maniac-kun
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Anyone who dismisses the handdrawn animation of Akira on such a list is not worth listening to:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2tKc8_7jB4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2tKc8_7jB4
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Top 10 Most Beautiful Animated Movies of All Time
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I actually agree with this list for the most part...From a technical and artistic point of view, its only natural that the latest movies using the latest technologies should look the best.
Of particular note (puts on flame suit) I agree that most Japanese films should be excluded from it. Films like Princess Mononoke (which I enjoy) is technically subpar to most every Disney film ever made. Japanese animation to this day is drawn at a mere 16 frames per seconds...the result is that no matter how well things are drawn or envisioned, its a stuttering mess.
This "style" is used to save costs...the fewer frames you draw, the less you spend. As a counter-example, all of Disney's films are (and always have been) drawn at 24 frames per second so in comparison it's hard for me to consider these as equals (technically).
Of particular note (puts on flame suit) I agree that most Japanese films should be excluded from it. Films like Princess Mononoke (which I enjoy) is technically subpar to most every Disney film ever made. Japanese animation to this day is drawn at a mere 16 frames per seconds...the result is that no matter how well things are drawn or envisioned, its a stuttering mess.
This "style" is used to save costs...the fewer frames you draw, the less you spend. As a counter-example, all of Disney's films are (and always have been) drawn at 24 frames per second so in comparison it's hard for me to consider these as equals (technically).
Ugh...perfect example of what I was talking about.
Admiral Woofington
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Sword of the stranger for me. Amazing battles
Newtype-001
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BertramCooper
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Persepolis and The Secret of Kells seem like two very big omissions.
TheGreatDirector
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Boxtrolls but no Coraline? Get out of here with this list.
Yeah I think it's fine as long as you explain your choices but then it's a top 10 list and the "___ is missing, list garbage confirmed" or "___ is on it, list garbage confirmed" comments are inevitable.
Noisepurge
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Lego Movie is incredible as far as CGI goes. Shit looks like real legos.
indeed, and that's what most here seem to have a problem with.
maniac-kun
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The youtube video is not full fps. Better luck next time.
Akira was shot with a unique frame per second, FYI. Over 160,000 unique animation cels.
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John Kowalski
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Akira isn't beautiful guys.
It's well animated butt ugliness, but it's still butt ugly.
It's well animated butt ugliness, but it's still butt ugly.
Mixolydian
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Don't agree with the whole list, but Legend of the guardians absolutely belongs on there. I remember thinking how gorgeous that movie was from the trailers, and doubly so when I actually saw it.
Ghostandgoblin
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Technic has nothing to do with beauty, a digital painting is not better than an oil one. If you just want to know how much pixels are generated for each frame of the latest pixar, you are missing the whole point of beauty in the medium or in general. The same goes for the supposed inferior Japanese cost saving style.
Diprosalic
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1-10 should be ghibli movies.
subjective
John Kowalski
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Doesn't matter. It definitely doesn't offer the sort of beauty that the list's author is describing.
Well turns out that it does matter. I just now noticed me mentioned Akira just before Garden of Flowers. Welp.
Regardless i would still hold that Akira does little to convey beauty, choosing instead to show a depressing state of urban life, whereas the rest make a point to find and show beauty.
Sir_Crocodile
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I find the night chase beautiful and I don't even like the movie
I wouldn't say Waltz with Bashir is "beautiful".
I wouldn't say the first half of Wall-E, with all of it's rusty earth tones, is really that beautiful even.
Again, subjective.
Fine, internet.
I'll watch Garden of Words already. I've never actually watched the movie but I have a ton of wallpapers from it.
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It's impossible to have a good top ten list for a subject like this. If you find a single Studio Ghibli movie to be top ten worthy than there are probably 9 other Studio Ghibli movies that should be on the list as well.
I'll watch Garden of Words already. I've never actually watched the movie but I have a ton of wallpapers from it.
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It's impossible to have a good top ten list for a subject like this. If you find a single Studio Ghibli movie to be top ten worthy than there are probably 9 other Studio Ghibli movies that should be on the list as well.
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King Endymion
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The lack of Snow White is depressing, I'm not a fan of the movie itself, but you can't deny that it's an artistic masterpiece.
Everything from Disney1989-1996 looked pretty amazing as well.
Everything from Disney1989-1996 looked pretty amazing as well.
Subpar Spatula
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Garden of Words is a pretty dumb movie. I guess it looks beautiful. Nothing too special about the animation. I guess they just try to make it look super good?
Edit: Children Who Chase Lost Voices isn't on there? Shame.
Perhaps then you should post a good example then...The vid you sent (and my DVD copy) all stutter.
LOL at "better luck next time"...are you under the impression that I am trying to troll?
I have no problem enjoying films/art of any and all types. Of course I see the beauty in these films and I have many in my personal collection but so what? Does my/your enjoyment of these exclude them from criticism?
The harsh reality is that these films are made on a budget...some are better than others and make up for this limitation with imagination and good writing but they are still stuck at low counts of frames per second. This isn't a critique of their artistic worth but rather a fair look at their technical makeup.
Who among us would claim that Akira would be ruined if it were drawn at a full 24 fps???
Chuckie
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I was under the impression Akira was actually drawn at full 24 fps.
He posted that before you. Why should he post a better example considering he didn't post it as a reaction to you?
Actually, it was lol
IT WAS DRAWN AT FULL 24 FPS.
Over 160,000 individual cels drawn. 160,000/24 = >6666 seconds of animation. 6666/60 (seconds in a minute) = 111 minutes of animation. The total length of the film including credits is 121 minutes.
I wouldn't. But would you argue that Lego Movie and Kaguya would be more charming if they had smoother animation? What about Fantastic Mr. Fox?
Not even sure why you are attacking Japanese animation when Wlatz with Bashir or Song of the Sea have considerably worse animation.
So is this list basically here's 10 random animated films I watched that I thought looked cool? Also, as much as I love stop motion, I'm not sure I would have them on this list as it's not quite the same thing. I also agree that no matter what you think of the film, Akira has to be on the list down to animation alone. It's hand drawn and incredibly impressive, even by modern day cg standards.
But my DVD stutters
Saucycarpdog
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Where is How to Train your Dragon 2? That was beautifully animated.
Maybe it's here and I'm dumb
but where is The Old Man and the Sea?
ah — and, The Thief and the Cobbler
but where is The Old Man and the Sea?
ah — and, The Thief and the Cobbler
Sho_Nuff82
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Is this the off topic equivalent of "all 1080p games look better than all 720p games without exception?" You don't value art on technical merit.
JimJamJones
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I'm sorry if it seems like I am attacking them...As I said before, I appreciate them overall but in comparison to other examples, they fall short (in certain aspects).
I can't comment on Waltz or Song of the Sea as I haven't seen them...nor have I seen Kaguya. Lego Movie and Mr Fox are (at least in style) are stop-animated films...they are in fact shot at 24 fps but the style gives it a "stuttery" impression.
The list is judging by visuals, right? They may have better movies, but those are definitely their best-looking movies. Got those ones spot-on, I think.
Weird choice for the Ghibli one, though. Kaguya has an interesting style and does it well, but it's not nearly the eye candy of most of Miyazaki's oeuvre. Spirited Away, Ponyo, or Mononoke should have that spot.
Wall-E? The movie whose locales consist of a overgrown garbage dump and a sterile spaceship, on a list for visual splendor? Naw, son. If Pixar has to have a spot, Ratatouille should run away with it. Monsters U is quite a looker, too.
Fantastic Mr. Fox has some style thanks to Andersen's direction, but from a technical animation standpoint it's amateur hour. This outgunning anything from Aardman is hot nonsense.
I'll agree with others and say Song of the Sea, Paprika, and Sleeping Beauty are a big omissions. For a dark horse Disney pick, I'd go with Robin Hood. Astoundingly buoyant and joyful character animation in that one.
I also think they gave a bit of a short shrift to CG. Contrary to others, I wouldn't be upset to see Big Hero 6 receive some love; It's an outstanding movie visually, it just fell short on the writing and predictability end. I'd also have liked to see a nod for Book of Life, really captivating and unique style. The visuals in the scene where Manolo first enters the Land of the Dead are just, ohhhh, oh man. Orgasmic.
Beren the Empty-Handed
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Legend of the Guardians? What? I only saw it once (in theaters, though), but I don't consider it any better than the majority of Pixar's stuff.
Lack of Fantasia, Pinocchio, Sleeping Beauty... this list is mind-boggling.
Lack of Fantasia, Pinocchio, Sleeping Beauty... this list is mind-boggling.
Personally I don't believe in lists at all...all films have artistic merit but if you have to draw the line somewhere, why not on its technical merits??? I mean, there are indeed facts we can agree on, no? Like more drawn frames are better than fewer drawn frames...this is (as far as I am concerned) an axiom. I guess this is all I am saying so if you are going to build a list of "most beautiful" animated films, how many examples can you include of movies with a limitation borne of cost-savings?
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