He said human history, which I assume he means recorded history. Sounds about right but im too lazy to google it.
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Trump Advisor on climate: "Science has gotten a lot wrong in our 5,500 year history"
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Gotta get that science ranking of American students down to the same level as that 40th place math ranking. Mid-20s is still high enough to get in the way of post-truth.
metalslimer
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School teachers are still telling little kids that everyone thought the earth was flat.
Frozenprince
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I don't understand the argument that earlier science was horribly wrong, therefore we can't trust current scientific consensus.
Did the 'science' that told people the earth was flat put fucking sattelites in orbit or create a worldwide information network or the hadron collider? Yeah we're still learning things through scinelce but picking and choosing what you want to believe doesn't work with science. It's a fucking shame that people who don't understand those basic concepts get out in charge of our lives and safety.
Did the 'science' that told people the earth was flat put fucking sattelites in orbit or create a worldwide information network or the hadron collider? Yeah we're still learning things through scinelce but picking and choosing what you want to believe doesn't work with science. It's a fucking shame that people who don't understand those basic concepts get out in charge of our lives and safety.
More_Badass
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That's how they spin this bullshit
"Science said the earth was flat and it wasn't, so science has been wrong before, just like now"
Fuck, no that wasn't "science", and it's god damn depressing that this kind of anti-intellectual mindset is so prevalent. It's also doubles as a huge insult to the struggles through history of scientists that fought to learn and spread the knowledge of those discoveries. History really does repeat itself.
Right-wing radio hosts indoctrinate its listeners into believing scientists have biases so you can't trust their results and findings (but you can trust the ones that agree with the right's positions)
"Science said the earth was flat and it wasn't, so science has been wrong before, just like now"
Fuck, no that wasn't "science", and it's god damn depressing that this kind of anti-intellectual mindset is so prevalent. It's also doubles as a huge insult to the struggles through history of scientists that fought to learn and spread the knowledge of those discoveries. History really does repeat itself.
Right-wing radio hosts indoctrinate its listeners into believing scientists have biases so you can't trust their results and findings (but you can trust the ones that agree with the right's positions)
MetroidPrimeRib
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The scientific method will also self correct itself tho...
Older models aren't wrong either, they just failed to incorporate other info
Older models aren't wrong either, they just failed to incorporate other info
Frozenprince
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Recorded history goes way beyond that. Chinese history (not mythological history actual history) goes back two millennia before that. Neolithic cultures the world over have recorded and verifiable marks on things as far back as the 10th century BC.
Spartancarver
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I'm not even mad anymore. America deserves this. Blatant stupidity is like a badge of honor around here, might as well have a government that's as stupid as the average American redneck.
Frozenprince
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Trump seems like one of those people that will argue creationism on the internet because "it's still the 'theory' of evolution".
Electric Eye
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Hold on to your science and history books for your children's sake. This is why I do t believe in everything digital. Science in the US might as well start being categorized as BT (before trump) and AT(after trump). Shits gonna be rough.
MetroidPrimeRib
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Of course. Theory to them just means it's unproven or untested and only fringe people believe it.
In the scientific community, theory is as close as you can get to the truth
SlickShoesRUCrazy
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At some point the world is going to have to decide whether these people should be alive or not....
The earth is slowly reaching that conclusion for all of us
I think Bugs cut off my home town, and sent it into the ocean with the US...
Save the west coast plz
10th century bc? Thats only 3000 years.
We all have to make sacrifices.
I'm ignorant to much of science (which just means I don't follow it that much) but isn't gravity still a theory?
HP_Wuvcraft
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Nobody in the history of the world has been so qualified. It's unpresidented.
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AHA-Lambda
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oh dear fuck....
MetroidPrimeRib
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Our current theory likely doesn't incorporate every element of how gravity actually works, yes.
It's both a law and a theory.
The existence of gravity of course is not a theory, just as the existence of evolution is not a theory. Theories explain how they work. A theory in science is never "proven," and will always remain a theory.
shira
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Went the ice caps melt they will just be underwater
Thunder Monkey
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Me too!
But... at least I found a reasonably cheap bottle of Scotch I like. Johnnie Walker, Black Label.
Not bad stuff. Makes the bad memories disappear.
SlickShoesRUCrazy
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Too slow. Active action is needed.
I really hope whatever America caught isn't contagious.
MetroidPrimeRib
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It is. Fascism is very contagious. Sorry.
This should be the title for the Trump OT.
direct_quote
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The Bible is never wrong though. Bible 1, Science 0.
Mechanized
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What alternate dimension does this dipshit live in?
Psychoward
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Taken a look at Europe recently?
aGuyInaBearSuit
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America was a mistake.
SlickShoesRUCrazy
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The science has been wrong argument and earth is flat/center arguement has always been one of the worse fucking arguements ever.
You are talking about before modern technology and shit.
It's a terrible cop out.
You are talking about before modern technology and shit.
It's a terrible cop out.
DragonKnight
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Mah coal, mah oil, mah profits. La la la la; cant hear you.
Escape Goat
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May we be an example for the history books.
Science has gotten a lot wrong, I don't think you will find any scientist that will disagree about that statement. However its nature is that it can only go with what the evidence presents. Before the time of the Greeks, people thought the earth was flat; the evidence seemed to suggest a zero degree curvature. After all, we couldn't see the Earth curve, right?
Eratosthenes changed that by measuring the solar angle at a specific time of day at different points on the Earth, and working out that we did indeed have a very small, if not zero curvature. Combine that with observations that the sail would be the last part of the ship to go past the horizon, and there was considerable evidence to support the curved Earth.There could have been an even better model that suggested the Earth was actually flat, but the evidence was so overwhelming, it was not even worth considering, unless a better model is developed.
The geocentric model of our solar system also was the best model that we had at the time. Say what you will about how silly it seemed, it was what the evidence supported; circular models just did not fit the evidence as well as Ptolmey's celestial sphere model. It took Tycho Brahe's measurements and Kepler's elliptical model to finally find one that is better. Of course, he could have been wrong too, and in some respects he was, but it was the best model we had.
Now the climateological model is one that includes the warming of the Earth. Specifically, the evidence points to the Earth warming due to human released carbon gases. Of course, just like everything else, there is a small chance that the Earth is not warming, or that it is not because of humanity's influence. Nothing is certain in science, nor ever could be. However, unless a better model is developed that doesn't include human caused warming, the possibility is so remote, it is barely worth considering at this point.
I'll also use this post to plug Asimov's The Relativity of Wrong, which is my favorite non fiction essay by him, and gives the point I did, just more beautifully put.
http://chem.tufts.edu/answersinscience/relativityofwrong.htm
Eratosthenes changed that by measuring the solar angle at a specific time of day at different points on the Earth, and working out that we did indeed have a very small, if not zero curvature. Combine that with observations that the sail would be the last part of the ship to go past the horizon, and there was considerable evidence to support the curved Earth.There could have been an even better model that suggested the Earth was actually flat, but the evidence was so overwhelming, it was not even worth considering, unless a better model is developed.
The geocentric model of our solar system also was the best model that we had at the time. Say what you will about how silly it seemed, it was what the evidence supported; circular models just did not fit the evidence as well as Ptolmey's celestial sphere model. It took Tycho Brahe's measurements and Kepler's elliptical model to finally find one that is better. Of course, he could have been wrong too, and in some respects he was, but it was the best model we had.
Now the climateological model is one that includes the warming of the Earth. Specifically, the evidence points to the Earth warming due to human released carbon gases. Of course, just like everything else, there is a small chance that the Earth is not warming, or that it is not because of humanity's influence. Nothing is certain in science, nor ever could be. However, unless a better model is developed that doesn't include human caused warming, the possibility is so remote, it is barely worth considering at this point.
I'll also use this post to plug Asimov's The Relativity of Wrong, which is my favorite non fiction essay by him, and gives the point I did, just more beautifully put.
http://chem.tufts.edu/answersinscience/relativityofwrong.htm
theepicoftyler
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We got it from Britain.
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It's just amazing how he uses the knowledge we gained from science to tell us how science got things wrong, so that's why we shouldn't trust science.
ClosingADoor
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Even if climate change is not real (but it is), then we still need to get rid of fossil fuels. How many people are dying and having health problems every year because of pollution? Don't we want to fix that?
It's kinda like how the Nazis were simultaneously anti-reason and on the cutting edge of scientific advancement.
"A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world that is acquired through the scientific method and repeatedly tested and confirmed, preferably using a written, pre-defined, protocol of observations and experiments. Scientific theories are the most reliable, rigorous, and comprehensive form of scientific knowledge."
I am posting this because it feels like theory is being interchangeably used with hypothesis when they are not the same thing.
I am posting this because it feels like theory is being interchangeably used with hypothesis when they are not the same thing.
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