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Trump’s lawyers seek to undercut Mueller’s Russia investigation

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RumbleHumble

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Stinkles said:
Oh don't get me wrong I 100% agree they'd try to find "forgiveness " but by that point the powers that be will be looking for an out. Rank and file? Absolutely won't give a shit about anything except being on the team that beat Hillary and the thousand years of darkness but if we literally got to peepee land? The money will already be trying to disentangle itself. There are already people trying to find an escape trajectory.
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And that I totally agree with. I think we all just got hung up on the idea that evangelicals would suddenly realize that their religion loathes the man they elected.
 
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Escape Goat

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Why would someone so compromised even think about running for president? It just defies any kind of sense. But that's the Trump presidency in a nutshell.
 
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Bam Bam Baklava

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Septimus Prime said:
Yes. There is no limit to the President's pardon ability (other than that he can't pardon for state charges). He also doesn't even need to specify what he's pardoning; he can pardon anyone for anything or nothing at anytime, as long as he's President. These pardons last forever and cannot be rescinded.

Therefore, assuming he pardons himself before any charges, he probably can pardon himself.
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Kind of amazing how much power was given to the executive branch with the naive assumption that no one this morally bankrupt would ever reach this point.
 
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adj_noun

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Escape Goat said:
Why would someone so compromised even think about running for president? It just defies any kind of sense. But that's the Trump presidency in a nutshell.
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A combination of the logical conclusion to his narcissism and having no clue what the job would truly consist of? I don't know if even Trump truly knows.

There are times I absolutely think the worst thing you could ever have done to the man was elect him President. He loved his life being Trump. I'm not so sure he does now.
 
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RaidenZR

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Side relevant question- There was a senator on CNN earlier that said Kushner won't be under oath next week when he is questioned by the Senate Committee and no other information about that aspect was divulged. Can someone more knowledgeable about this process fucking explain to me why?
 
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Stinkles

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Iolo said:
Trump temporarily taking the 25th while Pence pardons him? Yeah, it's ending this way. Only way it can now. The most ridiculous way possible.
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Pence is a big unknown. He definitely knew about collusion- he lied about Sessions and more. But was he involved? Maybe not. I don't know what he'd do but nobody will be genuinely loyal to Trump if it blows up, because they're all completely aware that he will throw Everyone under the bus. Even his family.

He's literally one of the worst people ever.

That will actually buy him some loyalty to a point because everyone is afraid he'll implicate them.
 
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RustyNails

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OP, you should always source your title with the newspaper.

Can a mod update the title to WaPo: Trump's lawyers seek to undercut...?
 
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Maximo

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Escape Goat said:
Why would someone so compromised even think about running for president? It just defies any kind of sense. But that's the Trump presidency in a nutshell.
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It's funny he could have lived his life with his blood money with the government never looking into his financials but his ego will eventually cost him and his whole family their livelihood.
 
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mackaveli

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Plinko said:
If he fires Mueller, I have no doubt the IC will leak a ton of stuff.

I'm also confident Mueller has some sort of failsafe that will get New York Attorney General Schneiderman all the important details so state charges will be filed in case Mueller is fired.
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How can NY AG Schniederman get fired? Is he untouchable?
 
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Stinkles

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RaidenZR said:
Side relevant question- There was a senator on CNN earlier that said Kushner won't be under oath next week when he is questioned by the Senate Committee and no other information about that aspect was divulged. Can someone more knowledgeable about this process fucking explain to me why?
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Hot Take: He somehow found a way to make his testimony even more suspicious and tarnished. But I'd like to know more about this too. Hadn't heard that angle.
 
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skullmuffins

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RaidenZR said:
Side relevant question- There was a senator on CNN earlier that said Kushner won't be under oath next week when he is questioned by the Senate Committee and no other information about that aspect was divulged. Can someone more knowledgeable about this process fucking explain to me why?
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I read earlier that it was going to be some sort of staff interview and Mark Warner isn't even going to attend. He's going to set up a more formal testimony later.
 
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Random Human

They were trying to grab your prize. They work for the mercenary. The masked man.
Trump pardons Pence -> Trump steps down -> President Pence pardons Trump -> Trump and Pence flee to Russia
 
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NullPointer

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Bam Bam Baklava said:
@jdawsey1

Trump's legal team spokesman resigns. He was frustrated over infighting and concerned he wasn't getting the truth.

https://t.co/LExTFwgcA5
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... in two months.
 
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RaidenZR

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skullmuffins said:
I read earlier that it was going to be some sort of staff interview and Mark Warner isn't even going to attend. He's going to set up a more formal testimony later.
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That's fucking ridiculous. Just grill him once and thoroughly. Don't give him time and allowance to get his story "straight."
 
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uncredited male

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"shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, except in cases of impeachment"
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I could see the SC getting involved if he self-pardons. The reality is a lot of the governance practices assumes some standard of accountability, which has left the building.
 
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Takuan

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Another potential conflict claim is an allegation that Mueller and Trump National Golf Club in Northern Virginia had a dispute over membership fees when Mueller resigned as a member in 2011, two White House advisers said. A spokesman for Mueller said there was no dispute when Mueller, who was FBI director at the time, left the club.
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Can you imagine if Mueller was this petty? He'd have no business being FBI director if that were the case.

Then again, Donald Trump is the President.
 
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Septimus Prime

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uncredited male said:
I could see the SC getting involved if he self-pardons. The reality is a lot of the governance practices assumes some standard of accountability, which has left the building.
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RumbleHumble said:
That gets challenged and reversed at the SC level. Trump has Gorsuch and maybe Alito on this. That'd be it.
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What I'm wondering is whether impeachment proceedings can even begin if he pardons himself before any charges are levied. If not, what is there for the SC to even interpret, as then the pardon would not be a matter of impeachment, right?
 
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Beer Monkey

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99 bots retweeted something I said on Twitter. A minute after I posted it 49 retweets from faceless accounts happened at exactly the same time. A minute after that another 50 happened at exactly the same time.

Browsing them, it looks like they literally retweet like dozens of random things for every pro-Trump thing they retweet.

But it would still be SO easy for Twitter to root these out.

Here are four examples out of the 99. Note they retweet the same things. Obvious botnet.

https://twitter.com/jojnggg
https://twitter.com/AV_DESIGNSgfx
https://twitter.com/Dan21053941
https://twitter.com/Ffffffg78557888

Really fucking scary to see the propaganda tools touching my own posts.
 
DeviantBoi

DeviantBoi

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If Russian money made its way into the Trump campaign after Pence was picked as VP, would this compromise him?

And if Mueller's team identifies where the Russian money came from, could this affect other politicians that also received this money?
 
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Iolo

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Septimus Prime said:
What I'm wondering is whether impeachment proceedings can even begin if he pardons himself before any charges are levied. If not, what is there for the SC to even interpret, as then the pardon would not be a matter of impeachment, right?
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You can pardon crimes (or pre-crimes) but impeachment does not have to be for a crime. You can impeach for failing to uphold the oath of office, for example. That would be a charge, but one coming out of an impeachment inquiry.
 
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RumbleHumble

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Septimus Prime said:
What I'm wondering is whether impeachment proceedings can even begin if he pardons himself before any charges are levied. If not, what is there for the SC to even interpret, as then the pardon would not be a matter of impeachment, right?
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My guess is it'd go like this:

Trump pre-charge pardons himself. Mueller brings charges anyway. Trump argues as a defense that he can't be charged due to pre-pardon. Regardless of lower court level decision, result makes it to SC.
 
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Beer Monkey

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RumbleHumble said:
My guess is it'd go like this:

Trump pre-charge pardons himself. Mueller brings charges anyway. Trump argues as a defense that he can't be charged due to pre-pardon. Regardless of lower court level decision, result makes it to SC.
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Constitutional crisis seems inevitable. SC will be involved at some point, very little doubt of this.
 
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Cuburt

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Trump has asked his advisers about his power to pardon aides, family members and even himself in connection with the probe, according to one of those people. A second person said Trump’s lawyers have been discussing the president’s pardoning powers among themselves.
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I take it they are expecting to get convicted.
 
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