Trump Goes Full Birther; Questions Cruz's Presidential Eligibility

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Real estate tycoon Donald Trump cast doubt Monday on whether Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) can run for president, because Cruz was born in Canada.

"It’s a hurdle; somebody could certainly look at it very seriously," Trump said during a phone interview Monday on My Fox New York.

"He was born in Canada. If you know and when we all studied our history lessons, you are supposed to be born in this country, so I just don't know how the courts will rule on this."
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http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/236651-trump-cruz-faces-hurdle-for-canadian-birthplace

http://www.salon.com/2015/03/23/don...er_youre_supposed_to_be_born_in_this_country/

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/a...-trump-goes-birther-on-canadian-born-ted-cruz

Seen a few people asking why Trump hasn't attacked Cruz in a few of the political threads and the truth of the matter is, he has. Trump went full birther earlier this week, much to the amusement and frustration of those who actually understand the US Constitution and thought the whole "birther" BS was one-and-done.

That said, the man may be full of crazy, but at least he's a consistent crazy and doesn't discriminate based on party lines.
 
Wait, but isn't Trump right? Sorry, I haven't followed this closely, but Cruz really was born in Canada, correct? And because of that he isn't eligible to be POTUS since the US allows only natural-born citizens to become POTUS?

I feel like I'm missing something here.
 
Soka said:
Wait, but isn't Trump right? Sorry, I haven't followed this closely, but Cruz really was born in Canada, correct? And because of that he isn't eligible to be POTUS since the US allows only natural-born citizens to become POTUS?

I feel like I'm missing something here.
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Supposedly the technicality he's riding on is he got in on citizenship because mommy was a citizen when she gave birth to him.
 
Soka said:
Wait, but isn't Trump right? Sorry, I haven't followed this closely, but Cruz really was born in Canada, correct? And because of that he isn't eligible to be POTUS since the US allows only natural-born citizens to become POTUS?

I feel like I'm missing something here.
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Natural born means either:

1) Born in the US
2) Born to US citizens

Basically, a citizen at birth.

Trump was ALWAYS wrong on this point.

A naturalized citizen is someone who was NOT a citizen at birth and later gained US citizenship. Naturalized citizens are not eligible to become President (though they can hold any other office).
 
Soka said:
Wait, but isn't Trump right? Sorry, I haven't followed this closely, but Cruz really was born in Canada, correct? And because of that he isn't eligible to be POTUS since the US allows only natural-born citizens to become POTUS?

I feel like I'm missing something here.
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Since he was a citizen from birth he's technically a "natural born citizen" so he can still run.
 
Soka said:
Wait, but isn't Trump right? Sorry, I haven't followed this closely, but Cruz really was born in Canada, correct? And because of that he isn't eligible to be POTUS since the US allows only natural-born citizens to become POTUS?

I feel like I'm missing something here.
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Cruz was born in Canada to an Irish mother and Cuban father (who fought for Castro).

lol
 
Soka said:
Wait, but isn't Trump right? Sorry, I haven't followed this closely, but Cruz really was born in Canada, correct? And because of that he isn't eligible to be POTUS since the US allows only natural-born citizens to become POTUS?

I feel like I'm missing something here.
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What "natural born" exactly means hasn't been legally defined. People have just naturally interpreted it as being born in this country, but there's nothing saying that it doesn't simply means that you're a US citizen from birth.
 
Rajack said:
Supposedly the technicality he's riding on is he got in on citizenship because mommy was a citizen when she gave birth to him.
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Syriel said:
Natural born means either:

1) Born in the US
2) Born to US citizens

Basically, a citizen at birth.

Trump was ALWAYS wrong on this point.

A naturalized citizen is someone who was NOT a citizen at birth and later gained US citizenship. Naturalized citizens are not eligible to become President (though they can hold any other office).
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Jigorath said:
Since he was a citizen from birth he's technically a "natural born citizen" so he can still run.
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Oh, so his mom was a US citizen thus making Cruz a US citizen despite being born in Canada. Yeah, that makes sense. Thanks.
 
While it doesn't matter from a constitutional perspective, of course, I still love the fact that the Tea Party's golden boy has a Canadian Birth Certificate.

Like, there is just no way around it.
 
Soka said:
Oh, so his mom was a US citizen thus making Cruz a US citizen despite being born in Canada. Yeah, that makes sense. Thanks.
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Which is funny because even if Barry was born in Kenya, it would apply to him the same way, given that his mother is an American from Kansas.

But keep moving those goalposts neocons.
 
massoluk said:
Yup, at least he's consistent.
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stufte said:
At least he's consistent in his stupidity.
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Yep. However, the birther movement is stupid regardless of whether the claims are coming from the right wing (as in this case), or from the left (which I've only heard the slightest rumblings from - at least so far).

Ted Cruz was born to an American citizen (his mom); the place of birth is irrelevant. He's as much a citizen as President Obama (born in America to an American mom) or John McCain (born in a foreign country on a military base to an American mother). This birther crap just distracts from the more important issue - that Ted Cruz is a hyper-conservative jackass that doesn't deserve to be anywhere near the White House for any reason.
 
Remember the last time Trump accused a candidate of being born as a non-US citizen? Look at that candidate now, 2 time president of the USA! Looks like lightning stri-

Wait.

Oh god no.

I don't want cruz as president :(
 
We should really just amend the constitution because I'm pretty sure we're not still worried about loyalties to the crown screwing up our newly founded country.
 
Damaniel said:
Yep. However, the birther movement is stupid regardless of whether the claims are coming from the right wing (as in this case), or from the left (which I've only heard the slightest rumblings from - at least so far).

Ted Cruz was born to an American citizen (his mom); the place of birth is irrelevant. He's as much a citizen as President Obama (born in America to an American mom) or John McCain (born in a foreign country on a military base to an American mother). This birther crap just distracts from the more important issue - that Ted Cruz is a hyper-conservative jackass that doesn't deserve to be anywhere near the White House for any reason.
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Military bases/consulates/embassies are fine because they are American soil, it's the same as if you were born in the continental US and Hawaii/Alaska.

There is zero debate for Barry or McCain because they were both born on US soil, so the discussion of parents' citizenship doesn't matter.

Now on the other hand, for that communist socialist Irish Canadian Cuban, things can be a little murky.

Obviously I'm just having fun with this throwing it back to birthers/racist neocons.
 
Also, let's please stop this false equivalency of the very real and very racist right-wing birther movement and the sarcastic, joking left-wing "birther movement."

Cruz's eligibility wouldn't be anymore than a "oh, do you have to be born here. No? Okay." if it weren't for the absolute insanity of the 2008 elections.
 
Soka said:
Oh, so his mom was a US citizen thus making Cruz a US citizen despite being born in Canada. Yeah, that makes sense. Thanks.
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It doesn't seem quite so clear from the state department:

http://travel.state.gov/content/tra...s-policies/citizenship-child-born-abroad.html
Birth Abroad to One Citizen and One Alien Parent in Wedlock

A child born abroad to one U.S. citizen parent and one alien parent acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under Section 301(g) of the INA provided the U.S. citizen parent was physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for the time period required by the law applicable at the time of the child's birth. (For birth on or after November 14, 1986, a period of five years physical presence, two after the age of fourteen, is required. For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen, is required for physical presence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child.) The U.S. citizen parent must be the genetic or the gestational parent and the legal parent of the child under local law at the time and place of the child’s birth to transmit U.S. citizenship.
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If Obama was born outside the US (
he wasn't
), the argument was that because his mother was 18 that it wasn't 5 years after being the age of 14. It would be funny if Cruz was actually trapped by the false logic people tried to use against Obama.
 
Patryn said:
What "natural born" exactly means hasn't been legally defined. People have just naturally interpreted it as being born in this country, but there's nothing saying that it doesn't simply means that you're a US citizen from birth.
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It was "legally defined" by Congress in 1790.

http://memory.loc.gov/ll/llsl/001/0200/02280104.tif

Also:
http://www.uscis.gov/policymanual/HTML/PolicyManual-Volume12-PartH-Chapter3.html

It's pretty well defined.

lupinko said:
Which is funny because even if Barry was born in Kenya, it would apply to him the same way, given that his mother is an American from Kansas.

But keep moving those goalposts neocons.
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The question also came up WRT McCain. Though it didn't gain a whole lot of traction then. It wasn't until Trump led the charge that the birthers hit the mainstream news cycle.
 
Syriel said:
Natural born means either:

1) Born in the US
2) Born to US citizens

Basically, a citizen at birth.

Trump was ALWAYS wrong on this point.

A naturalized citizen is someone who was NOT a citizen at birth and later gained US citizenship. Naturalized citizens are not eligible to become President (though they can hold any other office).
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That's the commonly used definition but there is actually no rock solid legal definition of it because the constition never actually explicitly defines natural born. McCain was declared to be a natural born citizen by Congress just to be safe after being born in the Panama Canal Zone.
 
lupinko said:
Which is funny because even if Barry was born in Kenya, it would apply to him the same way, given that his mother is an American from Kansas.

But keep moving those goalposts neocons.
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It actually would not, as I understand it. Apparently, in the year Obama was born U.S. Citizens could pass on their citizenship to their offspring only if they had lived 5 years of their lives after the age of 14 on U.S. soil. Obama's mom had him when she was 18, so she didn't meet the requirements. I haven't actually checked the old laws, but this was explained to me once back in '08 when this whole stupid conspiracy theory popped up, so someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

Nowadays, the rule is that the parent has to have been residing in the U.S. for a total of at least 5 years before the child's birth, with two of those years being after the age of 14. (This part I am sure about)

I Believe he was born in Hawaii anyways so this is all a moot point
 
If I were being intellectually honest, I'd be saying Trump is an idiot.

But I'm not going to be intellectually honest. I'm going to engage in gross amounts of schadenfreude and laugh because a sociopathic asshole like Ted Cruz really does deserve this kind of karma.
 
turtle553 said:
It doesn't seem quite so clear from the state department:

http://travel.state.gov/content/tra...s-policies/citizenship-child-born-abroad.html


If Obama was born outside the US (
he wasn't
), the argument was that because his mother was 18 that it wasn't 5 years after being the age of 14. It would be funny if Cruz was actually trapped by the false logic people tried to use against Obama.
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I dunno, that make believe argument is flimsy too for Obama's mother considering that she was born in the US to American parents and lived there for her entire life up until that fictional point. Unless the birthers are trying to say she grew up in Kenya since a toddler.

It's all very silly, but hey how about that Socialist Communist Irish Canadian Cuban the Tea Party is trying to front as its pure American.
 
Ok but saying "someone COULD certainly look at it" is not what he did with Obama. Once he starts appearing on TV and Tweeting constantly about it, then I'll give him some props about consistency. Most likely, this will go away very quickly.
 
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