Finaika
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Don't look back, there's a giant white wolf behind you.
Besides The Lion King, the other examples are pretty bad. Legend of the Guardians will be hideous in 5 years like Final Fantasy or Polar Express, Waltz and Sound of the Sea look like they were done in flash and the then you have that paper thing.I'm sorry if it seems like I am attacking them...As I said before, I appreciate them overall but in comparison to other examples, they fall short (in certain aspects).
I can't comment on Waltz or Song of the Sea as I haven't seen them...nor have I seen Kaguya. Lego Movie and Mr Fox are (at least in style) are stop-animated films...they are in fact shot at 24 fps but the style gives it a "stuttery" impression.
Paranorman looked better imo. Wasn't it their first movie to use 3D printing? Even Nightmare Before Christmas looks better than Coraline.Did they just have a "only one movie per studio" thing or something? Seems crazy not to have several more Miyazaki movies. And I definitely agree that Coraline should replace Boxtrolls.
"Technical" doesn't mean better. You need an argument as to how 24FPS makes these films superior. Having higher frame rate is, yes, technically more frames. You haven't made an argument as to why this is better.I actually agree with this list for the most part...From a technical and artistic point of view, its only natural that the latest movies using the latest technologies should look the best.
Of particular note (puts on flame suit) I agree that most Japanese films should be excluded from it. Films like Princess Mononoke (which I enjoy) is technically subpar to most every Disney film ever made. Japanese animation to this day is drawn at a mere 16 frames per seconds...the result is that no matter how well things are drawn or envisioned, its a stuttering mess.
This "style" is used to save costs...the fewer frames you draw, the less you spend. As a counter-example, all of Disney's films are (and always have been) drawn at 24 frames per second so in comparison it's hard for me to consider these as equals (technically).
Where the hell is Mononoke ?
What a stupid list.
No The Last Unicorn?
Glad to see Legend of the Guardians on there. I was blown away by the visuals on it. Some of the flying scenes were just beautiful.
I wonder how many animators dyed drawing this... Still surprised Char's Counter Attack and Macross Plus aren't on here.Can't take an Akira-less list seriously.
IT WAS DRAWN AT FULL 24 FPS.
Over 160,000 individual cels drawn. 160,000/24 = >6666 seconds of animation. 6666/60 (seconds in a minute) = 111 minutes of animation. The total length of the film including credits is 121 minutes.
I can't comment on Waltz or Song of the Sea as I haven't seen them...nor have I seen Kaguya. Lego Movie and Mr Fox are (at least in style) are stop-animated films...they are in fact shot at 24 fps but the style gives it a "stuttery" impression.
Kaguya is easily the best looking and most visually impressive film put out by Ghibli though. Miyazaki's eye candy is more down to content.Weird choice for the Ghibli one, though. Kaguya has an interesting style and does it well, but it's not nearly the eye candy of most of Miyazaki's oeuvre. Spirited Away, Ponyo, or Mononoke should have that spot.
Where on earth is Sleeping Beauty!? It should be number 1 on that list
And that doesn't even account for the gorgeous animation.
Some glaring omissions.
Paprika
The Wind Rises
Persepolis
Kirikou and the Sorceress
Alice in Wonderland
Bambi
Sleeping Beauty
Pinocchio
Mind game
A Scanner Darkly
Fantastic Planet
REDLINE
The Thief and the Cobbler
The Book of Kels
Man, I can't agree at all. Kaguya's a fine film but I never felt anything in Kaguya really blew the doors off, animation-wise. There's always several shots in any given Miyazaki film that have my mouth agape and stay with me forever.Kaguya is easily the best looking and most visually impressive film put out by Ghibli though. Miyazaki's eye candy is more down to content.
That's not how it works. A different character or just a small moving part of the environment would be a unique cel.
As far as my eyes can see, some of Akira is animated at 24fps and some of it isn't.
Man, I can't agree at all. Kaguya's a fine film but I never felt anything in Kaguya really blew the doors off, animation-wise. There's always several shots in any given Miyazaki film that have my mouth agape and stay with me forever.
My god I need that Blue ray :O
I can't take that list seriously considering Land Before Time, Secret of Nimh, or All Dogs Go to Heaven aren't on it.
edit: and the Last Unicorn.
Man, I can't agree at all. Kaguya's a fine film but I never felt anything in Kaguya really blew the doors off, animation-wise. There's always several shots in any given Miyazaki film that have my mouth agape and stay with me forever.
Fantastic Mr Fox was shot at 12 fps. Stop acting like you have any idea what you're talking about.
The fact that the wolf isn't moving at all in that shot is ridiculous jarring.
Boxtrolls was beautifully animated, there is a ton of nuance in the motion of the characters, especially the expressions.Boxtrolls? Give me a break. It was a fine film, but I'm not prepared to call it "beautifully animated".
Also, CGI shouldn't be pared with cell animation. They're too different a media.
How many entries do you generally put in a top 10 list?
The fact that the wolf isn't moving at all in that shot is ridiculous jarring.