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"Turkey asks Germany to prosecute comedian over Erdoan poem"

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Ladekabel

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Update: Merkel allows Turkey to sue Böhmermann.

GAMEPROFF said:
She just confirmed at the Bundespressekonferenz.
http://www.tagesschau.de/eilmeldung/merkel-erklaerung-zu-boehmermann-101.html
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Nibel said:
English article
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36055488
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In Turkey, Recep Tayyip Erdoğan’s inability to take a joke may hardly be news. But after the Turkish government asked for the prosecution of a German comedian for performing a satirical poem about its president, it is now well known in Germany, too.

Coming shortly after the European Union’s “refugee swap” deal with Turkey took effect, the row has not only triggered a debate about the limits of free speech in Germany but also raised questions of whether Europe has made itself too reliant on the moods of Turkey’s strongman president, who is engaged in a crackdown on the media in Turkey.

In a short clip from a late-night programme screened on the German state broadcaster ZDF at the end of last month, comedian Jan Böhmermann sits in front of a Turkish flag beneath a small, framed portrait of Erdoğan, reading out a poem that accuses the Turkish president of, among other things, “repressing minorities, kicking Kurds and slapping Christians while watching child porn”.

The scene was broadcast shortly after it emerged that Turkey had demanded the deletion of another satirical song from the German comedy show extra3, and Böhmermann’s poem was deliberately framed as a test of the boundaries of satire. Throughout his reading the comedian is advised by a “media lawyer” who tells him that this is precisely the sort of thing that does not qualify as satire.
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On 6 April it emerged that Germany’s state prosecutor was investigating Böhmermann for violation of the little-used paragraph 103 of the criminal code, which concerns insulting organs or representatives of foreign states. At worst the comedian was facing a prison sentence of up to three years – though until the Turkish government filed its formal request for Böhmermann’s prosecution, few seemed to think that the case would go ahead.
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Apparently in order to try to appease the Turkish government and discourage it from pursuing the matter via legal challenges, Merkel told Turkey’s prime minister, Ahmet Davutoğlu, that the poem was a “deliberately offensive text” that she personally disapproved of. But the Turkish government seems to have read her comments as an invitation.
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More at http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...rosecute-comedian-jan-bohmermann-erdogan-poem

Bonus:

Mit drastischen Worten sagte der Vizeministerpräsident Numan Kurtulmuş in der südosttürkischen Stadt Şanlıurfa, das Gedicht sei nicht nur eine Beleidigung von Präsident Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, sondern von allen 78 Millionen Türken. Zwar sagte Kurtulmuş, die Türkei wolle "absolut keinen politischen Druck" auf Deutschland ausüben. Er warf Böhmermann aber vor, ein "schweres Verbrechen gegen die Menschlichkeit" begangen zu haben. Das Gedicht habe "alle Grenzen der Schamlosigkeit übertroffen". Die Regierung in Ankara könne das nicht akzeptieren. "Deshalb wollen wir als Republik Türkei natürlich, dass dieser unverschämte Mann im Rahmen der deutschen Gesetze sofort wegen Beleidigung eines Präsidenten bestraft wird."
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http://www.zeit.de/politik/2016-04/...ei-ermittlungen-schmaehgedicht-menschlichkeit

Rough summary:

Turkish vice prime minister says, that Böhmermann's poem wasn't just an insult to Erdogan but to all 78 million turk. Even calls it a crime against humanity. So of course they want Böhmermann to be punished by German Law for insulting a foreign president.

First time doing a thread like this. If somethings wrong badly done or in general old, write a poem about me.
 
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Acorn

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Turkey needs to be slapped down with sanctions for their numerous violations of human rights and democracy.

If they get in the EU it is doomed even more than today.

Fuck Turkey.
 
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Frustrated_me

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Thanks, Erdogan.

For making Turkey look like such a joke. I promise guys, Turkish people (well, the good majority of folk who have not been brainwashed by the AKP) are good folk.
 
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SporeCrawler

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hardly doubt that this will come to anything. germany has very lax diffamation laws and freedom of speech is a constitutional right. the very maximum will be that böhmermann maybe pays a small penalty. no way he is going to jail.

and well the poem actually was very racist (basically saying that all turks stink like pigs). there is no way defending boehmermann on that one.
Team Alucard said:
Kick them out of NATO.
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kicking germany out of the nato just because a comedian insulted a turkish president... okay...
 
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Frustrated_me

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Team Alucard said:
Kick them out of NATO.
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Moff

Moff

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the real joke is that there is a law in germany that says you will be punished for insulting another country's president (or other officials).
 
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Lord Virgin

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Acorn said:
If they weren't situated as a buffer country they'd be treated like Iran and rightfully so. Horrible government.
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I mean, with that logic every country on earth should be treated like shit...
 
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Acorn

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INST said:
I mean, with that logic every country on earth should be treated like shit...
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Uh I don't see the uk or us taking over media companies to peddle propaganda and jailing opponents of the govt.

I don't understand where you are coming from at all?
 
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cyba89

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Such a joke how this started with the extra3 song and now we have this. Turkish president apparently has nothing better to do than watching german television and being offended about it.
 
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ElTorro

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Moff said:
the real joke is that there is a law in germany that says you will be punished for insulting another country's president (or other officials).
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Yeah, I have no idea why this law exists in the first place. The penalties it defines are even higher than those defined by the more general law against personal insults. The rationale probably is to prevent diplomatic conflicts that might cause more severe consequences between Germany and other nations; a prioritization of political realism over justice. I still think it's silly. A county like Germany should be more confident and show more integrity towards other nations. We really don't need to accommodate idiots like Erdogan for nonsense like this.
 
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Lord Virgin

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Acorn said:
Uh I don't see the uk or us taking over media companies to peddle propaganda and jailing opponents of the govt.

I don't understand where you are coming from at all?
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Pretty much every government is horrible in their own way? I don't see Turkey spying on their own citizens and bomb people in Pakistan....see how easy it is.

Not defending Erdogan or anything like that, seems to be cunt. But saying they should be treated like Iran because they have a horrible government is kinda nonsensical and kinda hypocritical. So should your own country in that case because they ain't that clean either.
 
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Piecake

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A person who is thinned skinned and can't take criticism. Sounds like the perfect person to have as President. Not to mention that he has to be a complete idiot because why the fuck would he think Germany would do this? All it is going to do is going to make him look like an even bigger joke internationally.

Does this crap play well in Turkey or something?
 
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Frankfurter

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Im still surprised that Erdogan went along with this. He really must be incredibly foolish, considering that he can only lose no matter if there is a trial or not..
 
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SporeCrawler

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ElTorro said:
Yeah, I have no idea why this law exists in the first place. The penalties it defines are even higher than those defined by the more general law against personal insults. The rationale probably is to prevent diplomatic conflicts that might cause more severe consequences between Germany and other nations; a prioritization of political realism over justice. I still think it's silly. A county like Germany should be more confident and show more integrity towards other nations. We really don't need to accommodate idiots like Erdogan for nonsense like this.
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you are absolutely right. it is to prevent diplomatic conflicts.

however the german penalty code is inferior to the german consitution and the german constitution explicitely guarantees freedom of speech. furthermore boehmermann actually said that he is just showing an example of what may be punishable. in front of a court he could easily argue, that the poem does not reflect his own views but was only an example to explain german law.
 
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Acorn

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INST said:
Pretty much every government is horrible in their own way? I don't see Turkey spying on their own citizens and bomb people in Pakistan....see how easy it is.

Not defending Erdogan or anything like that, seems to be cunt. But saying they should be treated like Iran because they have a horrible government is kinda nonsensical and kinda hypocritical. So should your own country in that case because they ain't that clean either.
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This is a intellectually lazy equivalence nonsense. Crimes against human rights in your own nation is a completely different game than the west's follies. Spying? How do you think he jails opponents?

He is a dictator monster that needs punishment.
 
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Chairmanchuck

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ElTorro said:
Yeah, I have no idea why this law exists in the first place.
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Its a relict of the past and it shouldnt exist anymore.
Similar to the "bee-paragraphs" in our BGB:

https://dejure.org/gesetze/BGB/961.html

and well the poem actually was very racist (basically saying that all turks stink like pigs). there is no way defending boehmermann on that one.
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If its the same poem I am seeing, there is no such thing in it. The only thing that talks about "all turkish" is, that all turkish are singing that the has small testicles.
 
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ElTorro

I wanted to dominate the living room. Then I took an ESRAM in the knee.
This is the poem, by the way.

Sackdoof, feige und verklemmt,
ist Erdoğan der Präsident.

Sein Gelöt stinkt schlimm nach Döner,
selbst ein Schweinefurz riecht schöner.

Er ist der Mann, der Mädchen schlägt
und dabei Gummimasken trägt.

Am liebsten mag er Ziegen ficken
und Minderheiten unterdrücken

Kurden treten, Christen hauen,
und dabei Kinderpornos schauen.

Und selbst abends heisst’s statt schlafen,
Fellatio mit hundert Schafen.

Ja, Erdoğan ist voll und ganz
ein Präsident mit kleinem Schwanz.

Jeden Türken hört man flöten,
die dumme Sau hat Schrumpelklöten.

Von Ankara bis Istanbul
weiss jeder dieser Mann ist schwul,
pervers, verlaust und zoophil:
Recep Fritzl Priklopil.

Sein Kopf so leer, wie seine Eier,
der Star auf jeder Gang-Bang-Feier.

Bis der Schwanz beim Pinkeln brennt,
das ist Recep Erdoğan, der türkische Präsident.
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Translation from https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/4ebe9p/what_böhmermann_said_english_translation/

Sod-dumb, cowardly and hesitant
Is Erdogan the President

His boner smells like Döner
Even a pig's fart smells finer

He's the man who punches girls
while wearing a bloody rubber mask

Things he loves the most is shagging goats
and oppressing minorities

Kicking Kurds, beating up Christians
while watching child porn

And in the evening instead of a nap
Fellatio with a hundred sheep

Erdogan is all things considered
a President with a tiny wang

Every Turk can be heard whispering:
This dumb pig has got shrivel-balls

From Ankara to Istanbul
Everyone knows this man is gay
perverted and zoophil
Recep Fritzl Priklopil

His head as empty as his balls
the star guest on every gang-bang party

until his tiny wang starts to burn while having a piss
That's Reccep Erdogan
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ZombiePlatypus

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Oh Holy shit, someone was tone-deaf enough to open the "crimes against humanity" box while trying to appease Turkey here? Lol OK, please let's talk about crimes against humanity with Turkey. In fucking April too. Brilliant.
 
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Lord Virgin

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Acorn said:
This is a intellectually lazy equivalence nonsense. Crimes against human rights in your own nation is a completely different game than the west's follies. Spying? How do you think he jails opponents?

He is a dictator monster that needs punishment.
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Seriously, I agree with you on Erdogan. Fuck him, don't care about the guy.

I was just pointing out your flawed logic which makes no sense. You literally said they would (and should) have been treated like Iran for having a horrible government. But that is true for all countries. And you certainly did not do yourself any favours by using the US and UK as an example...which are terrible in their own way. So based on your logic (shitty government) those countries need to be punished as well, right?
 
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Piecake

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INST said:
Seriously, I agree with you on Erdogan. Fuck him, don't care about the guy.

I was just pointing out your flawed logic which makes no sense. You literally said they would (and should) have been treated like Iran for having a horrible government. But that is true for all countries. And you certainly did not do yourself any favours by using the US and UK as an example...which are terrible in their own way. So based on your logic (shitty government) those countries need to be punished as well, right?
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You are delving into false equivalencies
 
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Acorn

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INST said:
Seriously, I agree with you on Erdogan. Fuck him, don't care about the guy.

I was just pointing out your flawed logic which makes no sense. You literally said they would (and should) have been treated like Iran for having a horrible government. But that is true for all countries. And you certainly did not do yourself any favours by using the US and UK as an example...which are terrible in their own way. So based on your logic (shitty government) those countries need to be punished as well, right?
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Horrible govt= undemocratic, human rights crimes, jailing of dissidents and so on. Not a govt I happen to oppose like the tories here. So no.

Turkey is closer to North Korea and Iran than the west in those terms (even if they aren't as bad clearly as NK they are closer in govt).

Fuck ups by the west can't be compared to institutional human rights abuse, propaganda and silencing of opponents as well as the way Kurds are treated like African Americans pre civil rights.
 
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Piecake

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INST said:
How so?
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Governments can be worse than others. Obviously the poster was using this on top of a bunch of different actions that Turkey did to come to his conclusion that Turkey should be marginalized. I am not saying that I agree with his position, but that was clearly how he reached that conclusion

Saying that all governments do bad shit is meaningless.
 
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