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They're the best thing the WWE has produced in the past decade. I'm not sure how many there have been, but the more recent ones feature Nash.
I don't believe they do them anymore, due to 24/7 going down, but I hope they bring it back for the network.
SpikedGunner
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smfh...yea, I'm not going to watch.
...Okay, I might watch this part.
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
I really hope they don't turn AJ face. Dear god she'd be lost so fast in that diva shuffle. Having the nerdy heel couple that constantly outsmarts the faces, I don't mind it at all because Bryan pulls it off. They aren't going to do it though which is a crying shame.
Don't mind the main event at all.
bean breath
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Perspicacity
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CM Punk is still cutting some of the best promos in the company.
Unfortunately he's only doing it on WWE.com to an audience of dozens. Blame stupid television booking and the awful markets WWE tends to run
Unfortunately he's only doing it on WWE.com to an audience of dozens. Blame stupid television booking and the awful markets WWE tends to run
Someone needs to drop some pipe bombs on Teddy.
The Rock tells a story on Leno about his backstage promo at Survivor Series:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vXXW9fwAc4#t=7m35s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vXXW9fwAc4#t=7m35s
ViewtifulJC
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lol that GTS didn't even come close but Ziggler sold it like the wrath of GOd
UberTag
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WWE would rather run TV in dead markets that will behave the way they want them to or sit on their hands in absolute silence than run TV in unruly places like Toronto.
When it comes to selling offense, Mr. Ziggles is the best in the world at what he does. Certainly not Punk or Jericho... although they clearly excel in other ways.
cocaine michaels > ziggler > recent michaels
Recent Michaels doesn't count, man.
ViewtifulJC
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when Ziggler gets a ***** match out of the Undertaker, he'll be on recent Michaels level
UberTag
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New gimmick for Ziggles...
He hits his head in an angle, suffers amnesia and then believes he has been possessed by the spirit of Shawn Michaels. He walks like Shawn, he dances like Shawn, he sells like Shawn, he hits a superkick like Shawn, he comes out to Shawn's entrance music, he refers to Vickie as "Sensational Sherri"... all sorts of hilarity ensues.
All the better because Shawn's still alive.
HBK needs to come back and have a match with Ziggler to put him over. The amount of overselling would be legendary.
Reneledarker
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Pretty good 3 way on FCW featuring Leake vs Ambrose vs Rollins, whit bonus commentary from Regal.
Also the interaction between Ambrose and Regal was amazing, their rematch is probably one of my most anticipated matches of 2012.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXA6flm0baA&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9G9qrWrjW4&feature=related
Also the interaction between Ambrose and Regal was amazing, their rematch is probably one of my most anticipated matches of 2012.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXA6flm0baA&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9G9qrWrjW4&feature=related
god damn
Mr. Enigma
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Punk really needs to stop doing that move.
ViewtifulJC
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Every single time Punk puts a guy on his shoulders, I cringe a little bit, even if its just internally. Mentally-cringe, I would say. I just know the actual impact and execution is gonna diminish whatever effect it was intended to have.
I like the GTS in concept though, at least when its done by people who can actually do it right. Its in that second-tier of finishers for me, not as fast as I want but not too slow and contrived. I think the best finishers are the ones that can just come out of nowhere, like the Stunner or the Sweet Chin Music. They're also have a utility usage in that they can be "built up" to as well, like when HBK gets in the corner and starts tuning up the band and the crowd gets hype, or the way the Rock puts his hands on his knees ready to pounce for the Rock Bottom.
I hate the super obvious contrived ones, like Rey Mysterio's 619, that requires the wrestler to fall in between the first two ropes and sit there for a good 5 seconds, a position that only seems to happen in Rey Mysterio matches. That's also why I prefer ground finishers to air ones, since the wrestler has to slide himself into position on the floor for 10 seconds while Spot Monkey McGee climbs the turnbuckle and poses for the crowd and shit. It just makes the match seem that much more "set-up" and "fake" the more of these moves get incorporated into climatic spots.
I like the GTS in concept though, at least when its done by people who can actually do it right. Its in that second-tier of finishers for me, not as fast as I want but not too slow and contrived. I think the best finishers are the ones that can just come out of nowhere, like the Stunner or the Sweet Chin Music. They're also have a utility usage in that they can be "built up" to as well, like when HBK gets in the corner and starts tuning up the band and the crowd gets hype, or the way the Rock puts his hands on his knees ready to pounce for the Rock Bottom.
I hate the super obvious contrived ones, like Rey Mysterio's 619, that requires the wrestler to fall in between the first two ropes and sit there for a good 5 seconds, a position that only seems to happen in Rey Mysterio matches. That's also why I prefer ground finishers to air ones, since the wrestler has to slide himself into position on the floor for 10 seconds while Spot Monkey McGee climbs the turnbuckle and poses for the crowd and shit. It just makes the match seem that much more "set-up" and "fake" the more of these moves get incorporated into climatic spots.
the WORST
DyslexicAlucard
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Seriously though, I hate the RKO now because it's not from "outta nowhere". It's one of the most obviously set up finishers now. I'm never surprised when Orton hits it. Whenever a friend and I are watching an Orton match, we both pretty much say "outta nowhere..." in unison before Orton does it.
"Oh, Bourne is going for Air Bourne when Randy's 4 feet further out than any other opponent is when he goes for the SSP? RKO incoming..." (Side note: I hate how some people jerk Randy off for this. Sure, it looked good, but Bourne did 98% of the fucking work for it in order to be that accurate with his positioning while flipping through the fucking air! All Orton had to do was pop up and grab his head.)
"Oh, Christian is going to the second rope for a hammer-fist that he never, ever does? RKO incoming..."
"Oh, Punk is randomly jumping head-first over steel steps towards Orton in an attempt to do... something.... RKO incoming".
"Oh, 5 jobbers are standing equidistant around Orton going 'whaddya doin', man?'. Five RKOs incoming."
Boooooring. Seriously, it's gotten worse than even the most obvious Sweet Chin Music set-ups of the past. But I guess morons keep popping for it, so why would he take the effort to actually make the move interesting again?
Obviously Rey's is the worst, so I agree with you. But I just want to bring up how disappointed I am that Christian has kept the Unprettier/Killswitch for his whole career. Not only does it take way too long to set up, but it also doesn't even look that good 90% of the time. Waiting 15 seconds for the Killswitch is like walking 5 miles for a fucking overcooked 7-11 hotdog--it's not worth the effort.
Didn't Ziggler try cutting a promo saying he was the new Shawn Michaels at a house show last year and had 0 reaction to it?
I don't know, but he won't get any heat until he dumps Vickie and makes good use of the mic.
Net_Wrecker
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Shawn Michaels could cut a promo claiming he's Shawn Michaels and get no reaction. 98.47% of crowds suck.
The promo he had on Punk before the last PPV was great. Though they do need to separate him from Vickie, course now I have no idea what they'll do with him unless they plan to make him play third wheel to Punk and Jericho.
True enough. Except that statistic. You've gone joker.gif
Mr. Luchador
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I wonder what makes up a crowd these days. Watching the 90s and you can see its full of semi drunk college students who just want to have a good time. Don't really seem to notice the kids as much.
Kccitystar
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Therein lies the problem. In order to really change the product in a way that is much more prosperous, they need to retrain their audience. For way too long this "universe" has been fed shitty feuds, shitty storylines, angles that go nowhere, gimmicks that suck, etc that they've grown to just accept it.
Mr. Luchador
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There were shitty angles and storylines in the 90s too, but the crowds still cheered them due to being totally drunk. Perhaps.
Mr. Luchador
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They need a DudeBro.
Net_Wrecker
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You jest, but this is actually a pretty big issue, compounded when EVERY SINGLE HEEL is a coward, and every face is a cornball. There's no alpha male who's just out there to kick ass. The WWE is filled with a bunch of nice ass Mario's but we ain't got no Kratos. I don't blame the casual 18-40 audience for leaving when almost everyone on the roster is marshmallows.
Mr. Luchador
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This was no jest. It was a desperate plea!
Kccitystar
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Holy fuck I can't even, wow, great analogy. I feel like there needs to be not just ONE Mark Henry-esque monster heel, but multiple monster heels that just don't give a shit about rules, only about dishing out PAIN
Professor Beef
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They did he was called Orton and everyone bitched about it.
TOM f'N CRUISE
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this man speaks the truth
Keyser Soze
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Such a thing does not exist!
I am going to write it here now, and get 1 Goggle result. PG Dudebro
I am going to write it here now, and get 1 Goggle result. PG Dudebro
Nocturnowl
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Mr. Luchador
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Think how popular Beer Money became in a promotion no-one cares about..!
ITS ALL ABOUT THE GAME AND HOW YOU PLAY IT ALL ABOUT CONTROL AND IF YOU CAN TAKE IT
Kccitystar
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That's the thing though, WWE can't seem to create feuds where some guys just want to kick each other's ass. Somehow every feud has to have an absolute. Someone's a good guy, someone's a bad guy. While this ideal works for a lot of feuds, logically it's okay for guys to just not give a shit and take each other on.
It's what pissed me off about the Big Show and Daniel Bryan feud. I'd rather have them just want to fight each other with the focus on the title. You already have a feud in place without defining a heel/face. Bryan, a face, cashed his MiTB on the Big Show, another face. Bryan has the title, Big Show wants the title back after having a humiliating short reign. Why they can't just form a feud around that without having to resort to some bullshit like getting Bryan's GF involved I will never understand. A feud like theirs can be carried off the strength of wanting the title back. It gives the belt a lot more meaning that way.
Then again, this IS the WWE Universe. Some logic just goes out of the window.
British Monsoon
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No, everyone bitched about the superman booking of Orton's character, not the character itself. I preferred Randy when he still heard voices in his head and was liable to punt anyone in the skull at a moment's notice. Now he's just bland, like everyone else.
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