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[Windam]

This seems like some of the anti-poor shit, bootstrap, Randian bullshit that Paul Ryan blasts loads over. And Trumps hearing these loads being blown down the hall and he's like, "Paul, there's come everywhere!"

And the Ryan is all, "I just thought of a new way to screw the poor over! We'll tax food stamp use so stores have to charge the poor more! That'll get those xbox playing losers into the coal mines."

And Trump says, "I usually come a lot more when I get those ideas, Paul. My ideas are better, too. The best ideas. "

"Oh yeah," says Ryan as he approaches Trump.

"Yeah, I bet I can fuck the poor over harder and come twice as hard as you'll ever hope to."

They cross their erections as they stand face to face.

...To be continued.

wat

 

[mf.luder]

This is literally and actually the poor people tax. What a fucking mockery your country is.

 

[Damaniel]

Implying that Clinton herself isn't in the pocket of big businesses.

Granted, the Dems haven't moved far right enough to pull shit like this yet. Give them a few more years as the US center continues to move further and further right.

Ah yes, the old 'but both sides are the same!' bullshit. It gets old after a while.

I don't care how far up Goldman Sachs' ass Hillary was - she'd never consider anything remotely as heinous as this, nor would any of our supposedly far right Democrats.

 

[Palette Swap]

Implying that Clinton herself isn't in the pocket of big businesses.

Granted, the Dems haven't moved far right enough to pull shit like this yet. Give them a few more years as the US center continues to move further and further right.

Low effort excuse lol.

 

[Measley]

It's okay, I'm sure Hillary Clinton would have done the exact same thing if she were elected president.

Right guys?

 

[Mahonay]

"BUT HILLARY" still being brought up shows that some people really aren't grasping the magnitude of what's happening right now. It's not "politics as usual". Bring yourself back down to Earth and realize the insanity we're witnessing.

 

[Yekshemesh]

This is why Republicans won't impeach Trump anytime soon. They will use him as a scapegoat for all these morally bankrupt bills and when they have no use for that scapegoat only than will they impeach, leaving us with Pence to parden Trump when he gets sworn in. We are so fucked unless Dems when back at least one legislative branch in 2018.

 

[To Far Away Times]

And then they can redistribute that to the wealthy.

 

[Red Arremer]

Well explain why it is literally evil.

He is charging stores for accepting food stamps.
This will:
- Have many stores stop accepting food stamps
or
- Have many stores hike up the prices of food so they can recompense for the loss in profit

The ones that are hurt the most from this are mostly small businesses because the big chains will easily be able to take the loss. The ones that are especially affected by this are smaller stores in rural areas as well as town districts that are mostly inhabited by people that work for super low wages and thus mostly run off of SNAP funds. This means they will not be able to support themselves any longer and likely are going to be forced to close due to loss of customers who pay with food stamps or simply not being able to afford to offer SNAP under the pressure of the costs associated with it.
I also wouldn't be surprised if Wal-Mart and other big chains roll the costs onto the customer like they usually do.

In other words, this reduces the availability of stores that help keep the poor fed, and those that stay in the program will likely raise their prices to roll the loss of profit onto the customer, actively hurting not only the poor themselves, but also other lower income households.

And this is done for the purpose of tax cuts to especially the wealthy.

How can you not see how this is evil? This is akin to taking a loaf of bread from a minimum wage worker to give it to a bank manager.

 

[eBay Huckster]

Implying that Clinton herself isn't in the pocket of big businesses.

Granted, the Dems haven't moved far right enough to pull shit like this yet. Give them a few more years as the US center continues to move further and further right.

it's okay, you can admit you fucked up instead of making up this fantasy world where the Democrats aren't actively moving left

 

[Yeah You See How You Scum]

Well explain why it is literally evil.

It's literally evil to punish businesses for interacting with the poor. It's literally evil to take funds of assistance being given to poor people and redirect it to the rich through a backchannel. It's literally evil to make poor people pariahs and do all we can to abdicate our responsibility towards them.

 

[fantomena]

 

[GK86]

Poor people don't need to eat anyway.

 

[F34R]

I doubt this will be any different than the fees stores have to pay to use credit card purchasing options.

Stores aren't going to quit taking ebt/snap, etc., because they are being charged to allow it. If they are still profiting from people buying, they'll stay in.

 

[CornBurrito]

Ah yes, the old 'but both sides are the same!' bullshit. It gets old after a while.

I don't care how far up Goldman Sachs' ass Hillary was - she'd never consider anything remotely as heinous as this, nor would any of our supposedly far right Democrats.

Both sides aren't the same, however both the Dems and Republicans are varying flavors of neoliberal.

I wish the Dems were actually a leftist party but they are not. If you want to really help the poor I suggest voting for third party socialist/anti-capitalist parties.

it's okay, you can admit you fucked up instead of making up this fantasy world where the Democrats aren't actively moving left

How did I fuck up exactly?

Are you implying I voted for Trump? Lol.

The Democrats are undoubtedly better on social issues. They will still crush the poor inevitably with neoliberal economic policies.

I voted Green. I would have voted Bernie Sanders. Your party fucked up by rigging the DNC for Hillary.

 

[riotous]

Will fuck over all kinds of businesses; taxing them and at the same time losing business to the cuts to the program.

This has to piss off not just poor and liberals; need to focus in how it hurts businesses though to appeal to the assholes out there

 

[Ron Mexico]

I doubt this will be any different than the fees stores have to pay to use credit card purchasing options.

Stores aren't going to quit taking ebt/snap, etc., because they are being charged to allow it. If they are still profiting from people buying, they'll stay in.

It's not different although I'd expect the administration to charge more than interchange on current cards, which in turn will cause Visa, MC et al to raise their interchange fees to match. That cost gets passed along to consumers as well.

Again, that's how you defeat this nonsense, but saying "The GOP is fucking the poor", while simultaneously true, takes way less effort.

 

[Nostremitus]

So... An attack on small businesses who can't float the cost? Another attempt at turning the mid-upper middle class against the poor?

You don't say...

 

[Mr.Shrugglesツ]

I just realized he popped out his earpiece.


Dude totally checked out.

 

[Frozenprince]

I'll give them some credit.

I'm sure they don't WANT poor people to starve, then they couldn't use them to beat put even more money for the wealthy.

They just don't CARE if you starve. Since they get this money regardless.

 

[CornBurrito]

I'll give them some credit.

I'm sure they don't WANT poor people to starve, then they couldn't use them to beat put even more money for the wealthy.

They just don't CARE if you starve. Since they get this money regardless.

Actually, they know that starving people will not simply lie down and die. Notice the expansion of private prisons and the increasing police state.

Also literal actual slavery is allowed as punishment for a crime in the US.

Fully legal slavery will return once again, but affluent people will not care overall because it will be "dirty prisoners" who "deserve" it.

 

[Frozenprince]

Both sides aren't the same, however both the Dems and Republicans are varying flavors of neoliberal.

I wish the Dems were actually a leftist party but they are not. If you want to really help the poor I suggest voting for third party socialist/anti-capitalist parties.



How did I fuck up exactly?

Are you implying I voted for Trump? Lol.

The Democrats are undoubtedly better on social issues. They will still crush the poor inevitably with neoliberal economic policies.

I voted Green. I would have voted Bernie Sanders. Your party fucked up by rigging the DNC for Hillary.

God and people wonder why our country is fucked.

A literal tax on poor people and STILL we gotta do this nonsense that one side isn't better.

The other side is better simply by virtue of NEVER DOING THIS IN THE FIRST PLACE. Jesus H Christ. And I'm sure you're reading all your local and state reps campaign pages and voting in every mid term too since you are so concerned.

And are we STILK doing this rigged primary nonsense.

 

[Coffinhal]

I wonder how much it'll hurt its electorate in their day-to-day life and they won't even realise it, or blame someone else.

"candidate of the poor, president of the rich"

 

[F34R]

It's not different although I'd expect the administration to charge more than interchange on current cards, which in turn will cause Visa, MC et al to raise their interchange fees to match. That cost gets passed along to consumers as well.

Again, that's how you defeat this nonsense, but saying "The GOP is fucking the poor", while simultaneously true, takes way less effort.

Yeah, I'm not saying it's a good thing to do for sure. I'm 100% against things the fed gov. will do that will increase the cost of daily living for me and my family. I have had to go through ACA health care cost increases, I definitely wouldn't wish basically an increase in the cost of living on anyone.

 

[poppabk]

He is charging stores for accepting food stamps.
This will:
- Have many stores stop accepting food stamps
or
- Have many stores hike up the prices of food so they can recompense for the loss in profit

The ones that are hurt the most from this are mostly small businesses because the big chains will easily be able to take the loss. The ones that are especially affected by this are smaller stores in rural areas as well as town districts that are mostly inhabited by people that work for super low wages and thus mostly run off of SNAP funds. This means they will not be able to support themselves any longer and likely are going to be forced to close due to loss of customers who pay with food stamps or simply not being able to afford to offer SNAP under the pressure of the costs associated with it.
I also wouldn't be surprised if Wal-Mart and other big chains roll the costs onto the customer like they usually do.

In other words, this reduces the availability of stores that help keep the poor fed, and those that stay in the program will likely raise their prices to roll the loss of profit onto the customer, actively hurting not only the poor themselves, but also other lower income households.

And this is done for the purpose of tax cuts to especially the wealthy.

How can you not see how this is evil? This is akin to taking a loaf of bread from a minimum wage worker to give it to a bank manager.

I was saying if you restricted this to companies that took say $100 million in food stamp money per year or maybe even a billion dollars. Large corporations that are receiving no doubt a lions share of the $75 billion dollars coming directly from tax payers.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2014/08/05/how_much_walmart_gets_in_food_stamp_dollars_the_answer_may_be_forthcoming.html
"In addition to being the nation’s largest retailer, Walmart likely takes in the most food stamp dollars—an estimated 18 percent last year, according to leaked comments from a company vice president at a private dinner last fall, which Walmart later confirmed. That sum would amount to $13 billion, or about 4 percent of Walmart’s total U.S. sales."
Which would amount to approximately $5 billion of loaves of bread in profit for those poor minimum wage Waltons.

 

[DietRob]

This is literally and shamelessly a 'poor people tax'.

What a terrible idea

 

[Peccavi]

Goddammit, don't fuck with foodstamps! By dollar spent its the best government expenditure at growing the economy, basically injecting money straight into the market via the group with the largest marginal propensity to consume, the poor.

Wealth trickles up, not down. Reagan economics makes for a good morality play but is complete bullshit.

 

[SlickShoesRUCrazy]

republicans, it's only a matter of time before your heads end up in these.

just saying.

 

[Not]

FUCK this guy

People fucking DEPEND on this SHIT to LIVE

YOU FUCKER

 

[Rran]

But the estate tax, that just had to go...

 

[IsntChrisL]

This would probably cause grocery stores to raise prices, affecting everyone. These people are so much worse than Bush.

 

[Johndoey]

The Republican dedication to slowly killing a large portion of their voting base is something.

 

[jmdajr]

This idea will be a huge hit with GOPers.

 

[sturgboski]

Both sides aren't the same, however both the Dems and Republicans are varying flavors of neoliberal.

I wish the Dems were actually a leftist party but they are not. If you want to really help the poor I suggest voting for third party socialist/anti-capitalist parties.



How did I fuck up exactly?

Are you implying I voted for Trump? Lol.

The Democrats are undoubtedly better on social issues. They will still crush the poor inevitably with neoliberal economic policies.

I voted Green. I would have voted Bernie Sanders. Your party fucked up by rigging the DNC for Hillary.

So you admitted you fucked up. It's all nice to be an idealist and think any party but Democrats or Republicans can get into office and vote based on that ideal. In the real world that we live in, voting 3rd party was a vote for Trump. Congratulations on your victory, you sure showed the people who can see the forest for the trees, the folks who can see that one of the two parties hues closest to their ideals and the other is the antithesis of everything they believe and vote accordingly.

 

[LiK]

When will the 3 ghosts visit him?

 

[Red Arremer]

I was saying if you restricted this to companies that took say $100 million in food stamp money per year

And you really think that the GOP, of all people, is going to restrict this specifically to companies that are making a high profit off of food stamps?
That's naive levels of optimism.

 

[Randy Monk]

republicans, it's only a matter of time before your heads end up in these.

just saying.

 

[Polioliolio]

Orange bloated turd. What a sad loser. Worst president ever.

 

[Godzilla's Left Toe]

republicans, it's only a matter of time before your heads end up in these.

just saying.

They have no conscious I wouldn't put it past them to use weapons against US citizens.

 

[Shaanyboi]

How any moral person could support this is unthinkable...

How a Republican could support this? Well that's just standard practice.

 

[poppabk]

And you really think that the GOP, of all people, is going to restrict this specifically to companies that are making a high profit off of food stamps?
That's naive levels of optimism.

No, as I said originally I don't think this is how this plan is going to shake out, given who originated it and it's likely goal. I'm just saying a plan like this properly implemented doesn't sound like a bad idea given the billions in profits companies like Walmart are pulling in on the back of a social welfare program.

 

[Koyuga]

Fuck this shit

Eat the rich

 

[Dryk]

I doubt this will be any different than the fees stores have to pay to use credit card purchasing options.

Stores aren't going to quit taking ebt/snap, etc., because they are being charged to allow it. If they are still profiting from people buying, they'll stay in.

The key difference is that if you want to avoid a credit card surcharge you can just pay cash. People on SNAP don't have the luxury of avoiding the fee.

 

[Horp]

This is just absurd. Have nothing witty to add.

 

[Meowster]

This is really terrible.. both for poor people and for businesses. I work with people on food stamps every week for my job and reading things like this just makes my heart boil and break. Actively making life difficult for the poor and needing is as low as a person can get, imho.

 

[OG Shaka Zulu]

republicans, it's only a matter of time before your heads end up in these.

just saying.

Feelings of racial superiority are so integral to some Americans that I never see this happening in a million years. LBJ was correct on that race dynamic quote.

 

[Dan]

I just realized he popped out his earpiece.


Dude totally checked out.

Not really, he has no need for it there. He's either ready to go on camera or just came off. The earpiece isn't for the press briefing.

 

[F34R]

The key difference is that if you want to avoid a credit card surcharge you can just pay cash. People on SNAP don't have the luxury of avoiding the fee.

Rarely do I come across a store that has a surcharge for using my Visa.. it happens, sure, but it definitely hasn't affected my bottom line. If it does, then I will shop elsewhere. Choices. We'll have to see how it affects others in a real world situation if this even goes through.

 

[Mr.Shrugglesツ]

Not really, he has no need for it there. He's either ready to go on camera or just came off. The earpiece isn't for the press briefing.

Hey!


Leave me to my made up stories out of context!

 

[Ron Mexico]

Rarely do I come across a store that has a surcharge for using my Visa.. it happens, sure, but it definitely hasn't affected my bottom line. If it does, then I will shop elsewhere. Choices. We'll have to see how it affects others in a real world situation if this even goes through.

Oh you pay them, you just don't see it because it's already baked in to the price.

So those choices are more than a fair bit overblown, and that's the knock on effect of this-- if SNAP changes I can guarantee interchange does as well and that will be factored in to your cost of goods.

Apologies that I don't have any internet-point scoring fanfic, gifs or guillotines as I prefer to stick to the far more sobering reality.