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Trevor Noah interviews scary white blonde woman on The Daily Show
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Slurpy2k20
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Shitting on, mocking, and dismissing the plight of minorities whose experience she knows fuck-all about has EVERYTHING to do with the fact that she's a young, attractive blonde that did not in any way suffer like the people she's mocking and claiming to be "crybabies", "terrorists", and "the KKK". So yeah, it's relevant. This glossy, dolled up barbie ranting and raving angrily against those who are suffering is so ghoulish and despicable.
Yep. There are certain cases where it is important to point out racial, sex, and class differences. For example, it's also worth scrutinizing abortion and other women's-health related legislation that is created by a male majority. You can't throw out what a person says just because of the way they look, or who they are, but if you consider what is said with the knowledge of what the speaker's experience likely isas a person white, straight, attractive, etcwhich is often a far different experience than the people directly impacted by social and political oppression, you may begin to realize that maybe, maybe she don't really have the full set of tools she needs to work through the issues she's proselytizing.
Not Spaceghost
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She is the most oblivious person I have ever seen. To be directly confronted with their own lapses in logic and say naahh that isn't the same is absolutely infuriating ti behold.
The worst part is she's never going to back down from this or change herself, she's only going to dig herself deeper into this stance as time goes on. She genuinely cannot be reasoned with because she will never admit to being wrong, and that's the part that makes me the saddest.
The worst part is she's never going to back down from this or change herself, she's only going to dig herself deeper into this stance as time goes on. She genuinely cannot be reasoned with because she will never admit to being wrong, and that's the part that makes me the saddest.
onadesertedisland
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Arguing with this kind of person is impossible, because they lack reason.
Slurpy2k20
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Your dishonest attempts at twisting what people are saying for your own agenda are pretty tiresome. People have a problem about what she fucking says, not what she looks like. But it just so HAPPENS that when we're talking about race issues, and those who have the authority and experience to speak about them, her gender/looks/privilege ALSO matters. But, glad that you find this more offensive than the vitriol she spews, which you seem to have no problem with.
You are getting hung up on
Me! said:
When the important part is
There is no reason to think that every blond white woman is oblivious to the disparities in treatment of whites vs treatment of minorities. But when a blond white woman shows that kind of cluelessness, and shows that she is ill informed, we can begin to speculate about why she is ill informed. Like maybe because she is a white woman she doesn't really get the experience of the people she is criticizing.
onadesertedisland
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I think it's more she is a puppet.
EdibleKnife
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he said "the model" not "a model"
like that person is a "the model of a horrible human being" (an example of )
not a fashion model.
Interview for UK viewers here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2xv4fba65U
God, the audience pissed me off. Stop hooting and cheering every time Trevor counters her argument, it's obnoxious and ruins the flow of the conversation. I'd like to listen to two people talking and weigh up their arguments without people whooping every time their opinion gets affirmed.
Anyway, disregarding that, it was a good interview. Noah called her out on her many contradictory positions ("I don't see colour") and her inability to present solutions rather than calling out problems (the repeated "how should black people protest" questions). He was at his best when giving her the chance to speak and then clearly, calmly demonstrating why her positions are either simplistic, hypocritical or needlessly inflammatory. He let himself down when making meaningless semantic arguments ("How many people is it?") or making fun of her, even if he is a comedian and the impulse is understandable. Debating serious issues on his turf, it just seemed petulant. He could have told the audience to shut up as well, as Stephen Colbert did when he had one of his Republican guests on.
Nevertheless, it's great he had her on the show and showed how ideologically-motivated positions such as hers could be dismantled with calm logic rather than shouting. The bigger problem is that, with less apocalyptic vehemence, the left makes the same sorts of generalisations - think of the reaction to the NotAllMen hashtag, which was widely hated on despite making the same essential argument Noah was making - and has the same focus on blame and seeking out feedback loops of self-confirmation rather than addressing problems in their full complexity to find solutions. Noah's points are entirely salient and correct, the wider problem is that it's a universal issue that neither side is willing to recognise their participation in as long as they can call themselves the calm, rational good guys and the other side pure, uncomplicated evil.
God, the audience pissed me off. Stop hooting and cheering every time Trevor counters her argument, it's obnoxious and ruins the flow of the conversation. I'd like to listen to two people talking and weigh up their arguments without people whooping every time their opinion gets affirmed.
Anyway, disregarding that, it was a good interview. Noah called her out on her many contradictory positions ("I don't see colour") and her inability to present solutions rather than calling out problems (the repeated "how should black people protest" questions). He was at his best when giving her the chance to speak and then clearly, calmly demonstrating why her positions are either simplistic, hypocritical or needlessly inflammatory. He let himself down when making meaningless semantic arguments ("How many people is it?") or making fun of her, even if he is a comedian and the impulse is understandable. Debating serious issues on his turf, it just seemed petulant. He could have told the audience to shut up as well, as Stephen Colbert did when he had one of his Republican guests on.
Nevertheless, it's great he had her on the show and showed how ideologically-motivated positions such as hers could be dismantled with calm logic rather than shouting. The bigger problem is that, with less apocalyptic vehemence, the left makes the same sorts of generalisations - think of the reaction to the NotAllMen hashtag, which was widely hated on despite making the same essential argument Noah was making - and has the same focus on blame and seeking out feedback loops of self-confirmation rather than addressing problems in their full complexity to find solutions. Noah's points are entirely salient and correct, the wider problem is that it's a universal issue that neither side is willing to recognise their participation in as long as they can call themselves the calm, rational good guys and the other side pure, uncomplicated evil.
Maybe! That's pretty evil. Probably more likely she is motivated by something else, like recognition or publicity, and she will say what her audience wants to hear, or what the opposition does not want to hear, because that's what gets people fired up, and keeps her relevant.
PlayALLtheGames
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I love that people think Tomi is somehow a "new" voice of conservatism.
She is just like any ignorant, old, white trash piece of shit except in the body of a 24-year-old. Says the exact same things; uses the exact same arguments.
She is just like any ignorant, old, white trash piece of shit except in the body of a 24-year-old. Says the exact same things; uses the exact same arguments.
She is a more attractive surrogate, which seems to be the thing now.
BrutishMrFish
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I'm not sure what you're getting so offended about.
Pointing out that white blonde women who spout bullshit are popular in Republican circles is a way to explain why she got so big. Ann Coulter, Megyn Kelly, Kellyanne Conway, Kayleigh McEnany, and now Tomi Lahren, they all fit the mold.
It's not racism, if that's what you're trying to get at. It's pointing out a trend that's no different from noticing that the vast majority of Paul Ryan and Mike Pence's staffers are white.
Good response. To the first point, I'd say that the tactic might not work too well for most interviewers, but in this instance? When the interviewer is an immigrant that lived through Apartheid? I don't think comparing personal notes on discrimination is gonna work out in the pretty white blonde girl's favor, call me crazy.
To the second point, absolutely, it's a constant source of frustration to me that social progressives often just let a lot of the other side's bullshit talking points slide on by because they don't have the facts that refute them on deck and ready to deploy. This happens all over this interview and many others like it. Not engaging and moving on to the next topic is very easily construed as ceding the point. If the opposition can get all their canned rhetoric and ways to circle around into it so clear in their heads, you have to get some clear counterexamples that smack them down in yours if you're attempting to win arguments and sway some minds.
And seriously, if the current topic isn't resolved well, fuck moving on to the next topic. Interviews, especially long-form ones like this, shouldn't be approached like a series of train stops that need to be strictly adhered to. If your opponent closes out a topic with some blatant bullshit, don't give that "hm well agree to disagree," [interviewer gives implied "get a load of this idiot, right guys?" head shake towards already sympathetic audience] deflection and shoo off into the next topic. The people that need to be brought to sense on the topics don't interpret that as a victory, they see it as a retreat. They see it as the other person getting the last word and you not being able to engage it.
Now, I can understand where you have to move on at some point after a handful of passes on the same topic, but it shouldn't get one pass. Keep it going a bit, make them uncomfortable, make them have to rephrase their talking points more and against a wider variety of counterpoints than they're used to engaging on a single topic. Give them plenty of rope to hang themselves. There's a pretty good chance you can bait a Marco Rubio 'broken record' moment out of them if you get them going on the same topic long enough, their bag of canned responses doesn't have a whole lot of depth, and they're not used to people exploiting that. Because the people usually challenging them have an overriding priority to hit all the points on the piece of paper in front of them.
Noah finally resisted the urge on the "what should a black person do to protest?" question, and surprise surprise, it's the part where Tomi comes off the worst for transparently trying to deflect and circumvent multiple times. That sort of pressing shouldn't be a one-time thing, though, it should be a constant.
I mean, she truly does wholeheartedly believe in herself which makes her seem like very solid debater. But Trevor poked her arguments full of holes and it's not like it was difficult for him to do so.
Between this and the Joe McKnight thread I can already say I find your schtick tiresome.
Aztechnology
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I was listening to an NPR segment where they had Trevor on the other day. He really is an amazing guy. He speaks eight freaking languages. That's personal a goal of mine. Not to speak that many necessarily, but to become a polyglot.
She fits the type of alt right salesman perfectly. I wouldn't be surprised if she ends up on fox news with the rest of them, working to brainwash the masses.
I don't know how to think about these kinds of people. I never know how much of it is a business decision to act a certain way or how much of it is really them. Same goes for people on the left, too. Are they genuine or trying to make money? I get that the white supremacists are insane, genuinely so, but not sure about the money making apparatus around them. Are they just trying to profit from the situation? Do they go home at night and secretly think rational thoughts?
Ultramantaro1
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Young Ann Coulter. Same talking points and attitude. Probably just an act to rile up a fanbase and get press, but you never know. She might really believe the shits she spouts.
I was getting all worked up about this then I looked it up.
Lol, 23?
It shows.
She doesn't even critically think about the worldview she's pushing. Her points are shouted and supported by emotion.
She would be eviscerated in debate class.
That being said, I've taken shits older than her that have made more sense.
Lol, 23?
It shows.
She doesn't even critically think about the worldview she's pushing. Her points are shouted and supported by emotion.
She would be eviscerated in debate class.
That being said, I've taken shits older than her that have made more sense.
lyrick
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She's from west river SoDak (iirc Rapid City). There's a reason East River Dakota people have to go out of their way to try and isolate themselves from the sickness that is pervasive on the other side of the state, even though many of the east river views are not much better.
Being educated in the state that literally has the lowest paid teachers in the entire country didn't do her any favors.
Chie Satonaka
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Holy shit, I heard this on a local radio show about a week ago.
I literally couldn't comprehend what I was hearing. How bad does the disconnect have to be for someone to actually believe that? I don't get it.
The second Trevor backed her into a corner over what Freedom of Speech actually entailed, she swung into emotional patriot mode.
I'm trying to figure out how to get every white person I know to sit down and watch 13th with me
No, she literally said "I don't protest." That was her only definitive answer.
Thus, black people just shouldn't protest.
American values, indeed.
Conservative women ain't allowed to have brown hair unless they're running for office. In that scenario, the master race isn't required to ogle her, just manipulate her.
University of Las Vegas '14 though
There are definitely intelligent conservatives. I've talked and debated with them in the past, and respect their point of view and even been convinced of a few things.
Then there's this. When people say that Trump supporters are idiots, it's because a huge swath of them follow people and "news" outlets like this.
Then there's this. When people say that Trump supporters are idiots, it's because a huge swath of them follow people and "news" outlets like this.
Muppet of a Man
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I always ask myself these same questions. And if they do go home at night and do think rational thoughts that they believe to be true but then go out and spit hatred in a calculated, premeditated manner just to make money, they are all the more evil for it.
Kibbles
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TMZ just showed Trevor and her having a drink together last night.
Tbh I think she held her own. Obviously I sided with Trevor and her "I don't see color" bs made me lol playing right off Colbert's character. But I don't think he eviscerated her like some are suggesting, I don't see the interview changing anyone's opinions on her. He said what most of us think she said what most of them think. It was pretty meh.
Tbh I think she held her own. Obviously I sided with Trevor and her "I don't see color" bs made me lol playing right off Colbert's character. But I don't think he eviscerated her like some are suggesting, I don't see the interview changing anyone's opinions on her. He said what most of us think she said what most of them think. It was pretty meh.
Kibbles
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Yeah I gotta agree actually
No, it's cognitive bias. You just latch onto anything that fits your worldview, and if anything starts to challenge it, desperately seek out people who appear smart or famous to affirm it.
I remember myself doing this very well. She's my age; I imagine her views never received much pushback getting to where she is now, so it's what I just described times a factor of ten.
I think it takes a while after you become famous for the opportunistic cynicism to set in, if it ever does. I believe no one behind embedded conservative media desks can be exposed to that many rational conflicting arguments over that long and personally maintain that ideology, but that's the optimist in me.
perfectchaos007
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She couldn't answer a pretty important question- What is the 'right' way for people to protest?
She attempted to deflect multiple times but couldn't address it. Since it's basically the entire basis of her position, that's a pretty big deal.
Chie Satonaka
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Kor of Memory
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Does this surprise you?
People in the entertainment new industry typically have to get along and be friendly.
Hell, even John Stewart and Bill O'Riely were pretty friendly off air.
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