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Toonami |Jan14| See you, Space Cowboy. Hello, Space Dandy

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Aww. That fucking sucks, bass.

Yeah :/ Felt like shit my family is big into music and we always support each other at concerts. I make sure to get concert days/nights off of work. Our plan had been to eat dinner early at a nice restaurant when the concert ended but that fell apart when my car crapped out.
 

SAB CA

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hence the common complaint of pacing issues with SAO. i don't see how any of this is supposed to change what i said. it doesn't become less bad just because the show does it often.

I'm not trying to change what you said, just go beyond the one view to a wider perspective. One of the most interesting aspects of watching anime to me is to observe a show from a different view; what would I have through about the same show as a teen, an adult, a Japanese native, or an American?

Atop of that, views also change and grow when placed against later revelations in the story. Does Yui's introduction still seem as heavy-handed, when compared to what she's become? Do the actions of that one episode really poison how we think of her going forward, or did the ends justify the means?

why does the fact that some people like it excuse anything?

Same as stated above. A love story that fails at the Sundance film festival might be a movie of the year for the audience of Nick's Teen Choice Awards. What's pitch-perfect for some is gratuitous for others.

SAO doesn't seem to come off nearly as bad to it's intended audience and mindshare. If anything, it's a pretty quality show to them, it seems. It's a nice show to remind one of the divergent taste between anime fans of different cultures, that's for sure.

This where Log Horizon clearly outclasses SAO, for me. It doesn't alienate by pushing trends and mannerisms that are lacking in taste to foreigners. It's "Japanese" enough to let you know you're watching anime, but they keep most of their ideas universally relatable.
 
Yeah :/ Felt like shit my family is big into music and we always support each other at concerts. I make sure to get concert days/nights off of work. Our plan had been to eat dinner early at a nice restaurant when the concert ended but that fell apart when my car crapped out.

There's always next time.
 

Jintor

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Atop of that, views also change and grow when placed against later revelations in the story. Does Yui's introduction still seem as heavy-handed, when compared to what she's become? Do the actions of that one episode really poison how we think of her going forward, or did the ends justify the means?

yes

if it feels heavy-handed in the moment, it feels heavy-handed in the moment. You can't retroactively fix how I felt about it when I first watched it. You can perhaps justify it, but the initial introduction will always be a bit stumbly.

Although to be honest I thought SAO introduced Yui in a perfectly acceptable manner, over a number of episodes (although it then got creepy cos Asuna was creepin'). They just... developed her weirdly.
 
I think he said porn

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SAB CA

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imho before you get into the politics of whether or not an adopted child can call their teenage parents mommy and daddy, SAO should deal with whether or not an AI is effectively a human being within the constraints of its own systems or not.

I felt like they did SAO's brand of that with the story of why Yui was cut from the game, came back, and then was under target for deletion. It forced a part of the game to be on an equal level with the players, and then gave it the same basic fear of death.

Reminds me of making friends in an MMO; I don't really care about your sex or preferences IRL half the time. The "reality" of the game is all I'm going to think or talk about, because getting into the nitty gritty of things just adds in needless complication.

It basically already said 'yes' by implication, but it'd have been nice to address it. (Of course, SAO addressing anything of its weird shit it brings up by implication would be nice)

This is another thing Log Horizon plays well with, btw. I feel the show is pretty aware of the audiences expectations, and sees no rush to tell you things, letting you work out your own theories. The main cast also nudges you in a direction to support your thoughts, so nothing feels forgotten, simply like it's on the backburner.

By the time you get to see if what you expected is true, you and the cast are both figuring out how to deal with the reality of the situation. Most varieties of viewer should have a character that voices their thoughts within the show, and that, in turn makes it pretty easy to fall for even the side characters.

To me, this is the RIGHT way to use a large cast in a show; they all exist to allow different viewers to experience the tale from personally familiar perspectives. It's not nearly as alienating as watching a show as an adult, with the only feedback being childish rhetoric.
 

Seda

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Tonight's FMA is basically the climax, or at least the start of it. I know I use this word too much, but it's a very memorable episode.
 
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