I think that's why they only put vestigial unlocks in Smash 4 though, no real story mode so why bother? You can unlock every character in both versions in less than an hour, and all stages in less than 2.
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Toonami |Feb16| Dimension Dub-For-You
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I think that's why they only put vestigial unlocks in Smash 4 though, no real story mode so why bother? You can unlock every character in both versions in less than an hour, and all stages in less than 2.
MetroidPrimeRib
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Unlocking stuff is fine in Smash because Smash has a massive wealth of unlockables but I don't want to unlock shit in fighting games anymore and neither do any tournament organizers.
Then give TOs some special version with all characters unlocked.
I was so disappointed and overwhelmed at the same time that SFIV 3D had all the characters unlocked from minute 1. Killed a lot of the incentive for me to play.
Meanwhile I 100%ed DoAD (barring the figures) because playing as genra was a legitimate motivation (and KT still forgets he exists anymore).
I was so disappointed and overwhelmed at the same time that SFIV 3D had all the characters unlocked from minute 1. Killed a lot of the incentive for me to play.
Meanwhile I 100%ed DoAD (barring the figures) because playing as genra was a legitimate motivation (and KT still forgets he exists anymore).
Doctor Decimate
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I would not call Subspace Emissary "good"
Eh. The SSE was a grind fest in itself and was kinda boring as a Kirby clone.
Imperial Bishop
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I'm in no rush to get SFV this week.
Or this month.
It was enjoyable, and still lightyears ahead of all the single player content in both versions of smash 4 combined.
Ewww, Dota. Fuck that.
In game currency is fine. Look no further than Blazblue or even Guilty Gear Xrd, though most of it is just for asthetics and other customization stuff.
Better than the alternative of paying for some DLC characters.
But that's horridly unbalanced, from a product design standpoint. ANY product wants you to be "forced" to experience it all, to make a true impression on it. Books want you to read them all, movies don't want you to skip to the end, etc.
Fighters use of unlockables and progress markers try to ensured that you'd play and experience all of the cast and game, before you really judge it.
It is stupid when you start unlocking the same guy over and over though. "Look, the secret character is.... AKUMA!!!!" wow. If the designers can't make something worth me working for, then don't include the mechanic for that content. At the very least, make him an "easy" unlock, and not some big trophy... because he's definitely not that anymore, after all these years.
Even in the age of paid DLC characters, the idea proposition is still the same: put more dedication towards my product, and I reward you with something new.
I used to love it a lot, and it's why I got so close to the characters. Rather than removing unlocks from modern games, I just think they need to embrace alt methods for unlock. A purchasable key, unlock from playing VS, unlock from playing single, unlock from playing a round with each characters, etc, etc.
Consumers and producers could have their cake and eat it too, that way.
HEY.
MEWTWO TAKING 20 HOURS OF VS. MATCHES WAS NOT "VERY WELL". That took me MONTHS to do. I remember doing a 90 minute match because I was finally close to getting him.
& no, I didn't have extra people or controllers to make it go by faster. I had to do it all by myself.
MEWTWO TAKING 20 HOURS OF VS. MATCHES WAS NOT "VERY WELL". That took me MONTHS to do. I remember doing a 90 minute match because I was finally close to getting him.
& no, I didn't have extra people or controllers to make it go by faster. I had to do it all by myself.
MetroidPrimeRib
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imo, more games would be better if they were Mega Man
Hellwarden
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But the point of the game is to complete the challenges presented to you. Why in the world would I buy the game to skip to right near the end.
I mean, mission select makes perfect sense after beating them, but right at the beginning feels like "oh, it's all already unlocked, what's the point now." It's the same reason why I dislike those "unlock everything for $5" "DLC".
Part of unlocking stuff is the satisfaction that you did it yourself & it's your reward for doing something. Yeah, I hated having to spend all that time getting Mewtwo in Melee, but it made me so happy when I finally unlocked him. Now granted, for tournaments & such, I can see why you want everything unlocked quickly.
*old man rant* BACK IN MY DAY, WE HAD TO EARN OUR CONTENT BY ACTUALLY PLAYING THE GAME.
I mean, mission select makes perfect sense after beating them, but right at the beginning feels like "oh, it's all already unlocked, what's the point now." It's the same reason why I dislike those "unlock everything for $5" "DLC".
Part of unlocking stuff is the satisfaction that you did it yourself & it's your reward for doing something. Yeah, I hated having to spend all that time getting Mewtwo in Melee, but it made me so happy when I finally unlocked him. Now granted, for tournaments & such, I can see why you want everything unlocked quickly.
*old man rant* BACK IN MY DAY, WE HAD TO EARN OUR CONTENT BY ACTUALLY PLAYING THE GAME.
Imperial Bishop
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That's an easy way to get confused. lol
What's the point of owning those things if you're not going to go through the whole product?
While I agree with you, I think Seda's point is that a book or DVD doesn't force you to start at the beginning. You aren't having to "unlock" the extra pages or scenes by reading/watching the ones beforehand.
90% of DBZ's problems would have been fixed if the characters used their brains.
Hellwarden
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Krillin flat out says that in the last movie.
He's talking specifically about Goku and Vegeta, but still.
Yes. Yes, he is.
Like, Luffy is dumb but he usually steps up when it's actually time to get serious.
Goku is doing shit like wasting time so Vegeta gets his chance to fight Buu,
Fucking... what?
Goku is doing shit like wasting time so Vegeta gets his chance to fight Buu,
after the earth has been destroyed and billions of people have been killed..
Fucking... what?
Imperial Bishop
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Still seems like an odd comparison if you're talking about single player campaigns.
Like Mighty Number 9!
Coming in 2017.
Our hero.
Mega Man's inverse difficulty curve is really dumb. I'd rather they not.
Imperial Bishop
Banned
Burn, Inafune, burn~...
Burn into Red Ash?
I don't really care about sp in fighting games
I get online and I fight pretty much immediately.
When smash 3ds and wii u came out, the first thing I did in both was hit up for glory and played so long that I ended up unlocking every character, so there was no point in just not having them unlocked by default
Burn, Inafune, burn~...
I hope MN9 doesn't get delayed yet again.
I dunno, this is weirdd
I mean I understand the logic, but it could have spoilers.
Naah. Anyways, tangent:
This reminds me of when I was a kid playing crisis core and saying "why do I have to keep a seperate save to access the sephiroth fight again without replaying the game?", and then I remember JRPGs should generally have a chapter select as an option of sorts?
I rarely unlock the Final Story characters in BlazBlue games, because I don't really care for Aksys writing, and they're exhaustive and boring at times. I appreciate they give a DLC option to get the character, but... I spend my time in VS. Why, after playing 15 hours of VS, do I STILL not have 1 final character?
Sure, you'd still be able to cheat that system (make the game stay on for 15 hours straight or something? VS CPU All night?), but eesh.
People know the value of CoD in MP, though. It's one of those things that'll make money no matter what they do. Commercially smaller genres generally can't afford to do such things on a first release. Notice how much fighters WILL go to "all unlocked from start" in later iterations.
I find it interesting how Rivals of Aether has it's 2 Unlock characters available as normal people while in "Early Access", but plans to lock them again once the game is out. There's going to be hundreds of hours of gameplay on Youtube with them by then, and the Early players would have played them for MONTHS. It must really be used as a tool to encourage people to go into the story and stuff they're working on now. Though I think they said they may have codes, too.
The really would! Megaman's the original sandbox, as far as I'm concerned. And I LOVED tackling things in different orders, or finding weakness, especially when they visually affected things.
My brother and I always wonder why MMX's gimmick of previous stages completion transforming later ones, isn't used more. Beating an Ice stage frosting over the flame in the fire stage, or destroying the factory that produced a certain time of enemy, removing them from spawn in another place... it's all just so cool, and I not only appreciate it for that, but also because of how much art must go into remaking stages with updated designs for varied mutations.
To me, that's a cooler "story" element than a story mode I might play through once, and never play again, y'know?
Young whippersnappers don't understand PLAYING! They gots an unlock chest or some doohickey, and they get it all right when they start! I used to play games for MONTHS before I saw them all! It used to take me weeks to beat a stage, and you know what? WE LIKED IT!
I honestly do feel kinda bad for how disposable games feel now-a-days. I remember the times when having Mario Paint could keep me entertained for weeks on end, or one RPG would cover summer vacation, basically. Now, it feels like similar products only really are "fresh" for a few hours, and then they get cycled into the log of daily-plays, F2Ps, gaming-on-occasions, etc, etc.
It always kinda saddens me the consumers don't often care about what the people who created something might want. "I bought it, let me do as I please!"... sure, but someone who makes something doesn't want you to just take a look and dismiss it.
I mean, that's ok personally. But if you want the genre to continue to be played, having something in there for new people who play (and don't know the characters, lore, or who they want to main) is very useful. Even for seasoned pros, it's good to go through each character, and see how they move, how they fight, etc.
The "for glory" example is a nice one; it worked along with what you did, and anyone who hits a mode for that long is still getting that "experience the game" experience.
Well done unlocks are basically like covers to maggazines, or leaking a small part of a script to a movie. It's a tease, that generally is
I think he's arguing is that it gives players the drive to try out all characters as opposed to in SF where everyone just plays Ken because they dont know the game at all.
I agree somewhat, but it really just should be a unlock code for TO and people who dont want to deal with that shit
I agree somewhat, but it really just should be a unlock code for TO and people who dont want to deal with that shit
I just learned that yesterday, Funimation got the rights to One Piece Season 8, which covers
. Meaning Toonami has enough One Piece to last until Episode 516 (when it's dubbed of course)
Marineford and the episodes that follow it leading into the timeskip
You can, sure, but people have short attention spans, and make decisions swiftly. Incentivizing them to check everything out heightens the chance they'll experience everything, before making a decision.
Products are very rarely made for advanced users only. They're made for the simplest player, and in a way that'll attempt to push them through everything the creators took the time to make.
DOA 5 has a touney mode that unlocks everything earnable in that mode... but disables Achievements / Trophies. So you still have to do it for the "real" game, but it's great for those who really don't care about all that stuff. Always thought it was a good compromise.
unknownstranger
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Nice. Biggest issue I'll have watching the next arc on Toonami is
twice where the war gets put on hold to give every character half an episode to themselves. Binging through it wasn't bad but I can see people losing interest while the main battle goes away for a month.
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