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What the fuck is going on?
Is he just trying to shit on McConnell and Ryan?
Yes, it's payback for what they said about him in August.
What the fuck is going on?
Is he just trying to shit on McConnell and Ryan?
Pretty much. He doesn't care what succeeds or how, he just wants to be able to put his stamp on it.
I guess he wants Dems to give him his 'wins' now?
Not considering Schumer got everything he wanted and then some.
Ew. This looks gross on Schumer too.
Seriously, he gave up nothing and got everything.
+Advanced Dem agendaBeing cordial in person isn't gross. Doubly so when you are the minority party trying to get something done.
Donald Trump, who casts himself as a master negotiator, took the first offer Democrats put on the table.
Republicans left the Oval Office Wednesday stunned. Trump had quickly sided with Democrats on a short-term debt ceiling increase, even overruling his own Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin to concur with "Chuck and Nancy," as he later called them on Air Force One.
But Trump defied more than his top aides. He turned on Republican leaders in Congress when he caved to Democrats' demands to raise the debt limit and fund the government for three months, setting up a brutal year-end fiscal cliff. The move shocked everyone, as top White House officials and GOP leaders had been gearing up to raise the debt ceiling through the 2018 midterm election, looking to pass legislation as soon as Friday.
So after Democrats rejected GOP proposals to raise the debt ceiling for 18 months, and then six months — Trump endorsed Schumer's three-month pitch.
That means Congress will have to raise the debt ceiling, negotiate a massive trillion-dollar spending bill, and potentially hash out a deal on immigration all at once.
Democrats were gleeful.
One senior Republican aide spoke more bluntly on background: ”The president of the United States just handed a loaded gun to Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer."
The meeting came after congressional Democrats turned the screws on the president and GOP leaders, who need Democratic votes to raise the debt limit and avert a default.
The move by congressional Democrats was intended to preserve their leverage later this year on other issues, even though in the past, Democrats, including both Schumer and Pelosi, have said the debt ceiling should not be a topic of negotiation. But Democratic leaders were emboldened because Republicans needed significant Democratic support on the spending and debt legislation, which is expected to split congressional Republicans.
But Trump upended GOP leadership's plans during the White House meeting. Sources familiar with the discussions said Ryan and McConnell made it clear that they didn't agree with Schumer or Pelosi. When Democrats wouldn't agree, they pushed for a six-month debt ceiling increase instead of the full 18 months.
Trump appeared to tire of the back and forth when Democrats wouldn't cave to the six-month increase. He struck a deal — or at least, what he saw as one — cutting Mnuchin off mid-sentence as he argued against the merits of a short-term debt increase. The room went silent. Everyone was stunned.
Republicans returned to the Capitol disheartened. They thought they could call Democrats' bluff on the matter and were ready to exit the meeting as a standstill. One senior GOP aide said the whole experience was "mystifying."
”Maybe it's about the wall, I don't know," this person said. ”None of it makes any sense."
Unlike now, Republicans in December won't have a disaster relief bill to help win support for a debt ceiling increase — always a tough vote for Republicans — said another GOP source.
After the deal was struck, Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) defended the president's actions: "I don't know that he sided with the Democrats. He made an agreement."
Debt ceiling is essentially the maximum amount of debt the nation is allowed to carry. Lowering this (by cutting spending) is a Republican core tenet.I don't think anyone I know understands what the debt ceiling is. I don't doubt that it's a bad mark on republicans to to agree to this, I do have to wonder how it's going to translate into emboldening primary challenges.
Wolf Blitzer just called Trump and Schumer "besties" xD
(he actually said "best friends", but close enough)
Seriously, he gave up nothing and got everything.
Why were Rs opposed? Kicking the can down the road is their bread and butter.
My personal wish to god is that Dems retake the house and Trump and Pence are removed from office, leaving us President Pelosi.
No Dem should be looking at Trump like that. I don't care what they got in return. You nod your head and say "thank you Mr. President" and continue about your business, happy that you were able to get something across this diabolical pussy's infantile administration, and don't give him an inch of leverage personally. This is politics. Business. And what Trump is good at is making business personal.
You don't look at him like you want him to go to a baseball game with you and that you didn't call for his impeachment. That's just Trump working his little petty game, that works with little petty people.
I can already see it now. "Chuck Schumer, who nearly kissed me when I agreed to his debt ceiling proposal, now wants to oppose our tax reform bill. What crooks dems are. Slimy Schumer!"
One senior GOP aide said the whole experience was "mystifying.
Maybe it's about the wall, I don't know, this person said. None of it makes any sense.
With Trump's scummy business mindset, couldn't this be like a "You guys aren't performing so I'll give these guys in your competing department a raise to spur you to do better."
No Dem should be looking at Trump like that. Hell, no one in general, but that's asking too much because people are idiots. I don't care what they got in return. You nod your head and say "thank you Mr. President" and continue about your business, happy that you were able to get something across this diabolical pussy's infantile administration, and don't give him an inch of leverage personally. This is politics. Business. And what Trump is good at is making business personal.
You don't look at him like you want him to go to a baseball game with you and that you didn't call for his impeachment. That's just Trump working his little petty game, that works with little petty people.
I can already see it now. "Chuck Schumer, who nearly kissed me when I agreed to his debt ceiling proposal, now wants to oppose our tax reform bill. What crooks dems are. Slimy Schumer!"
No Dem should be looking at Trump like that. Hell, no one in general, but that's asking too much because people are idiots. I don't care what they got in return. You nod your head and say "thank you Mr. President" and continue about your business, happy that you were able to get something across this diabolical pussy's infantile administration, and don't give him an inch of leverage personally. This is politics. Business. And what Trump is good at is making business personal.
You don't look at him like you want him to go to a baseball game with you and that you didn't call for his impeachment. That's just Trump working his little petty game, that works with little petty people.
I can already see it now. "Chuck Schumer, who nearly kissed me when I agreed to his debt ceiling proposal, now wants to oppose our tax reform bill. What crooks dems are. Slimy Schumer!"
Oooh, that reads like straight up tactical torture for Republicans. The debt ceiling fight threatens to be fratricidal for the GOP, and now McConnell and Ryan have to watch it play out for months, not weeks. And Trump just took that deal and left them looking that foolish? Sheesh.
I disagree. Clearly this is a President who gives you what you want if you're nice to him, as well as one who is extremely petty and will go out of his way to spite you if you're not. It's a smarter play to be nice to him, so you can get shit done.No Dem should be looking at Trump like that. Hell, no one in general, but that's asking too much because people are idiots. I don't care what they got in return. You nod your head and say "thank you Mr. President" and continue about your business, happy that you were able to get something across this diabolical pussy's infantile administration, and don't give him an inch of leverage personally. This is politics. Business. And what Trump is good at is making business personal.
You don't look at him like you want him to go to a baseball game with you and that you didn't call for his impeachment. That's just Trump working his little petty game, that works with little petty people.
I can already see it now. "Chuck Schumer, who nearly kissed me when I agreed to his debt ceiling proposal, now wants to oppose our tax reform bill. What crooks dems are. Slimy Schumer!"
Keep in mind what Trump gets out of this. Not even pubs wanted to tie the debt limit to the wall with Harvey aid on the line. With this, Trump gets another opportunity to tie raising the debt ceiling to the wall in December.
Keep in mind what Trump gets out of this. Not even pubs wanted to tie the debt limit to the wall with Harvey aid on the line. With this, Trump gets another opportunity to tie raising the debt ceiling to the wall in December.
Keep in mind what Trump gets out of this. Not even pubs wanted to tie the debt limit to the wall with Harvey aid on the line. With this, Trump gets another opportunity to tie raising the debt ceiling to the wall in December.
The Democrats are playing chess and Trump is playing tic-tac-toe.
Who the fuck cares? Whatever they did worked. Keep doing it.
Yea, Chuck should have been a jerk to Trump and ruined any chance of Democrats getting what they want!
Primary Chuck Schumer 2022, whose with me??
Optics over actually getting stuff dumb is the stupidest political nonsense ever. Stop it. Please. Just stop. Literally nobody but you cares that Chuck was in a somewhat flattering photo with Trump. NO ONE
Let me try to explain this in practical terms. Schumer just secured the leverage he'll need to make sure that DACA is signed into actual law at the end of the year. That will change and possibly save the lives of hundreds of thousands of people. And in light of this you're choosing to be upset that he was photographed smiling at Trump? That's what's truly petty.No Dem should be looking at Trump like that. Hell, no one in general, but that's asking too much because people are idiots. I don't care what they got in return. You nod your head and say "thank you Mr. President" and continue about your business, happy that you were able to get something across this diabolical pussy's infantile administration, and don't give him an inch of leverage personally. This is politics. Business. And what Trump is good at is making business personal.
You don't look at him like you want him to go to a baseball game with you and that you didn't call for his impeachment. That's just Trump working his little petty game, that works with little petty people.
I can already see it now. "Chuck Schumer, who nearly kissed me when I agreed to his debt ceiling proposal, now wants to oppose our tax reform bill. What crooks dems are. Slimy Schumer!"
So it's a resistance until someone flatters us? What a strong message the dems are pushing for us to keep beating. Resist resist, but suck his cock if it helps.
Let me try to explain this in practical terms. Schumer just secured the leverage he'll need to make sure that DACA is signed into actual law at the end of the year. That will change and possibly save the lives of hundreds of thousands of people. And in light of this you're choosing to be upset that he was photographed smiling at Trump? That's what's truly petty.
One senior Republican aide spoke more bluntly on background: The president of the United States just handed a loaded gun to Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer.
No surprise, this is exactly what happens in a mafia environment. One faction of henchmen have been failing the boss, so to humiliate them he shows more affection for the other.
None of it makes any sense.
Debt ceiling is essentially the maximum amount of debt the nation is allowed to carry. .
No Dem should be looking at Trump like that. Hell, no one in general, but that's asking too much because people are idiots. I don't care what they got in return.
So it's a resistance until someone flatters us? What a strong message the dems are pushing for us to keep beating. Resist resist, but suck his cock if it helps.
What I stated had nothing to do with being a jerk. You can get business done without being a jerk and still sticking to your morals.
LOLOLOLOLOL
IS THIS THE PIVOT
Chuck making a deal with the devil, he will just stab you in the back later.
Chuck making a deal with the devil, he will just stab you in the back later.
Yeah ... we're the idiots. fucking lol. Go toss your protest vote out the window somewhere and leave the real convo to adults.