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yami4ct

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A modification that was never officially made or approved by Lamborghini. It's one thing to stick a fire department lightbar on top of a Countach, but to change the entire back end like that? It's highly unlikely they'd be willing to license a toy of it. I'm pretty sure we're stuck with third party on that particular character. Luckily Badcube Sunsurge is more than adequate.



They did announce it, last year at Botcon. It just hasn't happened yet.

I completely missed the announcement last year. Huh. Must've just ignore it since it was largely an uneventful con. I suspect either we get an announcement this weekend or the license got stuck somehow.

As for Sunstreaker, I totally agree he's in a bit of a bind. Tarkara has been able to work in scenarios we thought impossible before, licensing Bee's and Wheeljack's vehicles, but you're totally right it's a different thing. I think they'll find a way to release him eventually. He certainly has some hurdles.
 
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Faiz

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What's the general admission line usually like at Botcon? Couldnt justify a full package so just going on Saturday
 
I tracked down MP Shockwave today! I've got to say, the pictures aren't accurate anywhere. Not even the back of the box has it right. He is slightly more reddish than the back of the box, and slightly darker. Still not near the G1 toy of course, but quite solid. No time to mess around with him right now, but I'm very happy to check this one off my list.

Is 7500 yen a decent price for Bumblebee?
 

aparisi2274

Member
I tracked down MP Shockwave today! I've got to say, the pictures aren't accurate anywhere. Not even the back of the box has it right. He is slightly more reddish than the back of the box, and slightly darker. Still not near the G1 toy of course, but quite solid. No time to mess around with him right now, but I'm very happy to check this one off my list.

Is 7500 yen a decent price for Bumblebee?

7500Y = $69.36USD which is about average for what you would expect to pay for Bumblebee.

I checked amiami, and they are sold out, but they were selling it for around 4850Y.
 

yami4ct

Member
I don't get the Red Alert... anime colors? what?

It uses an off white instead of a pure white and orange translucent effect parts over blue. I guess those are more accurate to the cartoon? Could've fooled me. I really should've bought an MP Alert at some point. I expect I still will someday.

UW Computron looks absolutely stunning in color. I don't hate the Hasbro one, but the weird pink color, the Superion head and tank Nosecone make it look really cheap in comparison.

 
Got my pre-order locked in for UW Computron. Wonder if they'll just go the whole hog and give us Predaking and Abominus too?

(maybe even Raiden and Liokaiser?! I can dream)

Also discovered my pre-order of MP Shockwave did not go through back in October last year because of my lacking understanding of the cart system of the store I purchased from.. Booo :-(
 

Vyer

Member
Saw more of the CW Combaticons in a Walmart. They look pretty solid. Very....I don't know, substantial? Got a very fitting vibe.
 

Drayco21

Member
Botcon already has me psyched for the rest of the year in Transformers:

Robots in Disguise:


The Decepticon molds continue to look awesome; Bisk's weird size and shape probably limit his articulation, but he looks like he has so much personality. They're also doing a darker repaint of Quillfire into Scatterspike; I still haven't seen a Quillfire, but I love the look of this mold too; I'll pick the first of the two I see up for sure. There's also a Ratchet who's a remold of Strongarm. I still don't have a definitive Ratchet for my collection, but really liked the look of his Prime figure; maybe I'll pick this one up- it looks just a few paint apps short of being pretty fantastic.

There were also a bunch of figures on the Titan's Return cardbacks that we've only seen parts of or rumors about; Deluxe Weirdwolf and Highbrow, Voyager Alpha Trion, Titanmasters for Apeface and what looks like Grimlock, but the thing that really stood out to me is that the boxart for Chromedome looks a lot more like IDW Getaway instead; possible repaint coming?


Exciting year! When Headmasters was the announced gimmick, I was a little bummed because the combiners have been so much fun, and I always thought headmasters were lame, but the line is looking like a lot of fun.
 

Tizoc

Member
OK let me run this by you fellows before I post it in another thread.
This is PART of a bigger thread I hope to one day complete and post in Off Topic Discussions, seeing as there are threads recommending various comic book series I figured I'd do one for James Roberts and Nick Roche's Transformers series as well. The below is focused on the 2 parter by James Roberts before the Chaos story arc-

Turns out you can't keep a good Decepticon down; Megatron is revealed to be alive and in a new body, one that is outfitted with Space Bridge Tech.
One would think the war would start all over again or resume, yet Megatron does the unthinkable; he arrives at the Autobot's base and surrenders. No Fusion Canon blasting or bludgeoning with a cyber mace, nothing; straight up surrenders to Prime and his carde of Autobots.

But the surprises don't end there; Hot Rod has recovered the Matrix and given it to Optimus. Having bonded with the Matrix himself, he takes on the name Rodimus and informs Optimus of a new dangerous threat; the ancient Cybertronian Galvatron, along with his second in command Cyclonus, is planning something sinister on their home planet Cybertron.

With that knowledge, Optimus assembles a crew and they board Omega Supreme along with Rodimus, and Megatron as their prisoner as they return to their home planet and find out what Galvatron is up to.

Non of that setup matters much really (outside of Megatron being their prisoner), but these 2 issues are a must read primarily due to the fact that it focuses on Optimus and Megatron and their views of each other. Even if you've never read a TF comic before, these 2 issues can easily be gotten into primarily for the focus on these 2 characters and the 'flashback' story, making it a really good standalone story.

The 2 issues focus on 2 events; Pre war cybertron flashback that tells the events of and following the arrest of Megatron, and present time events that unfold aboard Omega Supreme between Prime and Megatron on their space flight towards Cybertron.

Before I continue I should point out that this is one of the earliest collaborations between James Roberts and Alex Milne; Milne would go on to become the main artist on the More than Meets the Eye series, if his artstyle isn't recognizable here, then it is very likely due to the coloring, which was done by Joana LaFuente.

There's a lot I like about this 2 parter; for one the writing and dialog is well done, gets the message through, fun to read (IMHO) and is easy to follow. In addition, much like how one of the things All-Star Superman is praised for being that a single page tells a lot on its own, applies here. For example, here is the very first page of Issue #22-

From this one page you learn everything you need to know about pre-war Cybertron' society. Here's the 2nd page that follows it, the dialog and writing works to expand on what was established in the prior page-

The first issue would jump between the arrest of Megatron (in pre-war Cybertron), and Optimus (in the present time) getting around to doing something we've rarely, if ever, seen been done in many TF media; just sit down and talk to that homicidal, speciest, genocidal idealist.
It goes about...well unexpected to say the least-

Remember how I wrote about how a single page tells a lot on its own? Same applies here even though I've shown 2 pages, but show that to ANYONE who is a huge fan of the 80s cartoon and they're likely to get a big stupid grin on their face. I just can't get enough of Megatron just sitting on that chair all casually, arms behind his head in a relaxed manner talking to Optimus Prime like he's a good old friend.

To post more would likely end up with me posting much of the issue so it's best if one were to just go ahead and read it if they're already sold by these few examples.

As of this writing the 2 parter is collected digitally (Comixology) and in print in the Chaos Theory TPB-
http://www.amazon.com/dp/1613770901/?tag=neogaf0e-20

More than meets the eye would build off elements mentioned in passing in these 2 issues hence why they are necessary for the enjoyment of the main series as a whole.

In closing this 2 parter is a great self contained story that one can go back to time and time again, and even those who hadn't touched anything or many Transformers other than the 80s G1 cartoon will appreciate and enjoy.
 

Beth Cyra

Member
Damn the art is beautiful Face plate is so sharp and zip love how Megatron still addresses Optimus as Prime.

With the overall look this might be my second favorite Prime design after War With In.
 
You're doing the Lord's work as always, Tizoc. And by the Lord, I obviously mean his Holiness James Roberts the First.

It's looking good, I would only change:
  1. Shorten the introduction, probably skipping all about Galvatron, the Matrix and so on, it's not that interesting compared to the rest of the comic or even particularly relevant. You can read Chaos Theory without knowing about that and enjoy it all the same. I would just say that Megatron surprises everyone by surrendering, which leads to him and Optimus having a talk and flashbacks about how it all began millions of years ago.
  2. Replace the dashes (-) at the end of sentences with colons :))
  3. Capitalize More than Meets the Eye to highlight it's the name of a comic.
Also, looking at those gorgeous covers again, I just noticed how Megatron is gritty and battered in his miner (pre-war) body, and pristine in his new body, while Optimus is shiny in his cop (pre-war) body, and dirty/cracked in his current body. I'm sure there's layers upon layers of symbolism in that. :)
 

yami4ct

Member
Individual colored Tecnobots!


As much as I love UW Devastator, Combiner Wars (Or UW) Defensor and UW Bruticus, this might end up being my favorite set yet. Wow.

Only potential complaints I have are Afterburner's Red coloring as opposed to the more orange of the show, but I suspect it may be dark orange in person. Even if not, he definitely looks good in those colors. Scattershot is a bit Silverbolt-y as well, but that's about the best you can do without a whole new mold and he's far from bad. He still evokes Scattershot enough for me.

It also highlights just how out of place Nosecone is, but that's true of the original cartoon Technobots as well. He just sticks out even more in this group shot.
 

Tizoc

Member
The reason I mention Galvatron is mainly because I would be writing about LSotW and for that I'd give a quick 'what had previously transpired in the comics that you don't have to read', seeing as there's a gap of what 1-2 years of comics before this 2 parter I figured a quick clearing up would help since it would eventually lead to Cyclonus joining the crew.

I'll try to get the LSotW write up done for today, it'll only focus on the first issue or 2 anyways.
 
Well played, Hasbro.

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Yeah, if you're a MTMTE fan and after seeing that pic you don't rush out to buy them when they're released, I don't know what you're doing with your life. :)

The reason I mention Galvatron is mainly because I would be writing about LSotW and for that I'd give a quick 'what had previously transpired in the comics that you don't have to read', seeing as there's a gap of what 1-2 years of comics before this 2 parter I figured a quick clearing up would help since it would eventually lead to Cyclonus joining the crew.

I'll try to get the LSotW write up done for today, it'll only focus on the first issue or 2 anyways.

I think it's best to go into Chaos Theory almost blind. Just know that Megatron surrendered and they're en route to Cybertron. It's a very self-contained narrative, so it works perfectly without any more context. This is also important because potential readers might not give a shit about Transformers or any of its backstory, so frontloading that might put them off immediately without reading further into the post. The sooner you get them to reading Roberts' writing and beholding Milne's artwork, the better.

I also admit I dislike Galvatron and everything related to him in IDW comics. He's probably the most boring, one-dimensional character in the current lineup and everytime he shows up, the narrative of RiD takes a nosedive.
 

Xis

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I'm down at Botcon right now. Skipped out on casino night; sipping bourbon nearby. Pretty good haul; really liking this year's box set, plus picked up Masterpiece Rodimus and Soundblaster. I'm not a huge fan of the Masterpiece line (sometimes the transformations are too fiddly), but these are both prett great.
 

Tizoc

Member
Welp here's the Last Stand write-up, let me know what to touch up or is wrong. Sorry ended up posting just as I'm going to bed so expect typos I lazily forgot to fix :V

It's a little difficult to describe Last Stand of the Wreckers outside of its premise; the rogue Decepticon Overlord had taken over the Autobot Prison Facility Garrus-9 and has been ruling over it for 3 years. Autobot High Command, upon realizing they had lost contact with the facility, mobilize the Autobot's Black Ops unit, The Wreckers, lead by Springer, to infiltrate Garrus-9 and free it from Decepticon control.

This miniseries marks the first project that James Roberts has ever worked on an official Transformers medium, being a long time fan of the TF series (his first introduction to the comic was the UK issue #113, which at the time featured the Season 3 characters Kup, Springer, etc.). The success of this miniseries would eventually lead to him heading a mainline TF book, More Than Meets the Eye, and it becoming nominated for many awards.

The art is handled by Nick Roche, another long time fan of the series and who worked on various TF comics with IDW. Josh Burcham's colors add great depth and visual style to Roche's pencils, helping panels that are character focused to really stand out and be imposing.

One quote that praised the book is that it was 'The Watchmen of TF comic stories'. I think that's a bit of an exagerration, although the phrase 'Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?' is an interesting observation to be had of this book by the time one finishes reading it.
At any rate, the book remains a perfect introduction to one of the best comic book series, not just Transformers but the genre as a whole, of the decade. If you made a list of the 100 best comic books from 2010 onwards, this entire series deserves to be on there.

I've provide a quick look and write-up of the first 2 issues of the miniseries. What I will mostly aim to focus on is the writing style, which is something I'll bring up a few times more in the thread.

The first issue begins with Garrus-9 under siege by the Decepticons. The chief warden, Fortress Maximums aka Fort Max, is undettered by the assault. Notice how the very first page sets things up instantly with the pace of the dialog not dawdling and giving the reader all the information they need.

On the next page, every Autobot and Decepticon's worst nightmare descends on the scene;

the reaction from the soldiers should tell you everything you need to know about Overlord, with the ensuing pages cementing his sadistic and torture obsessed nature.

We next switch to a group of Autobots, never before or rarely if ever, known or seen in the many TF media; they are the new recruits for Springer's Wreckers team, waiting at a space port to join with Springer and the Wreckers.

As this ragtag group boards the ship they meet with Verity, a human who the Autobots befriend during their battle with the Decepticons on Earth. She had stowawayed on Magnus' ship and has been working with him for the past few years. They eventually meet with Springer who briefs them on their mission; free Garrus-9 from Decepticon control.

The remainder of the issue becomes character focused, letting the reader know about the characters, their personalities and quirks.

By the end of the first issue much is established (at least character-wise), such as the brutality and the ferocity of Overlord, and a keen eyed reader would notice that a character shown in the first page returns in the handful of final pages.

The 2nd issue shows the team preparing for their mission along with some more characerization and interaction between the cast, and like many stories have shown, nothing ever goes according to plan. One nice touch is the crew's reaction to Overlord, doesn't it seem familiar?
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That's as much as I'd like to write about the book, one can read the entire 5 issues digitally or in print via Comixology or various online retailers.

It should be noted that the Hardcover contains some additional text stories that serve to add more background to the characters in the book among others, such as characters that would end up appearing in MTMTE.

Once you've finished reading the book, a few of the writing styles or concepts of James Roberts' should become clear; referencing bits that appear early in an issue, as well as bringing up an event that occurs in previous issue and subverting it, or in the form of a call back. This can be observed when re-reading this story for example.

With LSotW, Roberts lay down the foundation for what MTMTE would build off of, as in LSotW he introduced many aspects and ideas that serve to expand on the lore of the TF series. Furthermore, his later work builds on blurring the lines between good and evil and how both factions and their allignments are seen as; are the Autobots really the paragons of good we've been seeing them as? Just how evil are the Decepticons?

All in all though Last Stand of the Wreckers is a good stand alone story, and a great introduction to James Roberts' Transformers comic run.

As an addendum, consider tracking down the one shot story Spotlight: Kup, which was written and drawn by Nick Roche. It serves as the motivation for Guzzle joining the team and remains an interesting stand alone issue.
 

yami4ct

Member
Yeah, if you're a MTMTE fan and after seeing that pic you don't rush out to buy them when they're released, I don't know what you're doing with your life. :)

I'm buying them and Rewind is dead on, but I'm not a huge fan of Chromedome's toy. It's a bit too G1 for me. MTMTE Chromedome has a much bulkier and imposing figure. He'd almost be better as a voyager, but at the very least I'd like the deluxe to be a bit more broad shouldered.

It's not a bad toy by any means, but it's not quite what I wanted.
 

MattKeil

BIGTIME TV MOGUL #2
I'm buying them and Rewind is dead on, but I'm not a huge fan of Chromedome's toy. It's a bit too G1 for me. MTMTE Chromedome has a much bulkier and imposing figure. He'd almost be better as a voyager, but at the very least I'd like the deluxe to be a bit more broad shouldered.

It's not a bad toy by any means, but it's not quite what I wanted.

I think it's because the IDW style Chromedome was already a club exclusive a year or two ago. I too would prefer a good quality non-remold IDW Domey.
 

yami4ct

Member
I think it's because the IDW style Chromedome was already a club exclusive a year or two ago. I too would prefer a good quality non-remold IDW Domey.

That one definitely is much closer to what I'd imagine an earth mode MTMTE Chromey would be like, but still doesn't quite hit it. I also wish it were cheaper so I could actually justify buying it.
 

Tizoc

Member
What is Transformers: More than Meets the Eye?
More Than Meets The Eye tells the story of an epic quest.
A quest to reclaim heritage, a quest for self discovery, a quest that would bring greatness to a civilization, that for eons had lost what made it a species.

Thankfully it's not all that melodramatic, because the entire 200 bot crew of the Lost Light on this so called 'epic quest' are the most pathetic and embarrassing bunch of losers you could ever write a book about.

When even Megatron realizes he done fucked up, AGAIN, you know these misfits really do get into the most absurd of situations

And it is the greatest comic you have yet to read.
 

MattKeil

BIGTIME TV MOGUL #2
I don't know if you want to give away to a new reader that Megatron becomes an Autobot. That's pretty far into the run.
 

Tizoc

Member
I don't know if you want to give away to a new reader that Megatron becomes an Autobot. That's pretty far into the run.
Oh i wont but there is a panel of whirl bringing to light the fact that he is surronded by has beens
Granted it is whirl who says but ti still stands
 

1upsuper

Member
So I finally bit the bullet and picked up gold masterpiece Megatron. I love this stupid thing. It's bigger than I expected and the gold looks better in person. The transformation is a little bit scary and very tedious, but I love it. The way the legs fold in and the way the arms wrap around for alt mode is really cool. I'm glad I picked it up.
 
Say what you will about Dark Cybertron, James Roberts still delivered
Now say that ringtone in Peter Cullen's voice.

He always delivers, a trite plotline can't keep him down. I wish someone made a collection of "Swerve's best moments", although it would be pretty close to "panels where Swerve speaks". The one about Decepticon combiners destroyed me.
 

Tizoc

Member
He always delivers, a trite plotline can't keep him down. I wish someone made a collection of "Swerve's best moments", although it would be pretty close to "panels where Swerve speaks". The one about Decepticon combiners destroyed me.
Because its truuuuuuuuuuuuuue!
Btw did u read the lsotw write up? Currently syruggling to get the mtmte write up done
 
Yep, I did. LSotW isn't among my favorite of Roberts' works (which is to say, it's simply "very good" as opposted to "life-redefining"). If you want I can give you a few suggestions:

1) Couple typos: "exagerration", "undettered".
2) I would omit all and any references to Overlord's personality and let the comic speak for itself, otherwise it kind of diminishes the impact. Especially this:
"the reaction from the soldiers should tell you everything you need to know about Overlord, with the ensuing pages cementing his sadistic and torture obsessed nature."
This makes the reader brace for the worst, while the pages in the preview are pretty tame (especially compared to later on). I would omit this paragrapth entirely, letting all the pages in Overlord's intro flow into each other (so, from "On the next page, every Autobot and Decepticon's worst nightmare descends on the scene; ", directly skip to "We next switch to a group of Autobots"
3) I would also try to subtly hint at the hidden purpose of the Wrecker's mission, without giving it away, obviously, or even just in general how this comic digs out more dirt on the Autobots (between
the Aequitas trials, the Wreckers' past, and Prowl hiding it all
) than practically the total sum of Transformers fiction until then. This gray and black morality was kind of the one thing that set it apart from most of it, after all.
 

Tizoc

Member
Yep, I did. LSotW isn't among my favorite of Roberts' works (which is to say, it's simply "very good" as opposted to "life-redefining"). If you want I can give you a few suggestions:

1) Couple typos: "exagerration", "undettered".
2) I would omit all and any references to Overlord's personality and let the comic speak for itself, otherwise it kind of diminishes the impact. Especially this:
"the reaction from the soldiers should tell you everything you need to know about Overlord, with the ensuing pages cementing his sadistic and torture obsessed nature."
This makes the reader brace for the worst, while the pages in the preview are pretty tame (especially compared to later on). I would omit this paragrapth entirely, letting all the pages in Overlord's intro flow into each other (so, from "On the next page, every Autobot and Decepticon's worst nightmare descends on the scene; ", directly skip to "We next switch to a group of Autobots"
3) I would also try to subtly hint at the hidden purpose of the Wrecker's mission, without giving it away, obviously, or even just in general how this comic digs out more dirt on the Autobots (between
the Aequitas trials, the Wreckers' past, and Prowl hiding it all
) than practically the total sum of Transformers fiction until then. This gray and black morality was kind of the one thing that set it apart from most of it, after all.
Thanks ill aim to fix up both write ups i due time :3
How farfetched would it be to say that comic explores the dichotimy of good and evil? Oh and inreread it just now and i keep forgetting to praise the primary reason roberts' work is so good; his writing style and dialog
I need to focus on that more.
 
Thanks ill aim to fix up both write ups i due time :3
How farfetched would it be to say that comic explores the dichotimy of good and evil? Oh and inreread it just now and i keep forgetting to praise the primary reason roberts' work is so good; his writing style and dialog
I need to focus on that more.

Yeah, his dialog is simply god-tier. Unfortunately LSotW doesn't show it off as much as MTMTE does, probably since it was his first comic.
I would not particularly mention that dichotomy, it sounds pretentious to anyone who hasn't read the comic, it's too generic and it actually sells short the comic IMHO. But of course that's just my opinion. :)
 

MattKeil

BIGTIME TV MOGUL #2
Yeah, his dialog is simply god-tier. Unfortunately LSotW doesn't show it off as much as MTMTE does, probably since it was his first comic.
I would not particularly mention that dichotomy, it sounds pretentious to anyone who hasn't read the comic, it's too generic and it actually sells short the comic IMHO. But of course that's just my opinion. :)

No, I agree. Overall my main suggestion would be not to oversell it in general. Yes, these are really good stories with top notch writing. No, it's not wise to build up lofty expectations in new readers, even when you know the material is up to it. Let them discover it on their own a bit more. Be insistent on its quality, but not gushing about it.
 
No, I agree. Overall my main suggestion would be not to oversell it in general. Yes, these are really good stories with top notch writing. No, it's not wise to build up lofty expectations in new readers, even when you know the material is up to it. Let them discover it on their own a bit more. Be insistent on its quality, but not gushing about it.

Yep, that's the thing. Hyping things up almost never fails to diminish the actual enjoyment one would get from them, and even set people against them in the first place. See how many people dislike Undertale without having even played it because of all the people constantly overhyping it (for the record, I love Undertale but was lucky enough to play it before it went memetic).
 
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