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Toonami |JulAug17| Most Definitely the Work of an Enemy Stand

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Holy fuck. Netflix's Death Note is a failure as an adaptation and only remotely enjoyable if you look at it as its own thing.

I had to force myself to finish it.

Only Ryuk (no surprise) and L (big surprise) were mostly fun to watch.
 

BatDan

Bane? Get them on board, I'll call it in.
Holy fuck. Netflix's Death Note is a failure as an adaptation and only remotely enjoyable if you look at it as its own thing.

I had to force myself to finish it.

Only Ryuk (no surprise) and L (big surprise) were mostly fun to watch.

At times it was unrecognizable. I swear you could take
the chase scene
, remove the context, and nobody would guess it's meant to be Death Note.

L was fine at first, but after Watari died he somehow became a different character. Especially the part where he was tempted to write in the page. NIiiice sequel baiting by the way

Light acts like a moron through the whole movie, and then suddenly "I'm fucking Xanatos!" None of the impact of the chess maneuvers of the manga/anime. No "I won, exactly as planned" moments.

I look forward to Geoff Thew's review.

I'm still waiting to see what live action One Piece ends up looking like

Most likely a giant pile of garbage.

I have yet to see live-action stretching that looked good. Somehow there's four Fantastic Four movies and Reed looked terrible in all of them. Granted the first one was made on a budget of string but the ones that actually had (attempted) effort... yeesh.
 
I fully understand wanting to watch a series in its language of origin, but for people to act like dubs are still bad like it's from the '80s or early '90s makes no sense (unless it's Sentai).

If anything, I feel like you're missing out if you only accept one or the other. Jojo made for a really fun rewatch thanks to its dub, even if the sub still has its moments.

I'm actually preferring the Hunter x Hunter 2011 dub as it stands - if only for the fact that it has a better translation than the official CR subtitles, who I don't blame since they have to translate things on a tight schedule.
And a good portion of the voices (barring Gon & Killua, who are still doing a fine job) match up better with how I imagined them to sound in the manga
 

HStallion

Now what's the next step in your master plan?
Most likely a giant pile of garbage.

I have yet to see live-action stretching that looked good. Somehow there's four Fantastic Four movies and Reed looked terrible in all of them. Granted the first one was made on a budget of string but the ones that actually had (attempted) effort... yeesh.

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L was fine at first, but after Watari died he somehow became a different character. Especially the part where he was tempted to write in the page. NIiiice sequel baiting by the way
They did an okay job establishing that L and Watari have a very close relationship and heavily implied that he was his caretaker.
I thought it was fine that L wanted to take a more forceful approach to getting Light, but the entire five-minute chase scene through half the damn city was ridiculous. L and Light apparently have the stamina equivalent to an Olympic athlete. -__-
And they gave us that lipid ending for the possibility of a sequel? Ffs.

Light acts like a moron through the whole movie, and then suddenly "I'm fucking Xanatos!" None of the impact of the chess maneuvers of the manga/anime. No "I won, exactly as planned" moments.

If they didn't spend most of the movie displaying Light as an easily manipulative smartass, that "twist" ending would have been less jarring. It's like halfway through the script they realized that Light is supposed to be a strategic genius on par with L and shoe-horned it in at the last minute.
 
I was watching a random jojoke and people were complaining about how it was dubbed, even though Diskin has the best "peeving on your coach" voice ever.

EDIT: I just had a thought that Diskin in that clip gives me a Bayonetta impression, somehow.

While watching the Japanese version of Battle Tendency (while no one else can quite pull it off like Tomokazu Sugita), I and some others thought Joseph's voice was a bit too deep >_>
And Ben Diskin was probably like the only guy they were able to hire who could pull off a believable English accent.
Plus - Diskin does already voice a younger version of an Epcar character, so it checks out in a way

Dubbing JoJo into English is one tough job
 

HStallion

Now what's the next step in your master plan?
I am really curious how future scenes will be handled in HxH as there are some god damned emotionally draining scenes. I won't say anymore but the voice actors are gonna have to bring their A game to do some later scenes Justice
 

Moaradin

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HxH has some of the best performances I've seen in anime later on. While I have no doubt that the English VAs could pull it off, they still have a lot to live up to.
 

BatDan

Bane? Get them on board, I'll call it in.
While watching the Japanese version of Battle Tendency (while no one else can quite pull it off like Tomokazu Sugita), I and some others thought Joseph's voice was a bit too deep >_>
And Ben Diskin was probably like the only guy they were able to hire who could pull off a believable English accent.
Plus - Diskin does already voice a younger version of an Epcar character, so it checks out in a way

Dubbing JoJo into English is one tough job

Josuke's not really going to have a catchphrase when DiU gets dubbed.

Not to mention all the name changes.
 

Zonic

Gives all the fucks
Josuke's not really going to have a catchphrase when DiU gets dubbed.

Not to mention all the name changes.
Yup, Part 4 is when the name changes are going to happen much more often. I think we've still got a few more weeks until the first major name change for Part 3, & most of them aren't really until the 2nd half.

But yeah, aside from "WHAT THE HELL DID YOU SAY ABOUT MY HAIR" (which is only said a few times in the entire season), there's no equivalent of "yare yare daze" to deal with, not to mention it's less episodes so hopefully it'll come out a bit faster.
 
Dubbing JoJo isn't that tough. It's just that there was at least 20 years of no official English dub outside of the SDC OVA and a majority of the fan base is accustomed to hearing it in one language.
 

Zonic

Gives all the fucks
Dubbing JoJo isn't that tough. It's just that there was at least 20 years of no official English dub outside of the SDC OVA and a majority of the fan base is accustomed to hearing it in one language.
I think part of the issue was that for the longest time, Araki was not pleased with the name changes that Viz/Capcom made for the Part 3 manga & video game, so when All-Star Battle & the rise of streaming came about, Namco went straight to Araki to make sure he was okay with any name changes to ensure they keep in tone to their original reference & what not, which then lead to Crunchyroll using most of those names for consistency.

But now that we have "official" names for the US versions, dubbing shouldn't be that much of an issue now, it's just waiting for Viz to actually do it since it seems they wanted Part 3 to be a dub premiere for Toonami & probably won't release it on Blu-Ray until sometime next year.
 
HxH has some of the best performances I've seen in anime later on. While I have no doubt that the English VAs could pull it off, they still have a lot to live up to.
Erica Mendes has to put in some work and they have to pick the right VA's for some very specific characters.
I am really curious how future scenes will be handled in HxH as there are some god damned emotionally draining scenes. I won't say anymore but the voice actors are gonna have to bring their A game to do some later scenes Justice
I legit took a break from HxH after a certain ep. It's that emotionally taxing.
 

cntr

Banned
Josuke's not really going to have a catchphrase when DiU gets dubbed.
Eh, I don't think that's an issue. You don't have to make it Engrish to make it work.

Look at Epcar's Joseph -- those OH MY GODs and OH NOs might be not be in Engrish, but they're plenty noticable!
 

cntr

Banned
I think part of the issue was that for the longest time, Araki was not pleased with the name changes that Viz/Capcom made for the Part 3 manga & video game, so when All-Star Battle & the rise of streaming came about, Namco went straight to Araki to make sure he was okay with any name changes to ensure they keep in tone to their original reference & what not, which then lead to Crunchyroll using most of those names for consistency.
Another issue is that they wanted to release the Part 5 video game, but Prince's lawyers got upset over
Gold Experience.

And there's the general issue of there being no popular Jojo anime until David Pro somehow managed to pull it off. The OVAs had a mixed reaction in Japan, and the Phantom Blood movie had such a bad reaction that no full copy of it exists.
 

BatDan

Bane? Get them on board, I'll call it in.
Another issue is that they wanted to release the Part 5 video game, but Prince's lawyers got upset over
Gold Experience.

And there's the general issue of there being no popular Jojo anime until David Pro somehow managed to pull it off. The OVAs had a mixed reaction in Japan, and the Phantom Blood movie had such a bad reaction that no full copy of it exists.

I wonder how much of an issue it is now that Prince has passed on. Will his estate be as infamously stingy as him? I do have hopes that
King Crimson
will remain untouched.

Speaking of the Phantom Blood movie, here's all the known existing material from it.

Including the movie's trailer, 16 minutes of unfinished animation with no voices and custom sounds provided by a college student as part of a project, and some stills. Including the Dio & Erina kiss, which looks really rape-y here (moreso than the manga and 2012 anime)
It's honestly astonishing how a movie this recent (only ten years old now) is now lost. No camcorder recordings or anything.
 

Chase17

Member
After the Death Note movie I think we are done with western live action manga films for a bit. Will have to wait a couple years to for the Naruto one.

Japan has a bunch of notable ones coming. Would actually watch the live action full metal alchemist if it ever gets released over here lol.
Death Note is only the second most misogynistic work by the author!

Can Platinum End end up ranking. They were doing an ok job with the main female character in that until she got regulated to stand around in the cat suit status.

Though I guess the angels are good enough characters in that to prevent it form getting to death note tier or anything.
 

cntr

Banned
Man, they just need to stop with these live action adaptations. Or like, do something that doesn't require a ludicrous budget or special effects.

...then again, all the big series pretty much do.
 

caliph95

Member
Man, they just need to stop with these live action adaptations. Or like, do something that doesn't require a ludicrous budget or special effects.

...then again, all the big series pretty much do.
Honestly Death Note didn't besides Ryuk(who is the best part) and the other shinigami You don't need much of a better and it still sucks
 

cntr

Banned
The issue with series like Death Note is that they're also too anime to really pull off. They got around it this time by Americanizing everything, but you still get ridiculous nonsense like with Kira's name. Imagine how much worse it would've been if they tried to maintain, say, the hairstyles?

You need a mundane or grounded series to pull off a live action manga adaptation, whether it's from Japan or from the US. Or a really good sense of how to adapt things, which uh, doesn't seem to be a thing.
 

TheSun

Member
The issue with series like Death Note is that they're also too anime to really pull off. They got around it this time by Americanizing everything, but you still get ridiculous nonsense like with Kira's name. Imagine how much worse it would've been if they tried to maintain, say, the hairstyles?

You need a mundane or grounded series to pull off a live action manga adaptation, whether it's from Japan or from the US. Or a really good sense of how to adapt things, which uh, doesn't seem to be a thing.

Wasn't there a Monster adaptation (with Del Toro working on it) floating around HBO that got canned.

That may have worked.
 
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