Dabookerman
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The Faceless Master said:
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"Top 10 Raw Deals for Gamers" - Wired/Kohler article
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TheGreatDave
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Dabookerman said:
Not that I agree entirely, but the problem with Xbox Live for me is you're paying for the features you get as standard elsewhere, but being given the awesome stuff for free with Silver.
Definitely agree with #1. I bought the God of War level kit for LBP the other day and was really confused that I had to pay like 4 euros for something that was supposed to cost 2,5. Now this make me more hesitant to buy something in the future. I would like to buy Super Stardust now that its a bargain but havent decided yet because of this.
PepsimanVsJoe
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Definitely agree on Chrono Trigger. Granted I did purchase both FF5 and FF6 advance but both of those games were 29.99. The extra $10 just put CT over the edge.
Seriously it bugs the hell out of me. A company like Sega, Capcom, Midway, Namco, or whoever will have no qualms about throwing 20+ games into a compilation and selling it a budget price. But try that with Nintendo, Square-Enix, or a few others and they'd totally balk at the idea. Totally weak.
Seriously it bugs the hell out of me. A company like Sega, Capcom, Midway, Namco, or whoever will have no qualms about throwing 20+ games into a compilation and selling it a budget price. But try that with Nintendo, Square-Enix, or a few others and they'd totally balk at the idea. Totally weak.
Azure Dream
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Jax said:
This has been happening a lot lately, and I despise it. Skins and cars used to be the common thing, but I know X-Men Origins: Wolverine had all sorts of preorder-only extra features relating to the Danger Room, I think the Ghostbusters game had some extra weapon you got for preordering (or maybe that was just the Ghostbusters 2 outfits), AC2 mentioned above...
It's one thing to give away external extras, little figures or art books or whatever. It's another to be locking off content in the games or printing up special versions with just a little bit more to play with because you locked your order in to the "right" store.
Musashi Wins!
FLAWLESS VICTOLY!
It's hilarious watching apologists for companies being consistent in every goddamn thread. It's like religion to some of you.
boutrosinit
Street Fighter IV World Champion
Great piece. 100% agree with all of it.
While most may hate Microsoft Funny Money, the thing is that is works better in a worldwide marketplace, which the Xbox Live Arcade lives in.
The PlayStation Network may have real money prices, but elsewhere we get screwed over for no reason. an 800MSP game is about 13AU in Australia, while the PSN version, if it's published by Sony, will be $12.95. If it's published by someone else, like Capcom, it'sll be $15.95 - a $3 addition for no reason.
THAT is why 800 Allards are better.
The PlayStation Network may have real money prices, but elsewhere we get screwed over for no reason. an 800MSP game is about 13AU in Australia, while the PSN version, if it's published by Sony, will be $12.95. If it's published by someone else, like Capcom, it'sll be $15.95 - a $3 addition for no reason.
THAT is why 800 Allards are better.
Blue Geezer
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MrPing1000 said:
fixed.
*tips hat to our aussie friends*
TheGreatDave
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Wizpig said:I guess these don't work on European accounts...?
Anyone tried?
You can just open up a US Xbox Live account (sign up on passport.com, say you're in the US) and it'll work.
off topic:TheGreatDave said:
Thanks, i already have one... but say i buy an XBLA with US points on the US account and then play it on the European [main] account... will it work correctly in case of patches and will it have european languages?
Sorry for the OT and thanks again.
As for the DRMs my 360 already died and i recovered them, i guess i could see if my US Soul Calibur DLC still works, i bought that with 100 free US points once...
It's worse if you're not in the US. 800 Microsoft points are $12.79 + tax.szaromir said:
And I only know that because I looked it up here:
http://www.mspconverter.com/
The fact that this site exists should be enough evidence that the system is confusing.
They could come up with at least a top 5 just for XBOX 360 in no particular order:
1. Ridiculously overpriced storage.
2. Over priced wifi, which should be included in the first place.
3. Batteries for the controllers, or you have to buy a charge kit.
4. MS Points.
5. Charging for XBL. At least let silver members play online with a gimped feature set.
6. The expensive ass cable to use optical audio.
This is why I refuse to purchase another 360. There policies and pricing are setting a terrible precedent for the industry.
1. Ridiculously overpriced storage.
2. Over priced wifi, which should be included in the first place.
3. Batteries for the controllers, or you have to buy a charge kit.
4. MS Points.
5. Charging for XBL. At least let silver members play online with a gimped feature set.
6. The expensive ass cable to use optical audio.
This is why I refuse to purchase another 360. There policies and pricing are setting a terrible precedent for the industry.
TheGreatDave
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Wizpig said:
360 content is tied to the console and the gamertag, one of them needs to be correct for it to work. So if you download an XBLA game with a US account, you can play it with the Euro one. The only issue is if your console dies, I think your Euro account is unable to access the US content if you're on a new console, but I think the DRM Tool on Xbox.com can fix that.
Beer Monkey
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MS points are awesome, I always get them for 25-40% off. 
One of my raw deals is having to a buy a wired ethernet adapter for the Wii. Fuck wireless. Hopefully Sony and MS don't drop wired ethernet next gen.
One of my raw deals is having to a buy a wired ethernet adapter for the Wii. Fuck wireless. Hopefully Sony and MS don't drop wired ethernet next gen.
Visualante
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Nice work Kobun.
Visualante
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They can have sales with real money, on the store.Grecco said:
TheGreatDave
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Grecco said:
Seriously. The points system is awesome for some cheap ass gaming.
Rated-Rsuperstar said:
Practically every single Microsoft accessory could be on this list. The wireless headset costing more than Sony's headset (which is more comfortable and works with things other than the PS3), the inability to get an optical output w/o buying the overpriced HDMI cable package, etc. Not that Sony or Nintendo are all that much better in terms of their own accessories, but at least Sony has gone pretty much mostly with standardized components/accessories for the PS3.
freethought
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beermonkey@tehbias said:MS points are awesome, I always get them for 25-40% off.
Isn't the point that retailers buy points cards in bulk and so can offer a discount. The same would be true of Sony cards too, at least in theory.
I think getting cheap points cards is great but don't confuse this retail perk with the points system in general. They're not as related as a lot of people in this thread seem to think.
Visualante said:
This, and there are rebates on PSN cards as well. This have nothing to do with the fact that you have a spacebucks in the interface, vs real money. Spacebucks are just more confusing. Would be exactly the same thing than buying stuff online with a foreign currency, except that the exchange rate is quite frozen.
Visualante
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Yep, i've seen deals on iTunes cards that have a 'cash' value.freethought said:
PepsimanVsJoe
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Chris should have just put the Xbox 360 in general as numbers 10 through 1. That's the cause of most of our raw deals this gen anyway. DLC, overpriced accessories, paying for online, funny money, $10 "next-gen" premium, reliability concerns, HD but not really, and so on. Heck even if you don't get a 360 most of its faults and BS have managed to pervade the other systems in one way or another.
Alaskanbullworm
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MidnightScott said:
Oh yeah, I thought I mentioned that, but yeah. You'll get charged if you buy the points from MS and Nintendo online and not PSN of course, but you do get charged for tax if you buy anything on PSN and not when you buy stuff from MS or Nintendo.
Really, that's my only gripe about this whole thing. If we weren't charged tax on any of this stuff I'd of course want it all to go to real money, way more convenient that way.
I completely agreeTheGreatDave said:
Bought 12000 points for 40% off,
Got 4000 so far for free(Giveaways)
Got 1600 for 14.99 with BB Card
Got 1600 with the Watchman Tickets deal at BB(My 11dollar Imax ticket was free ^_^)
I pay absolutely no Tax either <3
Picked up a few deals on Amazon also, Where they were 40-50% off.
And you want to tell me the point system is a bad thing? :lol
MightyHedgehog
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Yep. And the great thing is that the publisher & developer lose nothing on the deal. Everyone wins...so long as you watch for deals...which are everywhere and all the damned time these days especially.squicken said:
Rhazer Fusion
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Rated-Rsuperstar said:
I think all of Microsoft's accessories are way overpriced. I want a bigger hard drive, but I refuse to pay $150 for it when I bought a 320GB a long time ago for $99. I agree with this list. I just wish I could find more deals on Microsoft points though. They are NEVER on sale where I live and I can't seem to find any deals online either.
Visualante said:
With point I don't have to wait for the game to go on sale, I can get it day one. Also, I can stack the 2 for even more savings. Street Fighter 2 HD cost me $2 this week thanks to this.
freethought said:
They are though, because of the PSN cards being simply a real money transfer, instead of buying an item. You rarely see things like restaurant giftcards and such on sale at retailers for this same reason, they are seen as simply a transfer of funds.
Visualante said:
Yes, but nowhere near as often. As the epitome of Cheapassgaming I keep track of such things.
TheGreatDave
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It works for me, and really, isn't that enough?Slavik81 said:
Son of Godzilla
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How about games getting advertised and hyped 2+ years in advance of their release? How many times do we see "I just bought blahblahblah because of XXX" where XXX is something THAT ISNT OUT YET? Between that and pre-orders, gamers don't have a fucking clue how to invest their money.
freethought
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MattKeil said:
Yeah, but everyone in this thread is talking about pre-paid cards, which are an excellent idea. The article was complaining about Microsoft and Nintendo using points systems on their online services, which is only exploitable by the platform holder. What does one have to do with the other? I get that MS distribute pre-paid cards, but that's frankly a pretty weak connection. They could still distribute them and use real money. You'd get the same great deals, and you'd always know what you're spending. We all win.
I'll never understand why people are in favour of a system so easily exploitable by billion dollar corporations.
edit: Actually, if you bought a pre-paid card on sale you'd still have to work out the actual cost to you. But at least in that case you'd just be trying to figure out how much you're saving.
MightyHedgehog
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Eh, the average person isn't likely to be bitching all that much about it...certainly not as much as hardcore internet-using gamers who know better. Besides, should everyone be treated to the exact same cost because some or most didn't bother to shop around? Points systems or no, that's reality in product sales, man.Slavik81 said:
Slavik81 said:
This is simply false. Retails see these deals get people into the store, and those people in many cases by other overpriced crap, therefor they continue to run said deals.
Seriously, it seems like every 3-4 weeks target puts the cards on sale for 25% off.
If what you say were even remotely true, those sales would have stopped a year and a half ago when I first began to stock up regularly.
People just looking for a reason to whine hate points. Consumers who truly value their money, love the system, as it saves us money, and stacking it with sales, I haven't payed more than 50% of any DLC price in over a year. A lot of it I've gotten for 75% off.
freethought said:
You don't seem to grasp that PSN cards having a real money sum, is why they don't go on sale often, or when they do, it's never near the deals we've gotten on MS Points cards. It has to do with that real money value associated with the card. If having a points system is the price I pay to save 50% on everything, all the time, no exceptions, then bring on the
freethought said:
It's awesome that you get to follow deals and such but between work and school I don't got a lot of time to follow sales and go to stores to buy shit and then go home and then wait for it to download when there are two services out there that do exactly what I want, have most of the same games and do it painlessly.
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