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[foxuzamaki]

I really liked the segment, my only problem is i felt he should have challenged her positions more but that most likely is because they were on a time limit, so he has to get all his questions out the way, I kinda wish they dedicated the show to this specific segment so he could ask all the questions he wanted and continue to say what he wanted to say without having to move on to the next topic.

 

[Lord Frieza]

Finally got around to watching this interview.

Honestly, it reminded me lot of Trump and Clinton's debates, and not in a good way. Trevor did fine, and if we had a dem as the President elect, I'd probably be fist pumping along with this thread, but he didn't dismantle her in a way that would convince anyone that's a part of her audience to change their views. In the same way, Clinton thoroughly embarrassed Trump on stage, made him look unhinged even, but his supporters still walked away saying he won the debates. Maybe that's an impossible task no matter what but I think Trevor would have been better off focusing solely on one or two issues instead of jumping around so many topics. It gave her ample opportunity to squirm past any pressure Trevor applied.

At this point in time, it is 100%. A veil is really over a lot of people's eyes in this country, this election has shown, and it's going to take something really serious to uncover it. Any convincing of wordplay and debate is meaningless in our current environment.

 

[Trigonometrize.]

Her love for the flag is just pure cringe.

 

[Jumplion]

Honestly, I think people aren't giving enough credit to Trevor, he handled himself extremely well. He's not going to change anybody's opinion like a switch, but keeping his cool, trying to hear her out (while never accepting her viewpoints) and trying to sincerely understand her fakakta viewpoints, I think helps legitimize himself as an interviewer. He didn't smack it out of the ballpark, but he hit back enough times at the right moments to show the cracks while acting calmly and empathetically, showing the lack of empathy in her.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

I'm convinced she doesn't believe what she's saying. She's too focused on the talking points and is scared to deviate even a little bit from her ultra conservative audience. She doesn't want to piss them off

With respect (because I'm sure it wasn't your intention), this is like one of those posts fro people who voted for Trump because he probably doesn't mean what he says.

No, she means every word of it. Her entire being now simply rejects or sidesteps challenge by default. Facts are only important if they can be parsed and reduced to a degree that it furthers her point, otherwise they aren't facts or aren't important. She's one of those "I don't see color" and "I won't let myself be a victim" people who consequently believes that if you see color you're probably racist and if you're left-leaning, you probably do too much coddling and pretending to be a victim.

"I made it so why can't you?" types without being interested in hearing the answer to the question. One who has never had to explore the depths of issues but has a mouth big enough to go on at length wielding little more than a surface impression of social and societal problems 400 years in the making.

For someone so interested in talking about so many public policy, social and societal issues, I've yet to see any documentation, published research or even just a deep working familiarity with the history of her own country ("what did the KKK do?") to justify the confidence and haughtiness in which she speaks on these subjects. It's just a loud, confident, acutely ignorant voice, giving itching ears what they want to hear and making them feel safe and comfortable in their own ignorances and biases.

 

[justjim89]

Trevor still needs his "Roll 212" moment, but this is a good early attempt. He wasn't as incisive as Stewart could be, and I think he was doing his best to be polite and accommodating as a host, lest he come across as an angry black man to any of her viewers tuning in.

But this probably only happened because Noah needed the ratings. His Daily Show can't be doing much better than the Nightly Show did, and he needed a big interview to go viral and get people tuning in. This doesn't seem like it was it.

 

[The Boat]

Damn, this is a spectacularly stupid person.

 

[GrizzleBoy]

When you give a person like this a platform and don't challenge them, you are basically removing yourself from the discussion.

Tomi Lahren went on this show and spouted whatever bullshit she wanted to spout.

And that's basically it.

People who don't like racist fucks already didn't like her.

Racist fucks will hear more about her and get her more publicity, from this publicity.


Nothing really positive happened here I don't think.

 

[Pbae]

When you give a person like this a platform and don't challenge them, you are basically removing yourself from the discussion.

Tomi Lahren went on this show and spouted whatever bullshit she wanted to spout.

And that's basically it.

People who don't like racist fucks already didn't like her.

Racist fucks will hear more about her and get her more publicity, from this publicity.


Nothing really positive happened here I don't think.

I disagree. I think Trevor set the pace and allowed her non answers to poison her own brand and base. Trevor didn't seem hostile and was very diplomatic which is important when you want to appeal to future guest that might be hesitant to come on if they feel they could be targeted. It was really a death by your own sword kind of interview for me.

 

[FortuneFaded]

When you give a person like this a platform and don't challenge them

How didn't he challenge her?

 

[LordOfChaos]

"I'm a millennial"
Me: Wait, no, let me check her age...Holy shit.

She's younger than me? Welp. I guess my brain just doesn't expect that much, you know, conservatism from someone younger than myself. Wouldn't have blinked if someone said she was 32 or something.

And as much as I don't like her she's probably made more money doing this shit at 24 years old than I ever will in a year doing anything, lol

 

[GrizzleBoy]

I disagree. I think Trevor set the pace and allowed her non answers to poison her own brand and base. Trevor didn't seem hostile and was very diplomatic which is important when you want to appeal to future guest that might be hesitant to come on if they feel they could be targeted. It was really a death by your own sword kind of interview for me.

I agree, but as I said, people who aren't racist fucks already don't like her and racist fucks will see her spouting her same BS and feel she did right by them.

People already don't like racist fucks. Racist fucks already don't like people who don't like racist fucks.

No convincing was done here.

But she did get more air time, and more publicity. Not a positive balance imo.

How didn't he challenge her?

He didn't present many counter arguments to her BS. I acknowledge he didn't just lie down, but he was pretty lenient imo.

 

[theignoramus]

I disagree. I think Trevor set the pace and allowed her non answers to poison her own brand and base. Trevor didn't seem hostile and was very diplomatic which is important when you want to appeal to future guest that might be hesitant to come on if they feel they could be targeted. It was really a death by your own sword kind of interview for me.

Then he tweeted out a polite "you're welcome back on the show anytime." I just question the strength of your core principles if you're willing to be chummy with someone who sees people of your race as criminals and moral degenerates.
I can understand having a measured tone in an interview, but the friendly overtures afterward? Hell no.

 

[airmangataosenai]

Trevor still needs his "Roll 212" moment, but this is a good early attempt. He wasn't as incisive as Stewart could be, and I think he was doing his best to be polite and accommodating as a host, lest he come across as an angry black man to any of her viewers tuning in.

But this probably only happened because Noah needed the ratings. His Daily Show can't be doing much better than the Nightly Show did, and he needed a big interview to go viral and get people tuning in. This doesn't seem like it was it.

Looking at my newsfeed says otherwise. This has gotten more mainstream press attention than anything he has done in some time.

He was slow to come to it but I truly feel he has found his voice and has figured out what his audience both wants and needs from him.

 

[Angelus Errare]

Trevor did exactly what so many people suggest minorities do. Empathise, reach across the isle, etc. Yet people still are unhappy with how he spoke to her.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

I just question the strength of your core principles if you're willing to be chummy with someone who sees people of your race as criminals and moral degenerates.

The only way to even have an opportunity to communicate with her base of followers is to have conversations with her. If they prove unproductive in the end, then you can simply stop inviting her. Same reason Bill Maher continues to invite Ann Coulter to his show after all these years. It's not because he's a fan of hers, you know?

Trevor did exactly what so many people suggest minorities do. Empathise, reach across the isle, etc. Yet people still are unhappy with how he spoke to her.

Some people think this sort of communication is weakness. Prob same people that say Obama was a soft President.

 

[Maiden Voyage]

I'm embarrassed that she claims to represent the midwest. I promise you, we are not all like her.

 

[LucidMomentum]

"I'm a millennial"
Me: Wait, no, let me check her age...Holy shit.

And as much as I don't like her she's probably made more money doing this shit at 24 years old than I ever will in a year doing anything, lol

Wait, she's my age.

What the fuck.

 

[Schlep]

I kind of feel like for every bullshit right wing stat you need about 3 related stats to disprove it. The kind of memory and research it takes to go against that stuff is just too much.

Doesn't matter. Your stats can be from the New York Times, Harvard, and AP. Those are 'mainstream media' and 'liberal elites', so anything they say is patently false. It's honestly not even worth engaging.

I'm embarrassed that she claims to represent the midwest. I promise you, we are not all like her.

As someone born in South Dakota and living in DFW, I'm offended by her.

 

[LordOfChaos]

Wait, she's my age.

What the fuck.

What are we doing with our lives

I gotta get into the spreading hate for money industry

 

[Dram]

I gotta get into the spreading hate for money industry

I think that's what bothers me the most about her, as it really proves you can become financially successful in the US by constantly shitting on minorities.

 

[RDreamer]

I think that's what bothers me the most about her, as it really proves you can become financially successful in the US by constantly shitting on minorities.

You can be president of the US by constantly shitting on minorities.

 

[cordy]

Charlamagne comments on Tomi again lmao.

https://www.facebook.com/breakfastclubam/videos/573052812904695/

 

[ryseing]

Yeah, I don't understand the criticism of Trevor. Does Lahren deserve to be attacked and condemned for the horrible things she's said? Absolutely. But as we've seen, that doesn't work when conversations need to be had.

You can disagree with someone without needing to condemn every word that comes out of their mouth or giving into them.

 

[jerry113]

These things are pointless because neither Trevor nor Tomei are going to convince anyone from the other side to join theirs.

 

[Jag]

These things are pointless because neither Trevor nor Tomei are going to convince anyone from the other side to join theirs.

No, but he makes good arguments that are helpful to counter some of the crazy arguments people make.

 

[pirata]

These things are pointless because neither Trevor nor Tomei are going to convince anyone from the other side to join theirs.

Know thy enemy.

 

[Slurpy2k20]

Tomi Lahren was the guest on this night's episode of The Daily Show, and they went over a variety of topics ranging from Black Lives Matter to Colin Kaepernick. Trevor basically bodied her. Definitely one of his best moments on the show so far.

Check out the full 26 minute interview here.

It greatly angers me that this worthless individual, who has zero accomplishments or credentials besides being attractive and ranting angrily, gets validated and legitimized enough to appear on the Daily Show. Tomi Lahren is fucking pathetic, in every sense of the word. A naive, young, privileged little shit that has somehow made a career out of angrily mocking and dismissing the real suffering and concerns of others, when she is enduring absolutely none of that suffering, and doesn't have a faintest fucking clue of what she's yapping about. And yet, she's gonna be raking in the dough for a long time, and is considered a fucking "hero" by many. She's a fucking narcissistic, attention-whoring troll that embodies the worst character traits known to mankind. It's obvious she wouldn't be getting a tenth of the attention she is were it not for her gender and looks.

 

[TaterTots]

She did better than I thought she would. I was expecting her to throw her hands in his face and scream at the top of her lungs.

 

[HP_Wuvcraft]

her supporters are applauding her for "taking it like a champ" when really he was just showing her the error of her ways

It really goddamn amazes me that there are people that think just hanging in there is winning a debate/argument.

 

[The One and Done™]

She's such a shit person.

 

[Slurpy2k20]

I didn't see a trouncing. I saw a skilled bullshit artist demonstrate her powers of deflection against a sharp host asking the right questions.

People like her are scary because they can mask the insidious core of their message with circular word games. Even when you see right through it, you can't really argue against it because they'll parry any contradicting facts and then swing the conversation back around to their canned talking points.

Debates with such people are an exercise in frustration. Idiots are dazzled by the confident delivery and feel validated in their bullshit, and the informed and critically minded have to endure the sight of yet another fast talking charlatan profiting from the most audacious lies.

Beautifully said.

 

[Bruce Springsteen]

I didn't see a trouncing. I saw a skilled bullshit artist demonstrate her powers of deflection against a sharp host asking the right questions.

People like her are scary because they can mask the insidious core of their message with circular word games. Even when you see right through it, you can't really argue against it because they'll parry any contradicting facts and then swing the conversation back around to their canned talking points.

Debates with such people are an exercise in frustration. Idiots are dazzled by the confident delivery and feel validated in their bullshit, and the informed and critically minded have to endure the sight of yet another fast talking charlatan profiting from the most audacious lies.

Yup, she deflected everything thrown her way, answered nothing directly and most importantly, she got in all her talking points and sound bites. That's all she aimed to do, regardless of what Trevor Noah was going to ask her. He could've asked her about nothing but her favorite food and she would've given the exact answers

 

[Slurpy2k20]

Yeah, Charlamagne went on her show and afterwards they became cool with each other. Although he disagrees with every point of hers he's still friends since, I assume, it's because he gets a direct view of the opposing side.

Here's their 18min long interview

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnRgvtdlNHw

Charlamagne wrecked her too.

I just realized that the most infuriating about Lahren is how she fucking lectures the other person who clearly knows a shitload more about the subject, as if she's in a position to lecture, being completely out of her depth as she's still basically in diapers. And yet, she comes off as an angry school teacher belittling her students. The lack of humility is vomit inducing.

 

[Shig]

I just realized that the most infuriating about Lahren is how she fucking lectures the other person who clearly knows a shitload more about the subject, as if she's in a position to lecture, being completely out of her depth as she's still basically in diapers. And yet, she comes off as an angry school teacher belittling her students. The lack of humility is vomit inducing.

Yeah, that's really at the heart of it. I'm thinking the best way to dismantle her and her ilk is not to stick to the hot button talking points that they have well-rehearsed responses they can funnel towards, but to get personal and say "Give me some examples that support why you think you have an uphill climb greater than others. What adversity have you triumphed over in your life?"

Odds are the answer will indict them much more reliably than their canned positions on the news of the day.

 

[Fantastical]

"I'm a millennial"
Me: Wait, no, let me check her age...Holy shit.

She's younger than me? Welp. I guess my brain just doesn't expect that much, you know, conservatism from someone younger than myself. Wouldn't have blinked if someone said she was 32 or something.

And as much as I don't like her she's probably made more money doing this shit at 24 years old than I ever will in a year doing anything, lol

Even if she was 32 she would still be a millennial.

 

[JP_]

Yeah, Charlamagne went on her show and afterwards they became cool with each other. Although he disagrees with every point of hers he's still friends since, I assume, it's because he gets a direct view of the opposing side.

Here's their 18min long interview

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnRgvtdlNHw

Charlamagne wrecked her too.

I preferred this. Going to her platform to challenge her, and a bit more aggressive in terms of making the points, albeit in less control by not being the host.

 

[thetrin]

Her love for the flag is just pure cringe.

It's straight up bizarre. She talks about it like she's in a cult.

 

[JP_]

Yeah, that's really at the heart of it. I'm thinking the best way to dismantle her and her ilk is not to stick to the hot button talking points that they have well-rehearsed responses they can funnel towards, but to get personal and say "Give me some examples that support why you think you have an uphill climb greater than others. What adversity have you triumphed over in your life?"

Odds are the answer will indict them much more reliably than their canned positions on the news of the day.

Not sure what you're suggesting, but they can rattle on about how they think they're discriminated against. You heard her make a fuss over being called a "racist cracker" as if it was the n word. They'll mention affirmative action and how they're always being called racist and other cultures are trying to change America instead of assimilating. It's all bullshit but I certainly don't think it'll stump them.

But I like that you point out their canned responses. I think the key is to prepare for those. They're predictable enough that we should be able to strategize around them. Find the correct counter points, most effective framing, tone etc. Overwhelm them with citations and facts to contrast with their vague claims. I think that's where he was strongest -- pointing out the facts about black power leaders and their nuanced use of violence. I think it could have been taken further -- point out that she calls them a terrorist group because that's how the racist police framed it at the time. The fbi didn't just investigate black panthers, the fbi conspired against MLK too -- they try to hide that now. Black panthers spent far more resources fighting crime in their own communities, serving meals, helping people vote and get access to education etc. Beyoncé can celebrate a nuanced view of black panthers just like Americans can have a nuanced view of America despite all the awful shit it's done.

 

[f0nz0]

I'm not sure of his lack of eye contact with her

Either he knew he was logically winning the conversation and didn't want to be perceived as a bully

Or he was nervous and knew no matter what he said she had her hard line and would spew her nonsense rhetoric right back

 

[Guamu]

I have a problem with this tweet. This woman promotes views that are malicious, damaging & socially regressive. Why is he acting like this is some kind of casual disagreement? The lady supports unarmed Blacks being shot by cops & distorts history to push White supremacist propaganda. This isnt a game & this is not a matter of casual disagreement to be laughed off. And no,we dont have treat "respect" the opinions of the alt-right. This is yet more normalisation of them.

For what is worth, it was in response to this:

To my fans: Trevor Noah is not a douche or a jerk. To Trevor's fans: I'm not a bitch or c*nt. We are people with opposing views. That's it.

 

[Rumblebones]

I disagree. I think Trevor set the pace and allowed her non answers to poison her own brand and base. Trevor didn't seem hostile and was very diplomatic which is important when you want to appeal to future guest that might be hesitant to come on if they feel they could be targeted. It was really a death by your own sword kind of interview for me.

I feel this is it. Trevor changed the subject whenever she said something profoundly stupid, which happened often, and rather than allow her to elaborate or defend her bullshit with word games, he let her tie her own noose and hang herself by making herself known to be so woefully misinformed on multiple fronts.

 

[leroidys]

What appointment do you think Trump is going to offer her?

 

[JohnDoe]

What appointment do you think Trump is going to offer her?

Head in the Oval Office

 

[Keasar]

Yeah, Charlamagne went on her show and afterwards they became cool with each other. Although he disagrees with every point of hers he's still friends since, I assume, it's because he gets a direct view of the opposing side.

Here's their 18min long interview

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnRgvtdlNHw

Charlamagne wrecked her too.

Woooooow. She has truly deserved this.

Tomi Lahren, congratulations:

You're now in the Hall of Cunts next to Ayn Rand. Few gets this honour.

 

[manakel]

Yeah, I don't understand the criticism of Trevor. Does Lahren deserve to be attacked and condemned for the horrible things she's said? Absolutely. But as we've seen, that doesn't work when conversations need to be had.

You can disagree with someone without needing to condemn every word that comes out of their mouth or giving into them.

Say it louder for the people in the back!

Trevor was eloquent and perfectly articulated his condemnation of Tomi and her followers without the need to berate her and get into an outright screaming match. Doing such would hinder progress, as much as I'd like to do it sometimes.

 

[B0SS607]

Why the need to merely identify her as a white woman and her hair-type?

The implications of that seem to be you're trying to put her in a preconceived box.

How can this place obsess over this stuff so much and still be so guilty of the things you're constantly on the witch hunt for?

I'll never understand.

 

[onadesertedisland]

It's as if her head has been filled with talking points, and she repeats them like a toy with stored sayings. I don't see cognition between her speech and her thought.

 

[Red]

Why the need to merely identify her as a white woman and her hair-type?

The implications of that seem to be you're trying to put her in a preconceived box.

How can this place obsess over this stuff so much and still be so guilty of the things you're constantly on the witch hunt for?

I'll never understand.

It is maybe because she fits the model of a certain ideal woman, and at the same time engages in belittling the concerns of minorities and deriding their attempts at social justice.

 

[Ouroboros]

Got a lot of Jon Stewart vibes from this interview. I've always been a proponent for Tevor. I hope he stays on TDS for a long time.