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Trumps lawyers seek to undercut Muellers Russia investigation
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Randolph Freelander
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The Friday 6pm hope nobody notices news dump from the White House will be the firing of Mueller and mass-issued pardons.
UberTag
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Oh no... his precious image... because the rest of the world doesn't already think he's a lying, charlatan, self-obsessed imbecile.
We might also know he's not as wealthy as he says he is. Aw, poor Donny.
TheCochese
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God will forgive him, so I will too.
TheRagnCajun
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How hilarious would it be if Trump temporarily bowed out of the presidency under the 25th amendment so Pence could pardon him of his crimes... and then, after doing so, Pence said, "Nah, I'm not going to be doing that; go fuck yourself."
That would never happen... but it would be pretty darn amusing.
Laevateinn
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Hey man, don't bring up things that would make me like him.
Yeah. I wonder if Pence would actually go for it. I figured he'd rather just make a deal for Trump to resign for a pardon instead.
Correct. At this point, maybe a live boy would make them bail, but I wouldn't be surprised if they excused that as well.
RumbleHumble
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I still just can't see Trump bowing out. He'd sooner burn D.C. to the ground than lose anything.
Shadow Puppetry
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Trump has repeatedly refused to make his tax returns public after first claiming he could not do so because he was under audit or after promising to release them after an IRS audit was completed.
Uh, IRS have stated multiple times he can release them while being under audit.
Uh, IRS have stated multiple times he can release them while being under audit.
foxuzamaki
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I think he never thought he would get this far, and when he started winning it did what the logical conclusion was for a person like him, raised his ego despite in the back of his mind he knew he should have bailed out
If he's innocent then he's embarrassingly poor by his standards. He would be stupid enough to freak out over that alone, wouldn't he?
Mighty Chin
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This is amazing.
Escape Goat
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Master Yoshi
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samoscratch
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From what I've read recently, Trump has been involved with Russian oligarchs specifically money laundering schemes for a long long time.
So imo there's so much more to all of this than just his financial status, I feel this is so much bigger than we think.
chekhonte
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Just an FYI
Trump can pardon his family and aides
Trump can pardon himself
Trump can execute a pardon via tweet as there is no defining procedure in the constitution for a presidential pardon
If trump is impeached and removed the next president can and will pardon all of the above probably not via tweet.
There are almost no limits to a presidential pardon for federal charges.
Trump can pardon his family and aides
Trump can pardon himself
Trump can execute a pardon via tweet as there is no defining procedure in the constitution for a presidential pardon
If trump is impeached and removed the next president can and will pardon all of the above probably not via tweet.
There are almost no limits to a presidential pardon for federal charges.
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He can't pardon himself and most of the rest of what you say is bullshit
Nazgul_Hunter
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Were close to a turning point. Well soon know if were on the best timeline or the worst depending on whether republicans grow the balls to impeach trump when he inevitably fires Mueller, pardons everybody and we learn that everything about the Russia story is true.
skullmuffins
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This isn't at all clear. If he tries, it will certainly be tested in court.
Autodidact
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Y'all better hope we still got WOKE Thomas and/or Conscientious Chief Justice Roberts on that Court.
SlickShoesRUCrazy
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Fucker tried to pull this shit after being found out he committed treason, should be forceably removed from the White House and have all his assets frozen and confiscated.
Electric Eye
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He's shook. He's been bankrupt so many times and no banks other than one has loaned him anything yet he keeps building means sometime before or after the Ms. America in Moscow his entire business was turned into a money laundering scheme to get around Obama's sanctions.
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SatelliteOfLove
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My big worry here is that he starts yanking on every lever on his way out to either save himself or screw over those who showed disloyalty to him by not being treasonous shitbags.
We don't know exactly how many are in cahoots with/kompromated by Russians, or what they can do to stymie his expedition either.
We've seen what he's done to the ENTIRETY of federal law enforcement this week, and you KNOW that it'll continue, spread, and get worse.
One of the odd things this decade has brought me is the realization that the realization that a more heterogeneous America wasn't just to more left-leaning and current minorities. Oh no no no no...
We don't know exactly how many are in cahoots with/kompromated by Russians, or what they can do to stymie his expedition either.
We've seen what he's done to the ENTIRETY of federal law enforcement this week, and you KNOW that it'll continue, spread, and get worse.
One of the odd things this decade has brought me is the realization that the realization that a more heterogeneous America wasn't just to more left-leaning and current minorities. Oh no no no no...
chekhonte
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It's unfortunately true.
TheLostBigBoss
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Saw it brought up online. Trump has to be careful because anyone he potentially pardons can be compelled to testify without immunity and cannot claim 5th amendment due to the pardon having adjudicated guilt.
Presidential Pardons are also not like settling out of court. Accepting a Pardon entails admitting guilt and commission of the crime being pardoned.
Presidential Pardons are also not like settling out of court. Accepting a Pardon entails admitting guilt and commission of the crime being pardoned.
chekhonte
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Nixon was never brought up on federal charges. He made a deal to resign and then Ford pardoned him. A president has to be impeached and removed and then charged which was his other option.
BMO = GOAT
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Even if he does find a way to pardon himself, the only certainty that will come of this, is his assets will get frozen. And tbh thats where his ego is at, the Money he says he has. The presidency doesn't matter to him, but the money does 😂. Lmao hopefully Mueller finds something
Oh, most certainly he's involved in all manner of shady shit. But in Trump's mind I'm not sure that's the issue that's worrying him. I think he's not of a mindset of "Oh shit, they're gonna discover (insert Russian thing here)", but rather "(insert Russian thing here) was just business. But oh shit, they're gonna discover I'm not a billionaire..."
Electric Eye
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If the question of self pardon when to the SCOTUS, would his appointee, what's his name, have to recuse himself?
Autodidact
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No, because the Senate approved him.
I predict the decision would be either 5-4 (with Kennedy/Roberts joining the liberals) or 6-3 (with Kennedy and Roberts) ruling that Trump can't pardon himself.
BoboBrazil
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Look for Mueller or Sessions to be fired tomorrow.
BronsonLee
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Are we about to see the President of the United States try to pardon someone via tweet
That'd be like when Michael Scott yelled I DECLARE BANKRUPTCY and it actually working
That'd be like when Michael Scott yelled I DECLARE BANKRUPTCY and it actually working
White supremacy.
You know, Trump is crazy enough to have someone shoot investigators and then pardon them immediately and then dare Congress to begin impeachment proceedings.
I mean, what happens if a President were to openly have people murdered and then pardon them? Only Congress can impeach and they'd be physically afraid to do so.
Scotus aren't fucking idiots. It also wouldnt just immediately go to Scotus. Lower fed courts would definitely say fuck no he can't pardon himself.
He'll still be impeached regardless, pardon can't touch that. He has to be impeached before he can be indicted anyway as a sitting president.
Pardon means someone else, not yourself, inherently. Scotus would never back it. If trump is already impeached, which he would be if it ever even got to this point, Scotus would have 0 reason to allow him to pardon himself. They would happily tell him to go fuck himself and get the fuck out of DC.
Honestly I'm not even sure Thomas would go for that. Alito and Gorsuch would be on board with it though.
TheCochese
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What is it now?
Just covering all of this. The tone has just shifted overwhelmingly to he's fucked.
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