Toonami Shows Survivor
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And what are you saving, Naruto, Bakugan, MAR?
Gucci Messiah
Banned
Save bleach or Inuyasha
Dr.Palutena
Member
I guess I have decisions and bond breaking to do but I will just stick to voting for things like:
Kill Duel Masters - yadda yadda wannabe yu gi oh crap that tried too hard
Kill Bleach - it was nice until like after soul society and is now a show with too many characters and bad as fuck pacing
Save Zatch Bell - I really liked this show even if the dub was lame as lame could be , I should really see how it ends in the manga . (I feel like I did and have forgotten)
Kill Duel Masters - yadda yadda wannabe yu gi oh crap that tried too hard
Kill Bleach - it was nice until like after soul society and is now a show with too many characters and bad as fuck pacing
Save Zatch Bell - I really liked this show even if the dub was lame as lame could be , I should really see how it ends in the manga . (I feel like I did and have forgotten)
Round 3 Results
After a long battle, the Ham Ham Alliance has fallen, and taken the Omnitrix holder with them.
The two shows eliminated are:
Hamtaro in 82nd place, with 42 kills and 15 saves (Net = 27)
Now to actually look at the full list.
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
Round 3 Results
After a long battle, the Ham Ham Alliance has fallen, and taken the Omnitrix holder with them.
The two shows eliminated are:
Hamtaro in 82nd place, with 42 kills and 15 saves (Net = 27)
Curse you all.
lazybones18
Banned
Join the fight against DBZ, fox. You know you want to
Gucci Messiah
Banned
Join us and vote against DBZ, the rage tears will be worth it just like One Piece.
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
Collusion, collusion everywhere.
Doctor Decimate
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pay for what? you brought this holy judgement upon yourselves
Hey man, while this post doesn't break the rules, I may skip over it when I'm tallying the votes because it doesn't look like it contains votes.
I'm going to have to think about what to kill this time around. I know saving DBZ is priority now as it was part of the birth of Toonami itself.
We can't let them take it away so soon.
Edit:
Kill: Bleach
Kill: SD Gundam
Save: DBZ
Bleach should go down for its terrible pacing and horrendous filler arcs littering the show. SD Gundam is on the list because I couldn't get into it and felt like a bad series from the start.
Saving DBZ as outlined above. DBZ is Toonami!
We can't let them take it away so soon.
Edit:
Kill: Bleach
Kill: SD Gundam
Save: DBZ
Bleach should go down for its terrible pacing and horrendous filler arcs littering the show. SD Gundam is on the list because I couldn't get into it and felt like a bad series from the start.
Saving DBZ as outlined above. DBZ is Toonami!
Doctor Decimate
Member
weren't cats the enemy in Hamtaro?
Gucci Messiah
Banned
DBZ is shitty in comparison to Dragonball and gets by on nostalgia. It needs to be killed off now and here's why you're all wrong:
1. It's poorly paced. Half of the time you have to sit through listening to roided out clowns scream at the top of their lungs to power up. Why the hell didn't anyone just attack their opponent while they spent 3 episodes charging up? Pure stupidity. Don't even get me started on the shows tendency to have characters explain their attacks at length before unleashing them. DBZ made this stupid trend popular, therefore it needs to be held accountable.
2. It's predictable. Here's a typical arc:
- Aliens/Robot's show up to Earth and want to destroy it
- Z warriors fight back but realize they're not a match for the guy. Somebody is usually killed in dramatic fashion
- Training period
- Z warriors come back and challenge bad guy. They start winning but a bs trap card gets pulled and the villain transforms aka 'Wait until you see my TRUE power' syndrome.
- Lengthy exposition from both sides
- Hero gets his ass kicked but digs deep and ultimately prevails through the power of friendship/determination/hax saiyan hair growth
- Dragon balls are gathered to wish back dead friends
- Everything returns to normal
And then the cycle starts over again.
3. It has garbage tier animation at times. Yeah the show is old but it looks like crap and people overlook the fact that it got by on a lot of talking scenes, still shots, and recycled animation.
4. It's 291 episodes long. Are you kidding me? I bet if you took all the scenes where people were:
A. Screaming/powering up
B. Shit talking before a battle
C. Shit talking during a battle
D. Explaining their attack and why it was so awesome
You could fill 50 episodes.
5. Boring, paper thin villains. Outside of Vegeta everyone is an extremely powerful being that loves acting cruel for no logical reason. They also tend to underestimate the lead character which usually leads to their demise. Did I mention that these guys also generally posses the ability to transform multiple times so the arc can be dragged out?
6. The protagonist is a dumbass. Goku is a simple minded fool who loves to fight, how original. Remember the time he grabbed Raditz's tail but got tricked? Or how about the time he lent energy to Frieza after kicking his ass? What about the time he gave Cell a senzu bean before sending his teenage son off to face him in a battle to the death?
I could go on. Do the right thing and kill DBZ now before it becomes impossible to defeat in later rounds. Saying that it's synonymous with the old toonami isn't a good enough reason to keep it around.
1. It's poorly paced. Half of the time you have to sit through listening to roided out clowns scream at the top of their lungs to power up. Why the hell didn't anyone just attack their opponent while they spent 3 episodes charging up? Pure stupidity. Don't even get me started on the shows tendency to have characters explain their attacks at length before unleashing them. DBZ made this stupid trend popular, therefore it needs to be held accountable.
2. It's predictable. Here's a typical arc:
- Aliens/Robot's show up to Earth and want to destroy it
- Z warriors fight back but realize they're not a match for the guy. Somebody is usually killed in dramatic fashion
- Training period
- Z warriors come back and challenge bad guy. They start winning but a bs trap card gets pulled and the villain transforms aka 'Wait until you see my TRUE power' syndrome.
- Lengthy exposition from both sides
- Hero gets his ass kicked but digs deep and ultimately prevails through the power of friendship/determination/hax saiyan hair growth
- Dragon balls are gathered to wish back dead friends
- Everything returns to normal
And then the cycle starts over again.
3. It has garbage tier animation at times. Yeah the show is old but it looks like crap and people overlook the fact that it got by on a lot of talking scenes, still shots, and recycled animation.
4. It's 291 episodes long. Are you kidding me? I bet if you took all the scenes where people were:
A. Screaming/powering up
B. Shit talking before a battle
C. Shit talking during a battle
D. Explaining their attack and why it was so awesome
You could fill 50 episodes.
5. Boring, paper thin villains. Outside of Vegeta everyone is an extremely powerful being that loves acting cruel for no logical reason. They also tend to underestimate the lead character which usually leads to their demise. Did I mention that these guys also generally posses the ability to transform multiple times so the arc can be dragged out?
6. The protagonist is a dumbass. Goku is a simple minded fool who loves to fight, how original. Remember the time he grabbed Raditz's tail but got tricked? Or how about the time he lent energy to Frieza after kicking his ass? What about the time he gave Cell a senzu bean before sending his teenage son off to face him in a battle to the death?
I could go on. Do the right thing and kill DBZ now before it becomes impossible to defeat in later rounds. Saying that it's synonymous with the old toonami isn't a good enough reason to keep it around.
lazybones18
Banned
How many episodes did it take for Namek to blow up in five minutes? Think about that
Toriyama once said If you could please enjoy that Dragon World without thinking about anything, Ill be happy.. You know your show sucks when you have to turn your brain off to enjoy it.
See you would have credence but you are voting for Bleach, a show that covers or exceeds some of your points.
Gucci Messiah
Banned
You still don't understand the tactics behind this game. Bleach is infinitely easier to knock out than DBZ.
Dr.Palutena
Member
This .
Though to be fair if we are gonna complain about every bad long shonen that eventually "became DBZ" , we have to look and see how "becoming DBZ" is a bad thing to begin with.
I have to agree that "it defined Toonami" isn't really meshing with me though, i mean from many standpoints Sailor Moon did a lot to define and make Toonami what it was, but that doesn't stop it from being the horrible dub version and it doesn't stop DBZ from being very flawed (though I do love it still all the same ).
DB >> DBZ anyways
Freeza and Buu are the worst villain in anime. They are both extremely powerful for no reason, and they both have infinite asspulls (transformations in the formers case, regeneration/absorption in the latter's case). Its like a 10 year old Gary Stu villain. Cell starts off good, but then turns to complete moron when he becomes Perfect. He HELPED the hero beat him by making the hero turn SSJ2. Despite the fact that he was mocking Vegeta earlier for doing that.
dbz sux.
dbz sux.
Dr.Palutena
Member
Youre missing the part where everyone more or less faffed about helping him become complete, from piccolo fighting android 17 and allowing him to tell where they are, to krillin wanting a piece , to vegeta being vegeta.
Gucci Messiah
Banned
Voting for Bleach doesn't make everything I just posted not true. Bleach isn't even in my top 3 toonami shows of all time, I'm playing the game. The smart thing to do is keep the show(s) you want to protect on the DL while gunning for the popular stuff early on. It gives you an advantage in the later rounds, this is a marathon not a sprint.
Strategy 101
Strategy 101
See, this is what annoys me about Z. Before, the villains like King Piccolo would achieve their goals despite the heroes trying to thwrat them. In Z, the villains achieve their goals because the heroes (most of the time Vegeta) just let them.
Gucci Messiah
Banned
We need a DBZ: Smartest Anime in YEARS kotaku article.
The Buu absorption crap pissed me off the most, this show is a joke.
Remember when Supreme Kai told the story about how Kid Buu became Fat Buu because he absorbed the Gods?
IF YOU KNEW HE COULD ABSORB, WHY DIDNT YOU TELL THEM?
Or like how Mr. Popo didnt give his Magic Carpet to Goku in the Saiyan arc, which meant he couldn't save Piccolo in time and thus Kami died. Popo killed Kami via negligence.
Dr.Palutena
Member
why didnt piccolo just grab gohan and moved outta the way!?
lazybones18
Banned
to be fair, Vegeta is a pretty big jobber
Another problem with DBZ, the writing just wanks off Goku too much.
Goku lets Piccolo go, and Piccolo saves everyone from Raditz next arc
Goku lets Vegeta go, and Vegeta saves everyone from Ginyu/Jeice next arc.
Goku lets Freeza power up, and he fully crushes his ego and gets to learn wacky techniques in space afterward.
Vegeta, on the other hand, lets Cell become complete and immediately gets his ass kicked. Later on Cell kills Vegetas son and beats up Vegeta once again.
Dr.Palutena
Member
Nothing after frieza arc in terms of power made sense STRONGEST PERSON IN GALAXY, GONNA WISH FOR IMMORTALITY AND DESTROY AND CONQUER ALL, SUPER EVIL.
then UH UH YOU KNOW THAT DUDE FROM DB? WELL HE SOMEHOW MADE ROBOTS THAT ARE STRONGER THAN THAT DUDE AND LIKE I DONT KNOW MAN.
even more later UH UH FUCK IF I KNOW SOME SORTA ALIEN MAGICIANS THING ?!
Gucci Messiah
Banned
I don't get why people complain about filler and then pretend that DBZ didn't suffer from the same issue. The show was produced continuously, not in seasons. It's hard to take a 14 page chapter of fighting and turn it into 20+ minutes of action, that's why there was so much talking and scene padding. That's essentially filler because that crap never happened in the manga, the pace was much brisker.
Dr.Palutena
Member
leave Rave Master alone ;_;
Trunks debut has to be the dumbest moment of the show.
-Is from the future
-Can go Super Saiyan
-Kills the main big bad in one hit.
-Has a "pretty boy" look compared to the other Saiyans
-His existence is justified that Yamcha cheated on Bulma so she dumped him and started hooking up with the guy that wants to kill her best friend. WTF?
He's like a character I'd expect a 13 year old on Tumblr to make.
Dr.Palutena
Member
But making future children eliminates any obligation to actually explain *why* characters end up together, they just *must*, it's easier!
Indeed, Kai > Z.
You ever wonder why Kid Gohan gets HALF SAIYAN RAGE BOOSTS but Goten/Trunks never did?
Because Kid Gohan is a shitty 1-dimensional character who has no niche but RAGE BOOST, which doesn't matter as he'll always be useless unless daddy holds his hand.
You ever wonder why Kid Gohan gets HALF SAIYAN RAGE BOOSTS but Goten/Trunks never did?
Because Kid Gohan is a shitty 1-dimensional character who has no niche but RAGE BOOST, which doesn't matter as he'll always be useless unless daddy holds his hand.
Dr.Palutena
Member
To be fair they never needed that since they literally had super Saiyan without literally any of the struggles or hardships anyone else went through (without being told too) , who needs rage boosts that only made you sorta strong for one hit when you got that .
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