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CryptiK said:
I wonder who got suspended and fined. At least they have repercussions .
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Totally. And we have no idea about repercussions of the COD matches. I'm not saying there's going to be, but I stand by my point that it's the venue and producers that govern the action, these are kids playing videogames ... when I was 17 I cussed and yelled at the screen. Of course it was Mortal Kombat II and Kung Lao totally fucking cheated!
 
flyinpiranha said:
Top level NBA players, it's exactly what you expect:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzO4gCMKfDo




I completely agree. The problem lies with the presentation, it could have easily been done tasteful and if you're kicked out of a comp for being a douche, I'm sure you won't be the next time. Although the NBA video I linked surely doesn't prove my point, haha!
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I think EVERYONE who follows the NBA will agree that Ron Artest AKA Metta World Peace is not representative of professional basketball. That guy is known for his aggressiveness and poor sportsmanship.
 
CoD competitive wow! So bad.

Even LoL has a better general community then.

And SC2 players seem like upperclass gents compared to those plebs.

I am not a big eSports follower but I have watched QuakeLive, LoL, SC2 and CS.

Nothing like OPs video. I dont wanna say consoles .. buuuuut
 
close to the edge said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFCAGo-ms9w

This is also fairly entertaining, only in this case it's only one guy doing the shouting. (rotk) He is fairly infamous in the Dota scene for being very.. vocal at LAN events. I believe he's somewhat of an anomaly, most other (professional) Dota players are fairly well-mannered, especially in the Asian scene.
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I used to play small DOTA and Hero Line War LANs and I was always the super vocal guy that was yelling about this or that, I know that feel rotk.

Hell, I would talk shit at M:tG tournaments I went to.
 
They are just trying to intimidate the opposing team, and to boost their own players, like they said. That's reasonable and serves a purpose. Only the screaming was extreme, the language wasn't that bad, and there were almost no threats.

However, I've heard that free, casual multiplayer online games that you play for fun have much, much, much worse language and threats, etc. I rarely play multiplayer games though.

People shouldn't compare FPS games to RTS games. RTS games are often 1 on 1 I think, and they require a lot of concentration. It's more like chess.
 
flyinpiranha said:
Totally. And we have no idea about repercussions of the COD matches. I'm not saying there's going to be, but I stand by my point that it's the venue and producers that govern the action, these are kids playing videogames ... when I was 17 I cussed and yelled at the screen. Of course it was Mortal Kombat II and Kung Lao totally fucking cheated!
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Swearing and acting like in idiot in a public arena representing a name that is not your own is not ok how ever in the comfort of your own home playing Mortal Kombat it is because you are not representing a team or tournament are encouraging this public image.
 
Lord-Audie said:
How's is this any different that any competitive sport?

I would think that any audience for a football match would make these look like little angels.
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Gonna have to agree there. It was clear that they were hyping each other up to do better and trying to mentally undermine the other team.

that said, I would not ever want to play a game with these people.
 
dygiT said:
I think EVERYONE who follows the NBA will agree that Ron Artest AKA Metta World Peace is not representative of professional basketball. That guy is known for his aggressiveness and poor sportsmanship.
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Ha, yeah. But the video linked is a "compilation". I could imagine the rest of the match was pretty civil as they seemed to just be sitting there until they actually won.

Metta World Peace ... what a fucking joke that guy is.

"Anger management classes have helped me"
*clotheslines Barea*

CryptiK said:
Swearing and acting like in idiot in a public arena representing a name that is not your own is not ok how ever in the comfort of your own home playing Mortal Kombat it is because you are not representing a team or tournament are encouraging this public image.
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Tell that to the hundreds of fights and shit talking for NCAA level teams. And high school.

I completely agree with your sentiment but I still think it falls on the producers. If you let NCAA men's basketball players cuss and shit talk (they do) more often, they would. But the NCAA doesn't allow it.
 
It's a culture thing. Although there is a wide variety of people playing each game, there is often a dominating culture surrounding that game. PC gaming is not immune to this asshatery (see: Dota 2 at The International with "get on my level ho").

schennmu said:
competitive fps on a controller, lmao.
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Can we please stop it with this PC gaming elitism? It just makes PC gamers look bad.
 
ThoughtsOfSpeaking said:
Gonna have to agree there. It was clear that they were hyping each other up to do better and trying to mentally undermine the other team.

that said, I would not ever want to play a game with these people.
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They are the players not the audience. They are repping a name.

This thread is a perfect example look at all the hate for these kids. Would any of you watch anything like this for entertainment? I sure as hell wouldn't.

TheExodu5 said:
It's a culture thing. Although there is a wide variety of people playing each game, there is often a dominating culture surrounding that game. PC gaming is not immune to this asshatery (see: Dota 2 at The International with "get on my level ho").
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That comment and this banter are on 2 different levels.
 
Reporter spends the first few minutes talking about how surprised he is at their behavior then defends it at the end and says that I probably swear more than these people. No I don't and this is ridiculous behavior for a competition.
 
A while ago I concluded that approximately 43.75% of the world's gross anger is directly or indirectly attributable to Call of Duty.
 
Mister Saturn said:
I suspected it'd be that Pistons-Pacers brawl before clicking the link. That came scarily close to turning into a riot, and I don't think describes the typical heated moments in physical sports.
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As I don't think this video is a proper representation of eSports. Just saying it goes both ways. You see what you want to and a majority in this thread are seeing this video as a representation of eSports, or console players, or whatever fits their perfect little picture.

Shit, I haven't even played CoD since MW2 because I think the general online populace (across all mediums) leaves a lot to be desired.
 
Zen_Arcade said:
Yes they are less strenuous. Saying that they aren't makes me think that you've never actually played a sport. Having someone push you to the ground every other minute or constantly putting their hands in your face and causing you physical harm is
undoubtedly more stressful then sitting in a chair and someone shooting virtual bullets at you.

And again, I'm sure professional chess players are extremely invested in big money
tournaments, but that doesn't mean when
the lose they flip the table over and act like a dick.

And as other people have said, when professional athletes lose their shit this bad
they're held accountable, either through suspension or a fine. There's a difference between a little shit talking and getting so
angry that you literally can't form words correctly. These people are just acting like assholes.
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Obviously real sports are more physically stressful, I'm speaking in terms of mental stress.Have YOU played an esport at a competitively high-level? You can't claim to know which is more mentally stressful without playing both at a reasonably high level. I didn't want to come off like I did either, just giving trying to give these players the benefit of the doubt . And you don't get that cursing in chess because chess players are usually a more educated and self aware group of people who know that they are in an environment where that type of behavior if frowned upon, and can suppress their emotions trough discipline and logical discourse, not to mention bad sportsmanship there is probably actively enforced against too; The people in this video on the other hand are still developing teenagers in a league that's probably still developing too, really, what did you expect from them?
 
computers putin' said:
Obviously real sports are more physically stressful, I'm speaking in terms of mental stress.Have YOU played an esport at a competitively high-level? You can't claim to know which is more mentally stressful without playing both at a reasonably high level. I didn't want to come off like I did either, just giving trying to give these players the benefit of the doubt . And you don't get that cursing in chess because chess players are usually a more educated and self aware group of people who know that they are in an environment where that type of behavior if frowned upon, and can suppress their emotions trough discipline and logical discourse, not to mention bad sportsmanship there is probably actively enforced against too; The people in this video on the other hand are still developing teenagers in a league that's probably still developing too, really, what did you expect from them?
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I agree, there is pressures of competition. Herein lies the problem. You have the youth behaving like this over video games which are hardly life saving or something which should elicit the behavior they displayed.

It's worrying now and worrying (me) to see the effects and how these people will be in 20 years. Same goes for the kids buried in their smart phones.
 
CryptiK said:
They are the players not the audience. They are repping a name.

This thread is a perfect example look at all the hate for these kids. Would any of you watch anything like this for entertainment? I sure as hell wouldn't.
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No they are trying win a pot of prize money at any mean necessary.

Whether is entertaining or not is besides the point. You shouldn't be watching the players, you should be watching the game.

That is the biggest issue I have with the esports format. It's is trying to follow the model of professional sports in trying to create celebrities.

I don't give a fuck what HaLOSucks941 looks like or how he reacts to his game. I care about his skill in the game.

If you must do interviews afterward then fair enough but as far as I'm concerned, esports coverage should be about the games themselves, not the commentators, not the gamers.

stupid shit like watching the players shake hands and listening to beaten players go into the commentary chair after their matches are my biggest peeve with fighting game streams. Just show the game and shut the fuck up.
 
flyinpiranha said:
As I don't think this video is a proper representation of eSports. Just saying it goes both ways. You see what you want to and a majority in this thread are seeing this video as a representation of eSports, or console players, or whatever fits their perfect little picture.

Shit, I haven't even played CoD since MW2 because I think the general online populace (across all mediums) leaves a lot to be desired.
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Oh, I myself don't think that CoD video is representative of esports. I do think behavior like that is more prevalent in the console crowd, though, but all I have to go off of that is personal experience and guesswork. I imagine lower barrier of entry plays a big part, among other things.
 
TheExodu5 said:
It's a culture thing. Although there is a wide variety of people playing each game, there is often a dominating culture surrounding that game. PC gaming is not immune to this asshatery (see: Dota 2 at The International with "get on my level ho").



Can we please stop it with this PC gaming elitism? It just makes PC gamers look bad.
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"Get on my level ho" was moonmeander at the end of HoN tourny (dreamhack?). I don't think anything interesting like that happened at the International. With Dota2 however the "official" russian commentators and Tobiwan have done some stupid immature things.
 
Mister Saturn said:
Oh, I myself don't think that CoD video is representative of esports. I do think behavior like that is more prevalent in the console crowd, though, but all I have to go off of that is personal experience and guesswork. I imagine lower barrier of entry plays a big part, among other things.
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Yeah, CoD attracts that younger crowd and depraved behavior became the norm.
 
ThoughtsOfSpeaking said:
No they are trying win a pot of prize money at any mean necessary.

Whether is entertaining or not is besides the point. You shouldn't be watching the players, you should be watching the game.

That is the biggest issue I have with the esports format. It's is trying to follow the model of professional sports in trying to create celebrities.

I don't give a fuck what HaLOSucks941 looks like or how he reacts to his game. I care about his skill in the game.

If you must do interviews afterward then fair enough but as far as I'm concerned, esports coverage should be aboutte games themselves, not the commentators, not the gamers.

stupid shit like watching the players shake hands and listening to beaten players go into the commentary chair after their matches are my biggest peeve with fighting game streams. Just show the game and shut the fuck up.
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Please, vilifying this behavior is my main point. It's not ok since this is how these people act. Many of us have witnessed this behavior in our own personal games. It's something which you always hear about but you see it before you in that video. To see them say that it's all for show is a bad excuse. This is the behavior of your typical console shooter affionado. I've heard it and seen it and it's also on PC but as I said initially, consoles are a lot more accessible so you definitely notice it there more.

Also, why so aggressive in tone? The conversation calls for a little more levity. Let's get along!
 
ThoughtsOfSpeaking said:
No they are trying win a pot of prize money at any mean necessary.

Whether is entertaining or not is besides the point. You shouldn't be watching the players, you should be watching the game.

That is the biggest issue I have with the esports format. It's is trying to follow the model of professional sports in trying to create celebrities.

I don't give a fuck what HaLOSucks941 looks like or how he reacts to his game. I care about his skill in the game.

If you must do interviews afterward then fair enough but as far as I'm concerned, esports coverage should be about the games themselves, not the commentators, not the gamers.

stupid shit like watching the players shake hands and listening to beaten players go into the commentary chair after their matches are my biggest peeve with fighting game streams. Just show the game and shut the fuck up.
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I think this is wrong. The reason e-sports are getting popular is because we are now able to put faces onto the players. I don't see what's wrong with following the professional sports model - if they want to be treated as a legitimate "sport" they need to present themselves as one.
 
Mister Saturn said:
Oh, I myself don't think that CoD video is representative of esports. I do think behavior like that is more prevalent in the console crowd, though, but all I have to go off of that is personal experience and guesswork. I imagine lower barrier of entry plays a big part, among other things.
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I think it's really all about the orginaziers. Make clear what kind of behaviour is tolerated and such behaviour (mostly) disapears - there is money on the line after all.
 
schennmu said:
I'm a console + PC gamer, but it's just cute how the boys get upset hodling their controllers.
It's like riding the Tour de France on a BMX.
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Except everyone is on a BMX and the course isn't the Tour de France but one made especially for BMX racing.
 
Freakinchair said:
I think this is wrong. The reason e-sports are getting popular is because we are now able to put faces onto the players. I don't see what's wrong with following the professional sports model - if they want to be treated as a legitimate "sport" they need to present themselves as one.
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Also a good point. Mad respect for the pro's in that SC2 tourney a few days back.

These CoD players? Embarrassment's to the gaming tournaments.
 
computers putin' said:
Obviously real sports are more physically stressful, I'm speaking in terms of mental stress.Have YOU played an esport at a competitively high-level? You can't claim to know which is more mentally stressful without playing both at a reasonably high level. I didn't want to come off like I did either, just giving trying to give these players the benefit of the doubt . And you don't get that cursing in chess because chess players are usually a more educated
and self aware group of people who know that they are in an environment where that type of behavior if frowned upon, and can
suppress their emotions trough discipline and logical discourse, not to mention bad sportsmanship there is probably actively enforced against too; The people in this video on the other hand are still developing teenagers in a league that's probably still developing too, really, what did you expect from them?
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No, I haven't played video games at that
level, but there is no way the mental stress of losing in a video game can be compared to a 250+ lb man coming at you full speed trying to uproot you. To say otherwise is just silly. People have gotten serious physical damage to their bodies playing sports and that's a constant worry in the back of every players mind.

You're either really under selling the stress of playing a professional sport or completely overselling the stress of video games. If someone hits you wrong in any play in football you could seriously damage your body, end your career and be in constant physical pain the rest of your life. If you die in a CoD tournament you respawn.

And I expect better from "professional"
gamers. I expect them to act somewhat professional. I don't expect them to act like every other idiot I have to listen to online. They're in a spotlight and representing companies and a league. They should act like it. If people aren't going to act somewhat professional then ban them from the league until they grow up. Because them being there is only bringing the opinion of professional gaming down.
 
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