Jon Neu
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Seems like you can't.
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Trump hires new deputy chief of staff whose wife's twitter feeds contains gems like "White people can't say N-word but Black people can"
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Seems like you can't.
Hayfield
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How can people stand against someone that stands for nothing?
Cauliflower of Love
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Vertically?
What are you asking?
What are you asking?
mckmas8808
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Black people can respond rationally and talk it out, but someone probably won't and will want to beat down D Dunki and I'd laugh and applaud.
We don't have any behavior that would lead white people to put us down the social hierarchy. You are telling on yourself right now, so be careful not to show your true self too much on here. Black people are as amazing as any other race. Thinking otherwise means that you have a problem.
My $20 is still here for you bro regardless if you win or lose those lawsuits. Just take video of it and post it where we can all see it. I'll PayPal you afterward, I promise! But we "have" to be able to hear all the audio though.
Yes context matters. My best friend from my childhood was a white guy (he was also my best man at my wedding) use to say the "N" word around us black guys. Now he said it with the "a" at the end, but we gave him a hall pass because he was so-called "down" and cool if you catch my drift.
But he NEVER said the word when he got around our families. He NEVER used the word when he was around black people that he didn't know. Why didn't he? Because he understood context. And that's why he got the hall pass, because he didn't feel "entitled" to use the word whenever and where ever he was.
Yeah sure if I ever get to America ^^
Because he has manners. Again I also would not do that but here we are also arguing about sing a long of songs which should also be a pass. I am sorry but can can not force people that they can not do this in a free world. And it was ridiculous that the women? was social media mobbed because she sang a long a fucking rap song....
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mckmas8808
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You and many other people need to start to understand what Social Media (and society in general) is. Would you honestly think that she could use that word on that stage and nobody on planet Earth would be upset? So that's what your bar is now? What do people on Twitter say? Is this where we are a society measure all of our talking points?
My bar is when people get death threats for it and it is seen as justified by news media even villainizing her even more.
While when someone says kill all white babies the media is outraged when she gets the same social media outrage. Same with someone like Anita who blamed 2 hours after a school massacre toxic masculinity for it. Later it was known that it had nothing to do with it. And for a ll the shit she got the media played her like the victim.
What my bar is that there is a unfair double standard in Social media even banning accounts by twitter that is disgusting to see. Or like a teen who made a photo with braids. think vogue wrote about it as well saying something like it is bad she got these threats BUT basically it was her fault. They used the same logic as " no wonder you got raped. Look what you are wearing."
Oh the beachbody model who recieved death threats for it while media did not even care about this at all. They only talked how damaging it is to people especially girls to see a fit Women on an AD.
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Cauliflower of Love
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"Manners" is another way to say "I know who I am around" see: Who is America.
Papa
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Like so many others in this thread, your reading comprehension is lacking because you clearly do not understand my point.
mckmas8808
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I have great reading comprehension. So what did you mean by that social hierarchy remark?
Papa
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First, I’d like to know how you interpreted it.
mckmas8808
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I understood it exactly as you typed it. Just for clarity......this is what you typed.
You were pretty straightforward here. You left little room for interpretation. Your point was very clear.
Cauliflower of Love
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Fucking answer a question.
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Papa
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Then why do you not understand it?
Papa
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Fuck off with the outrage honeypots and I’ll be willing to clarify.
mckmas8808
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I believe I did understand you correctly. I even responded to the comment.
Papa
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But you won’t explain your interpretation of it. Given our past interactions, I think you’re genuine, but your mate Cauliflower is acting like a fuckwit and putting me on the defensive.
What I meant by the comment is the same thing we talked about a while ago with the Kanye lyrics.
Cauliflower of Love
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Honeypot.
I wish you would be on the defensive and say something.
I wish you would be on the defensive and say something.
Papa
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Go back to Twitter.
Sakura Doritos
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Papa
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mckmas8808
The justification for affirmative action policies is that blacks as a group are oppressed, i.e. lower on the social hierarchy. My argument is that people who would make this claim are looking at the wrong end of the system and trying to come up with treatments for something they have fundamentally misdiagnosed. They are looking at unequal outcomes and working backwards to claim that means there is unequal opportunity. That is blatantly wrong because there are so many variables in the algorithm of life that turn opportunity into outcome. Moreover, the civil rights act wasn't that long ago, and The Great Equalising was never going to happen overnight. You need to look at relative change and incremental improvements, not current absolute difference, and the reality is that the incremental improvements actually sum to enormous improvements over time (https://www.aei.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/BlackMenMakingItInAmerica-Final_062218.pdf).
The behaviours I refer to are those that perpetuate the culture of victimhood: the modern enslavement of the mind that prevents you, as an individual, from succeeding. You are not oppressed; your ancestors may have been, and there may be residual effects from that, but they are nowhere near as pronounced as the race-baiters claim and are improving significantly over time as detailed in the linked report above. Calling each other the n word is a call to the oppression of your ancestors and feeds the toxic mindset that you, as an individual, are actively being oppressed. This action is a feedback loop (cycle, as I previously referred to) that actually oppresses you. Cutting this behaviour out will help to achieve the outcomes you want, though obviously there are many other factors in play.
There's money to be made in convincing people they are victims, but you need to have the mental fortitude to ignore those who don't have your best interests at heart. If you have equality under the law, that's as close to equal opportunity as you can ask for. It's up to you to ignore the devil on your shoulder, focus on things that are within your control, and tune out anyone who would tell you that your situation is someone else's responsibility to fix.
Barsinister
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Papa
I think they are caught on the "social hierarchy" part. The implication being that you believe that some people are of a lower class or status. Of course we really know you were speaking in the abstract, but they will trip you up by taking it literally. I would take them to task for their impudence. If they want to act like little kids, treat them that way!
Papa
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I think they are caught on the "social hierarchy" part. The implication being that you believe that some people are of a lower class or status. Of course we really know you were speaking in the abstract, but they will trip you up by taking it literally. I would take them to task for their impudence. If they want to act like little kids, treat them that way!
Huh, you may be right, but in that case they would be completely misunderstanding what I’m saying. I’m not saying black people should be lower on the social hierarchy, I’m saying that the assumption that they are is the justification for so many things wrong with current social discourse and policymaking.
Barsinister
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It's a trick they play so they can't understand you. If you make an analogy, they pick at it until it falls apart. If you use a figurative statement, they take it literally. If they are always so bound and determined understand the opposite of what we mean, let's tell them NOT to play in traffic.
(OH NO! I am supporting violence! Or, am I? Ya' bunch of babies!)
Cauliflower of Love
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You rarely make sense bars.
and matt just says stupid shit, like:
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and matt just says stupid shit, like:
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Barsinister
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At first I suspected that you referred to the owner of this site as "lore" because you may want others to infer a closeness that may not exist. I no longer suspect it, because you just called me "bars". It seems to just be a thing you do because typing may be a difficult thing for you. I apologize for thinking bad thought of you. I can admit my mistakes and own up to them, even if you had no idea. I had it out for you, but no longer. Let's be friends?
I will make more sense to you if you take me with as much earnestness as you can muster. I don't mince my words and tell the truth as best as I know how. I think you are picking on a member of this forum and I won't stand for it. I hope you understand me a little better now.
Cauliflower of Love
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I like nicknames?
shrug?
shrug?
Barsinister
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Papa
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I hope you are still reading this thread. I hope you will see this example I set. Give them no quarter. If you're lucky they will only shrug at you.
Oh, I know. He either doesn't understand what I'm saying, in which case my suggestion of remedial reading comprehension remains valid, or he does understand but his cognitive dissonance won't allow him to admit it. Regardless, his last resort is to sneer and cherry pick, hence why I told him to go back to Twitter.
Barsinister
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He did it to me just now. I let him do it as an example to others. I even asked if we could be friends!
mckmas8808
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The justification for affirmative action policies is that blacks as a group are oppressed, i.e. lower on the social hierarchy. My argument is that people who would make this claim are looking at the wrong end of the system and trying to come up with treatments for something they have fundamentally misdiagnosed. They are looking at unequal outcomes and working backwards to claim that means there is unequal opportunity. That is blatantly wrong because there are so many variables in the algorithm of life that turn opportunity into outcome. Moreover, the civil rights act wasn't that long ago, and The Great Equalising was never going to happen overnight. You need to look at relative change and incremental improvements, not current absolute difference, and the reality is that the incremental improvements actually sum to enormous improvements over time (https://www.aei.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/BlackMenMakingItInAmerica-Final_062218.pdf).
The behaviours I refer to are those that perpetuate the culture of victimhood: the modern enslavement of the mind that prevents you, as an individual, from succeeding. You are not oppressed; your ancestors may have been, and there may be residual effects from that, but they are nowhere near as pronounced as the race-baiters claim and are improving significantly over time as detailed in the linked report above. Calling each other the n word is a call to the oppression of your ancestors and feeds the toxic mindset that you, as an individual, are actively being oppressed. This action is a feedback loop (cycle, as I previously referred to) that actually oppresses you. Cutting this behaviour out will help to achieve the outcomes you want, though obviously there are many other factors in play.
There's money to be made in convincing people they are victims, but you need to have the mental fortitude to ignore those who don't have your best interests at heart. If you have equality under the law, that's as close to equal opportunity as you can ask for. It's up to you to ignore the devil on your shoulder, focus on things that are within your control, and tune out anyone who would tell you that your situation is someone else's responsibility to fix.
You are right that change has happened over the decades and I'd like to think most black people are proud and happy about that. But this belief (and I can tell you strongly believe in it) that black people live in an era of the "culture of victimhood" will always be insane to me. You say this current mindset is "modern enslavement" that prevents black people as individuals from succeeding. My problems with this is two fold.
1. It seems like some people want to believe that calling out racism equals being a victim or having a "victimhood mentality". These people seem to think that one can't recognize bad behavior that's going on within our society AND also work hard and push for greatness. And it's weird for me to understand because it's what black folks have done for over 150 years now. And like you said there's been a lot of progress made over that time (mainly due to black people pushing for greatness). Calling out inequality doesn't have to equal having a "victim mentality".
2. My bigger issue is when you state that what's really holding black people back are black people themselves. I bolded the part of your post where you are insinuating this. You say this as if you've spent many years around black folks. Darn near no black person ever thinks saying the "N" word feeds into a toxic mindset that ends up oppressing ourselves. It doesn't stop anyone from picking up a book while in college and studying. It doesn't stop someone from wanting to create their own black own business. It doesn't stop anyone from getting their PhD if they want to get that.
And I know you understand the other factors at play that hurts black folk, so it's weird to have to explain this stuff. Stuff like "Stop and Frisk" does more to hurt the mentality of black folks than us saying the "N" word.
VAL0R
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The justification for affirmative action policies is that blacks as a group are oppressed, i.e. lower on the social hierarchy. My argument is that people who would make this claim are looking at the wrong end of the system and trying to come up with treatments for something they have fundamentally misdiagnosed. They are looking at unequal outcomes and working backwards to claim that means there is unequal opportunity. That is blatantly wrong because there are so many variables in the algorithm of life that turn opportunity into outcome. Moreover, the civil rights act wasn't that long ago, and The Great Equalising was never going to happen overnight. You need to look at relative change and incremental improvements, not current absolute difference, and the reality is that the incremental improvements actually sum to enormous improvements over time (https://www.aei.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/BlackMenMakingItInAmerica-Final_062218.pdf).
The behaviours I refer to are those that perpetuate the culture of victimhood: the modern enslavement of the mind that prevents you, as an individual, from succeeding. You are not oppressed; your ancestors may have been, and there may be residual effects from that, but they are nowhere near as pronounced as the race-baiters claim and are improving significantly over time as detailed in the linked report above. Calling each other the n word is a call to the oppression of your ancestors and feeds the toxic mindset that you, as an individual, are actively being oppressed. This action is a feedback loop (cycle, as I previously referred to) that actually oppresses you. Cutting this behaviour out will help to achieve the outcomes you want, though obviously there are many other factors in play.
There's money to be made in convincing people they are victims, but you need to have the mental fortitude to ignore those who don't have your best interests at heart. If you have equality under the law, that's as close to equal opportunity as you can ask for. It's up to you to ignore the devil on your shoulder, focus on things that are within your control, and tune out anyone who would tell you that your situation is someone else's responsibility to fix.
I'm sad to say there is an obviously delusional, perpetual victimhood mindset among a large number of blacks in this country. Their race fantasies are inflamed by leftist "leaders in the black community" and a liberal media who inflates all things race to the bursting point. There is almost never open discussion of a blatant black cultural crisis despite horrific crime and fatherless family statistics, etc., among blacks. Rational investigation that might find real solutions is replaced with useless, counterproductive and wildly overhyped railing against whites for their privilege and white constructed "institutional racism" boogeymen that exist only in imagination.
Watch Ben Shapiro dismantle this naïve and shallow view:
Papa
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You make some fair points but let me clarify further: I'm not saying that racism doesn't or exist or that genuine cases of it shouldn't be resisted; rather, I'm encouraging you to focus on things that are directly within your control. You're never going to stop that old white guy with a mental illness from yelling the n word, so why let it affect your daily life? I'm also saying that the problems are nowhere near as pronounced as certain people would have you believe, as evidenced by the AEI report I linked. "Calling out racism" has been industrialised; there are people building entire careers off of it, and convincing you that you need to participate in their game is how they make their money.
Let's conduct a thought experiment: imagine a pill that prevents racist/sexist thoughts from occurring is invented and all white people in America are forced to take it at the same time. What happens to BLM and feminists?
mckmas8808
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1. I see what you are saying, but what makes you think black people "don't" focus on things that are within our control? We can do both at the same time. No need to put your head in the sand.
2. On the thought experiment. I don't like the fact that you use the terms BLM and feminists in that way. It's just weird. But I'll try to answer with these questions. If they all took the pill does it then make them push and pass laws to readjust the decades\centuries of a head start that minorities and women have been in? If so I think over the period of 2 generations (about 35-50 years) groups like BLM and feminist would sorta disappear and be groups that we only read about in books. They only exist due to the current realities that we live in. If those realities don't exist anymore because racism and sexism disappears, then in many ways their need to exist goes away.
Papa
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1. You can, but one inhibits the other.
2. This is the affirmative action argument that has been done to death, but my view is that there is no adequate group-based solution to address historical inequalities. You cannot base it on race as many white people are descendants of immigrants who had nothing to do with slavery or whose ancestors lived in America at the time but were not involved in it. Moreover, many black people have been perfectly successful without the need for a leg-up, and those who do receive a leg-up are often not seen as equals by their peers, whether they will say it openly or not. If you can provide me with a group-based solution that equally addresses the disparate life circumstances of Malia Obama and a white crack baby born in Kentucky, I'm all ears, but I've never heard one that even comes close. All you can do is provide equality under the law and teach the history of it to prevent it from happening again. Furthermore, what you see as reality may not in fact be reality due to those "implicit biases" that the BLM and feminist types like to tell us we need to overcome. This is why we rely on evidence, and the evidence in the AEI report is overwhelmingly positive.
Vicetrailia
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1. No. At best I can say that some black people may worry about the culture of their workplace/environment in an all-white setting and fitting in. But one realizes quickly the status of it and learns to focus on being the best them. But otherwise, people get the tools that help them survive: knowledge is one of them and subtraction aides hardship.
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mckmas8808
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Exactly! This is how I know that some people just haven't met or even know enough black people. To think that someone focusing on discrimination or inequality equals balling up in a fetal position and giving up means that you just don't know enough black people.
Black folks quickly realize the situation and learn to code switch and deal with the situation. It's amazing how many people just don't understand what you are saying here. Goes to show that ignorance leads to terrible assumptions.