench mark (let's give Eternal Darkness a score (7? 8?)) then Denis loses, scores above, Evil loses.
the 90% score for ED is way too high, i think we all know that, so i think that's a pretty safe bet and i think Evilore knows that too.
This resolution actually involves gaf's opinion, and not external reviewers - plus it actually makes things interesting as there is no way to tell which way it'll go. The Evilore bet is pretty much a sure win for Evil, which is boring!
Also, as part of the bet between Denis and Evil, there should be a ban bet part!
So many people can easily low ball the game even if it's good though. Especially these ''people'' (that i'm yet to see) who will hate the game whatever the outcome. I think gamerankings is good enough especially for too human because it wil ascend easily if it's good. People love an against/ the odds/underdog tale.
Edit: Also i'd like to know if shenannigans should be included in the rule books. You know like sending nice gifts with helmets and special edition 360's...
DCharlie said:isn't it somewhat ironic that we are using the score from a game that a load of GAFfers think is rubbish and didn't deserve the reviews it got as the benchmark for Too Human's success?
As this is SPECIFIC to GAF, why not do this :
For every gaffer that plays the game, they produce their gamertag and a simple 1-10 ranking.
If the game scores below a certain decided bench mark (let's give Eternal Darkness a score (7? 8?)) then Denis loses, scores above, Evil loses.
the 90% score for ED is way too high, i think we all know that, so i think that's a pretty safe bet and i think Evilore knows that too.
This resolution actually involves gaf's opinion, and not external reviewers.
Also, as part of the bet between Denis and Evil, there should be a ban bet part!
Makes sense (GAF challenged not external reviewers), but a simple way to this
1. Gather all the FORs then all the AGAINSTs
2. Randomly pick 10(or however many more after gaf decides) from each pile. (EDIT: Thay could even make a mini viral Compo: If it's k with Dyack he could give out games to these guys so even the Against people can play)
3. After 2 weeks the 20 people post there GTag (to show game is beaten in achievement)
4. They give it: Thumbs up or down
5. If 80% (or whatever percent gaf decides) say thumbs up.
Winner decided
firehawk12
Subete no aware
If you're going to try to bring in numbers, why not use those Major Nelson Xbox Live activity reports.
If it's good, people will be playing it. If people are playing it, it will make the top 10.
If it's good, people will be playing it. If people are playing it, it will make the top 10.
dasupremeone
Member
Like that would ever work.besiktas1 said:
Nolan. said:
One thing about gamerankings is that it changes from to day and the list continues to grow. I think if you just take 10 well respected sites/ publications then you can get a simple credible aggragate score.
IGN, 1up, Gametrailers, Gamespot, Game Informer, Edge, Eurogamer..... It will all even out with Silicon Knights ability to buy the Gamespot score and the harshness of Edge.
Link648099
Banned
Now that I think about it, if its the best game he has created, I would buy this if I had a 360! Eternal Darkness was SO worth $50.
cicero
Member
Now THIS is a gaming website standard I can get behind!! Betting challenges between the operator of the website and the presidents/developers of game companies on the potential success of their titles! I can only hope that this whips up enough controversy to cause a big enough spike in advertising revenue so that you are covered either way!!!EviLore said:
This is going to be a new standard, isn't it?
Scottlarock
Banned
FOR
I didnot read this whole thread yet, can I get a recap of the last 15 pages?
I didnot read this whole thread yet, can I get a recap of the last 15 pages?
Death_Born
Banned
'ONE THOOOUSAND DOLLARS!'
Teknopathetic
Member
"The best rpgs that have come out for the pc only in the last few years.
Gamerankings
The Witcher 81%
NwN 2: Mask of Betrayer 82%
so...if Too Human gets similar averages for the PC.. I will be FOR."
PC gaming sites are a bit less retarded with review scores than their console brethren. Probably because they don't have that whole console advocacy thing.
Gamerankings
The Witcher 81%
NwN 2: Mask of Betrayer 82%
so...if Too Human gets similar averages for the PC.. I will be FOR."
PC gaming sites are a bit less retarded with review scores than their console brethren. Probably because they don't have that whole console advocacy thing.
spookyfish
Member
If truly you, Mr. Dyack -- um, wow.
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Oh, what the hell. I'm in.
For. (A thank-you for Eternal Darkness.)
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Oh, what the hell. I'm in.
For. (A thank-you for Eternal Darkness.)
Fenderputty
Banned
EviLore said:
I know some of the reviewers have been a little hot and heavy on the 10 button lately, but don't you think 90% AAA might be a little much? I think an 85% meta score would still be much higher then many of the doubters are predicting.
Why would you make the score so high for the bet? Unless you honestly feel like the game has a good chance to be a AA game. In which case I don't really understand the hate in the first place.
GarthVaderUK
Banned
Fenderputty said:
Exactly, well said Junior.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
alistairw said:
I know... confusing, isn't it?
Teknopathetic
Member
I find some of the suggestions for the metacritic/gameranking scores humorous. 75% is favorable? Really? Only bargain bin Cabela's Big Game Hunter type shit gets scored below 70%. Dyack made a thread calling out several posters and definitely *sounds* quite confident in his game. The terms of the bet should reflect that confidence. A 75% average is NOT confidence.
GarthVaderUK
Banned
Teknopathetic said:
What % would you say is favourable?
Teriyaki said:
That's a great suggestion.
DCharlie
And even i am moderately surprised
yeah, the bet is way too safe on Evilores side to be of any interest.
There is no way it's going to score that and we all know that Gamesrankings and reviews aren't that reliable.
Hell, look at Uncharted. If you took a "Uncharted to beat Eternal Darkness" bet, you'd have lost.
As i said, this is conveniently ignoring the general _GAF OPINION_ that Eternal Darkness wasn't very good, so yeah - this bet is pointless and completely throws out the GAF'ness of it all.
The flip side of course is the against crowd seems pretty convinced this is going to be horrid, so quite why a 90% average (i.e. triple AAA system selling territory) rating is the bar for "success" is baffling.
There is no way it's going to score that and we all know that Gamesrankings and reviews aren't that reliable.
Hell, look at Uncharted. If you took a "Uncharted to beat Eternal Darkness" bet, you'd have lost.
As i said, this is conveniently ignoring the general _GAF OPINION_ that Eternal Darkness wasn't very good, so yeah - this bet is pointless and completely throws out the GAF'ness of it all.
The flip side of course is the against crowd seems pretty convinced this is going to be horrid, so quite why a 90% average (i.e. triple AAA system selling territory) rating is the bar for "success" is baffling.
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