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[Linkura]

How many Catholics vote R?

About half.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/11/09/how-the-faithful-voted-a-preliminary-2016-analysis/

 

[DontBeThatGuy]

Separation of church and state? ACLU get on this.

No worries, they are.

 

[Ithil]

So this is another EO that doesn't actually really do anything but sounds like it does in a headline?

 

[alternade]

Disgusting. We just keep racing toward the kind of society we demonize in the middle east. Republicans are so delusional about the "oppression" they tout they face. When privilege is your norm, equality feels like oppression.

When are we ever going to address the biggest domestic threat to America, White Christian Men?

 

[darkwing]

So this is another EO that doesn't actually really do anything but sounds like it does in a headline?

looks like it

 

[Aurongel]

If they want to engage directly in politics and cultural issues then I 100% support their decision to do so but they need to pay taxes like any other organization that does the same.

 

[Darryl M R]

No worries, they are.

Good stuff I need to re-up my 35 member fee soon.

 

[Lord Frieza]

Pretty sure the Pope outright said his behavior was non-Christian.

That doesn't matter that much in America. The mainstream Christian Right, Pat Robertson, Franklin Graham, etc. was with Trump from the beginning, and ferociously defended him through the campaign.

 

[Carcetti]

Hope you'll enjoy living in Iran, Americans.

 

[Avixph]

About half.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/11/09/how-the-faithful-voted-a-preliminary-2016-analysis/

That looks like less than half.

 

[alr1ght]

ACLU doing what they do
https://twitter.com/ACLU/status/860172386154532864

Donate to them if you can

 

[SolidSnakeUS]

I'm pretty sure this would fuck up their tax exemption status. And I hope it does. Fuck them.

 

[plagiarize]

ACLU doing what they do
https://twitter.com/ACLU/status/860172386154532864

Donate to them if you can

Oh I do. Spread the good word though.

 

[Linkura]

That's less than half, about 30% to be more exact.

45-52 isn't 30%.

 

[darkwing]

I'm pretty sure this would fuck up their tax exemption status. And I hope it does. Fuck them.

I think this order is basically aimed against that, maintaining that tax exempt status while lobbying

 

[Avixph]

45-52 isn't 30%.

Yeah sorry about.

 

[Dazzler]

Disgusting. We just keep racing toward the kind of society we demonize in the middle east. Republicans are so delusional about the "oppression" they tout they face. When privilege is your norm, equality feels like oppression.

When are we ever going to address the biggest domestic threat to America, White Christian Men?

Came in to post this

It's 2017, church and state have no business being intertwined

 

[Hale-XF11]

This really is the darkest timeline. Never thought we'd live in a pseudo-theocracy, but here we are.

 

[Zatoth]

Reminds of Game of Thrones.. Forgot the priest name tho..

First thing that came to my mind when reading this.

 

[darkwing]

good thing is, Baal supporters can engage in more political activity too

 

[Koomaster]

Where is all the religious persecution coming from? I just don't see how (christian) religious organizations are being oppressed by the gov't that they need even more protection and consideration.

?____?

 

[smokeymicpot]

Our freedom of religion is not a #LicenseToDiscriminate.

@POTUS, we will see you in court, again.

https://twitter.com/ACLU/status/860172386154532864

That was fast.

 

[Luminaire]

Wasn't one of the foundations of the US being the separation of church and state?

 

[Hale-XF11]

Really wish I had started the immigration process a year ago for my move to Canada. I can't get there soon enough.

 

[RRockman]

Pretty sure the Pope outright said his behavior was non-Christian.

Any real Christian with a brain and/or actually reads their bible can tell you that. Unfortunately not many Christians in America that I've seen while living here actually fulfill either of those requirements.

 

[SolidSnakeUS]

I think this order is basically aimed against that, maintaining that tax exempt status while lobbying

Yet it's still a straight violation of the separation between church and state. I can almost guarantee that this EO will be shot down. If the fly ban gets shot down, so can this.

 

[The Salt Life]

I don't have a problem with this, but I come from a very Catholic family so what do I know.

 

[Imperfected]

That doesn't matter that much in America. The mainstream Christian Right, Pat Robertson, Franklin Graham, etc. was with Trump from the beginning, and ferociously defended him through the campaign.

I'm saying imagine a scenario where instead of a soft denouncement, the Pope is able to outright declare, "The Vatican's official policy is that no parish will support Donald Trump for President of the United States, and all priests are required to inform their congregations that Hillary Clinton is the Christian choice for the position."

Obviously, it should not be allowed. I'm just saying that I don't think this works as well for Trump as he would choose to believe, given that most of the Pro-Trump congregations were already dog-whistling the ever-loving fuck out of things or, in many cases, outright overstepping the bounds to support him, anyway.

 

[Razmos]

Absolutely fucking disgusting. Religion already has too big of a hold on American politics.

I don't have a problem with this, but I come from a very Catholic family so what do I know.

Ignorance is bliss

 

[Omegasquash]

Any real Christian with a brain and/or actually reads their bible can tell you that. Unfortunately not many Christians in America that I've seen while living here actually fulfill either of those requirements.

Yup. They seemed to love his response to Pope Francis as well.

 

[moggio]

Appropriate Frank Zappa songs to highlight how nothing changes:

Heavenly Bank Account.

Jesus Thinks You're a Jerk.

Remember there's a big difference between kneeling down and bending over, folks.

 

[darkwing]

Yet it's still a straight violation of the separation between church and state. I can almost guarantee that this EO will be shot down. If the fly ban gets shot down, so can this.

then hopefully ACLU is still funded, most likely they are going to fight this

 

[Ithil]

Any real Christian with a brain and/or actually reads their bible can tell you that. Unfortunately not many Christians in America that I've seen while living here actually fulfill either of those requirements.

There's a large portion of "Christians" in America that aren't actually Christians, they're some other new religion that's formed over the years. I don't know what you can call it, Americanism or something, but it's worship of capitalism, blind patriotism, a fake version of Jesus they cite nonstop, and hatred of basically everyone else on the planet.

 

[cameron]

ACLU doing what they do
https://twitter.com/ACLU/status/860172386154532864

Donate to them if you can

ACLU National‏ @ACLU
Today's executive order also enables private employers to use religion as a pretext to deny reproductive health care to their employees.

A bit from The Guardian:

The order will also deal a regulatory blow to Obamacare just as Republicans are poised to roll back key elements of Obama’s signature achievement in Congress.

Under the Affordable Care Act, the Obama administration required employee healthcare plans to offer coverage for a range of contraceptive devices and services.

However, it offered an exemption for groups with a religious mission that opposed contraception on moral grounds. To claim the exemption, an organization simply had to notify the health department that it would not cover contraception.

Many religious groups objected to even notifying the government that they didn’t intend to cover contraceptives. Because the government would make alternate arrangements to cover their employees, those groups argued, it was tantamount to the employers providing the coverage themselves.

These people have such trash beliefs.

 

[Netherscourge]

I can't wait for this to get exploited.

Get ready for Religious Lobbies.

 

[The Albatross]

One thing that Morning Edition on NPR pointed out this morning is that that it's liberal, Democratic churches who have been pushing most strongly for the political activism parts of this... They want to be able to advocate for Democratic leaders in their community, and the local church is often the only consistent community organization in low-income black communities.

Yes Catholics. Well, the Catholics who vote R anyway. They're generally single issue voters (abortion). Several members of my family are like this.

If Ds were anti-choice, they'd totally vote D.

The Catholic vote generally tends to break down along the general electorate, at least, it has in the last ~8 presidential elections. Catholics are also less likely to be single issue voters than other Christian denominations, as Catholics make up a significant portion of North East Democrats and South West Latino Americans. Politically, economically, and culturally, Catholicism is a very diverse religion.

 

[iRAWRasaurus]

Any real Christian with a brain and/or actually reads their bible can tell you that. Unfortunately not many Christians in America that I've seen while living here actually fulfill either of those requirements.

It's okay as long as you pray in the morning.

 

[sankt-Antonio]

I always thought christian churches around the world operate the same, then I've watched some videos about FOH life mixing and i came to a realization. You Americans and your churches have gone the way of sodom and gomorrah. WTH is this?

 

[Imperfected]

One thing that Morning Edition on NPR pointed out this morning is that that it's liberal, Democratic churches who have been pushing most strongly for the political activism parts of this... They want to be able to advocate for Democratic leaders in their community, and the local church is often the only consistent community organization in low-income black communities.

That's kind of the point I'm driving at. The Republican-favoring congregations have already managed to entrench their position over the last few decades by finding wedge issues they can use to tacitly condemn the opposition (abortion, for example). They're already effectively acting as political entities.

For the record, I still think this is a mistake and should not be done, I just think it's a mistake that turns around and bites Trump in the ass (while also eroding the ethical fabric of American government).

 

[Omegasquash]

Appropriate Frank Zappa songs to highlight how nothing changes:

Heavenly Bank Account.

Jesus Thinks You're a Jerk.

Remember there's a big difference between kneeling down and bending over, folks.

I would say that it's prescient, but yeah...these people haven't changed.

 

[Balphon]

then hopefully ACLU is still funded, most likely they are going to fight this

The ACLU is a 501(c)(4), so you won't get a tax benefit from donating to it.

They should do the smart thing and reincorporate as a church.

 

[EGM1966]

Churches deserve the right to engage in political speech.

It's the tax exemption they don't deserve.

Agree on Tax but how does the former work if you want division of state and religion?

Personally I disagree. Politics is the legal/social framework for everyone seperate from religion.

Religion is what you chose to do as an individual - I see it as no different than playing games or tennis. Should tennis clubs have a say in politics?

I mean I sure understand why religious groups want a say in politics and its exactly why I don't want them to have it.

 

[WhiskerFrisker]

Churches do not deserve political power or a voice what so ever. Christians aren't even supposed to have ties to the governments so it's pure hypocrisy on their part. We don't need religious fanatics having sway in what kinds of legislation is passed.

 

[digdug2k]

Churches deserve the right to engage in political speech.

It's the tax exemption they don't deserve.

Churches already engage in political speech. I'm not sure why we try to pretend it doesn't already happen.

 

[darkwing]

The ACLU is a 501(c)(4), so you won't get a tax benefit from donating to it.

They should do the smart thing and reincorporate as a church.

I lol'd

 

[constantstatic]

It's still amazing to me that an irreligious con-man like Trump convinced the religious right that he actually cares about them.

That's what Mike pence is for he is one of the religious nut jobs

 

[Aurongel]

It's still amazing to me that an irreligious con-man like Trump convinced the religious right that he actually cares about them.

He campaigned on a platform that clearly supported them, his personal character is irrelevant. We saw record numbers of evangelical voters this past election turn a blind eye to his shortcomings in that department. Pew Research broke this down wonderfully.

 

[FZZ]

Churches deserve the right to engage in political speech.

It's the tax exemption they don't deserve.

Yup

 

[The Last Wizard]

This won't be good.

 

[B33]

I hope the ACLU litigates and wins.