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Twin Peaks Season 3 OT |25 Years Later...It Is Happening Again
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Holy jumpin' jackfish!
What an episode. When it went to the Roadhouse with almost 9 minutes left after all that happened, I was pretty livid. Then that ending. It's been speculating so much but the reveal was just amazing.
Oh, so much great stuff this episode. Mr. C gets to the coordinates and sends Richard to check them out. "Oh. Goodbye, my son." Fucking fantastic. That flippant confirmation of what we all knew was great and Jerry Horne's presence was the icing on the cake.
I knew Chantal and Hutch were done for since last episode, but man, what an ending. Who could have predicted they'd be taken out by a heavily armed and overly stressed Polish accountant? A converted fully-auto Glock 17 with extended clip? God bless America.
Coop waking up went about how I expected it to go. I guess we know what that tone is now. I wonder if means Mike is hanging around the Great Northern in his spare time or if it isn't someone else? Maybe BOB went home. Jesus, when "Falling" started playing while Bushnell had the Mitchums on the phone, I teared up a little. itshappening.gif
So happy the Mitchums and Candie are along for the ride!
Ever since Albert gave Tammy the download on the Blue Rose cases, I wondered if Dougie wasn't a 'tulpa' since he clearly wasn't a doppelganger. That scene with Diane all but confirms it and clearly Diane was one too. Still not 100% sure what the distinction is apart from tuplas seemingly being dumb copies seemingly mostly unaware they aren't real, whereas doppelgangers seem to be pretty much pure evil. Great exit for Diane T(ulpa). "You were manufactured."
"I know. Fuck you." I would have never guessed it Diane was Naido, or vice versa. However that works. I mean if that's now what she meant when she says "I'm at the sheriff's station", I'm stumped.
Something is definitely off about communication between Diane and Mr. C though. Diane's phone says the message was sent at 3:44pm. Mr. C sends it at 2:05AM. He's either on a different continent or there's some kind of delay or relay of messages going on.
Lynch, Frost, Showtime. Whatever it takes. I need more.
EDIT: Forgot to say, LOVED the end credits with Audrey's Dance played in reverse. Fucking excellent.
What an episode. When it went to the Roadhouse with almost 9 minutes left after all that happened, I was pretty livid. Then that ending. It's been speculating so much but the reveal was just amazing.
Oh, so much great stuff this episode. Mr. C gets to the coordinates and sends Richard to check them out. "Oh. Goodbye, my son." Fucking fantastic. That flippant confirmation of what we all knew was great and Jerry Horne's presence was the icing on the cake.
I knew Chantal and Hutch were done for since last episode, but man, what an ending. Who could have predicted they'd be taken out by a heavily armed and overly stressed Polish accountant? A converted fully-auto Glock 17 with extended clip? God bless America.
Coop waking up went about how I expected it to go. I guess we know what that tone is now. I wonder if means Mike is hanging around the Great Northern in his spare time or if it isn't someone else? Maybe BOB went home. Jesus, when "Falling" started playing while Bushnell had the Mitchums on the phone, I teared up a little. itshappening.gif
So happy the Mitchums and Candie are along for the ride!
Ever since Albert gave Tammy the download on the Blue Rose cases, I wondered if Dougie wasn't a 'tulpa' since he clearly wasn't a doppelganger. That scene with Diane all but confirms it and clearly Diane was one too. Still not 100% sure what the distinction is apart from tuplas seemingly being dumb copies seemingly mostly unaware they aren't real, whereas doppelgangers seem to be pretty much pure evil. Great exit for Diane T(ulpa). "You were manufactured."
"I know. Fuck you." I would have never guessed it Diane was Naido, or vice versa. However that works. I mean if that's now what she meant when she says "I'm at the sheriff's station", I'm stumped.
Something is definitely off about communication between Diane and Mr. C though. Diane's phone says the message was sent at 3:44pm. Mr. C sends it at 2:05AM. He's either on a different continent or there's some kind of delay or relay of messages going on.
Lynch, Frost, Showtime. Whatever it takes. I need more.
EDIT: Forgot to say, LOVED the end credits with Audrey's Dance played in reverse. Fucking excellent.
Eaten By A Grue
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David Lynch is a goddamn genius if there was any doubt. I still stand by my statement before that I have never been though such a roller coaster of emotions watching a season of TV as I have with this season. I had the biggest shit eating grin on my face when Cooper came back and the music was playing. Then the whole shootout and the scene with the Mitchum brothers. The Diane being fake. Audrey's dance. It is just crazy, how for this entire season I could not even guess one single thing was going to happen each episode, it was so random. When this is all done next week there is going to be a huge void when all is said and done.
All the Cooper scenes in this part were so comically rushed, it made him look as if he came straight out of a Twin Peaks parody. The man lost 25 years and he's acting as if nothing happened. Kinda makes Dougie look like a fully-formed, well-adjusted human being by comparison.
Hindenblewp
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Zoe
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Sounded like the ringing right before Cooper woke up. Since it doesn't seem like they're going to acknowledge Josie, Audrey's the next person whose status is unknown to have a connection to the Great Northern...
Buttonbasher
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He's a man on a mission. He knows the brief life he spent in Dougie's shoes isn't his own, so he needs to get on track, and has a lot of ground to cover.
Airola
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Not that corny though. That was some next level "straight to dvd -movie" corny.
To think of it, if it somehow ends up being so that Cooper actually is the FBI, like literally in some otherworldly fashion, then I will accept the line
Eaten By A Grue
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Also was Diane one of the two people who gave Cooper the coordinates to Booper that got Audrey's son electrocuted? I was thinking Diane gave Booper those coordinates in hopes it would get him killed. Then when Diane received the smiley face from Booper she realized she failed and knew that Booper was on to her. Essentially the smiley face was like a "hey nice try killing me!" That is when things got crazy and Diane tried to shoot Cole, Ablert, and the other one. That is what I am guessing.
Still feels like there is a reason for showing it like that besides Mr. C just retried sending the message 13 hours later.
I thought a while back Red could be Mrs Tremond's grandson, simply because he does magic. He makes Garmonbozia disappear from a plate and into his hands in front of Donna, and in Laura Palmer's diary she notes that he walked up to her and pulled a coin out of her ear then walked away. He was also at the Red Diamond motel where Leland backed away from Teresa Banks cos Laura showed up. Probably a coincidence and Red is just a new character, but worth mentioning.
Hot damn, that is a solid theory I had never considered.
Annie coming up like she did is still sorta surprising to me. Secret History (and then Norma vaguely hints at this in the past few episodes) changed Norma's backstory such that she had a dead mom/no mentioned siblings/a different last name. I expected "How's Annie?" to end up questioning the different... timeline? Dimension? That this is set in. But I guess she existed normally but just isn't Norma's sister anymore? Huh...
Airola
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Yeah, that's pretty much how I felt too.
Also I feel that because he was so quickly so alert and the way the whole thing happened, this could've been done in, say, episode 7 and it would've felt just the same. It kinda feels like all the slowness hasn't been really that important after all because things are suddenly so quickly as if nothing had really happened.
Still, a good episode. I'm going to miss Dougie though. They went on too long with him so that I'm not really even digging the OG Cooper that much any more
It's as if he knows that "shit, there's only two episodes left, I have to get going"
gray_fox224
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AMAZING.
giancarlo123x
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This episode was so good. My girlfriend and I were smiling from ear to ear when coop awakened. The music was the perfect icing on the cake.
Damn that was a great episode. The use of the TP music during the return of Cooper was so fucking good. The whole Audrey scene was suitably creepy, the way the dude announced it's her dance, and the audience swaying as she went was dreamlike and unsettling. The 3-way at Dougie's house was wonderfully absurd and awesome. Was there a hint at the neighbor before this? Dopple-Diane's last words being "I know. Fuck you".
It's gonna be a long week waiting for the finale.
It's gonna be a long week waiting for the finale.
UltraMagnanimous
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I could watch 50 episodes of this.
UltraMagnanimous
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I had coffee and cherry pie for episodes 1 & 2. By god I'm doing the same for the finale.
I really enjoyed this change and it fits with his character. No bullshit but courteous. He knows that time is of the essence and he can grieve for his lost years later. Great (and of course intentional) contrast in pacing too after the slow buildup.
Askherserenity
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The fucking best.
I had coffee and cherry pie for episodes 1 & 2. By god I'm doing the same for the finale.
I dunno if it'll be cherry, but you're making me think some pie (and coffee ice cream, maybe) would be a good idea for the finale...
Eaten By A Grue
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I cannot believe next week may be the final time we will ever see of the Twin Peaks universe after getting it back after 25 years 😭.
I would always love another season of this, but I would rather David Lynch go out on top and end his career on a high note if this turns out being the last work he does.
I would always love another season of this, but I would rather David Lynch go out on top and end his career on a high note if this turns out being the last work he does.
He needs to get on track in a show that wasn't even slightly interested in doing so. I find it hard to care about his mission after 16 hours of Lynch telling me that literally everything in the world is more worthy of our attention than whatever it is the "main plot" might turn up being about in the last two hours.
I'm much more interested in Cooper(s) as a human being (or a few of them), than his vaguely defined mission.
It really feels like an extended prologue to a feature-length script. At least... that's the best case scenario which kinda depends on the story completely changing the pace at which it's been moving so far.Yeah, that's pretty much how I felt too.
Also I feel that because he was so quickly so alert and the way the whole thing happened, this could've been done in, say, episode 7 and it would've felt just the same. It kinda feels like all the slowness hasn't been really that important after all because things are suddenly so quickly as if nothing had really happened.
Still, a good episode. I'm going to miss Dougie though. They went on too long with him so that I'm not really even digging the OG Cooper that much any more
I'm with ya, Dougie is by far my favorite Cooper in the history of Coopers.
it's so crazy that even though I predicted a lot of this, the parts that I didn't made it ridiculously amazing.
so, the Roadhouse is all in her head then. That explains NIN and Vedder, which she would have known about. And the people in there whom no one knows, except for the few that she knew herself like James and Shelly. And Richard, her son, who died. Hmm.... will Chad die?
Then again it could be part in her head and part not. Or she's in a lodge.
so, the Roadhouse is all in her head then. That explains NIN and Vedder, which she would have known about. And the people in there whom no one knows, except for the few that she knew herself like James and Shelly. And Richard, her son, who died. Hmm.... will Chad die?
Then again it could be part in her head and part not. Or she's in a lodge.
stuminus3
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Perfect.
One of the most important take aways I felt... the tragic fate of Dale Cooper doesn't seem to be all that tragic anymore?
As weird as wherever Coop has been is, he's clearly got a rapport with MIKE and now seems knowledgeable in the ways of the Lodge. Plus the purpose of Janey-E and Sonny Jim turned out to be exactly what I said it was all season. Coops' "you both filled my heart" comment... filled my heart.
One of the most important take aways I felt... the tragic fate of Dale Cooper doesn't seem to be all that tragic anymore?
As weird as wherever Coop has been is, he's clearly got a rapport with MIKE and now seems knowledgeable in the ways of the Lodge. Plus the purpose of Janey-E and Sonny Jim turned out to be exactly what I said it was all season. Coops' "you both filled my heart" comment... filled my heart.
Buttonbasher
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Nah, he gave MIKE/Philip Gerard his hair, and asked about the seed so he could make a new Dougie for that family to have.
miazakiplz
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My prediction is that this is Agent Cooper's plan -
Kill Mr.C. Cooper puts the ring on him and he returns to the black lodge. This will probably not happen directly in Twin Peaks and Imo is more likely to happen in one of the other dimensions we've seen throughout the series. Kind of mirroring how Mr.C chased real Cooper down in the black lodge (series 2 finale), except this time I think it will be the other way around.
New doppelgänger Cooper that Gerard is creating will replace the real Cooper because Mr.C has killed so many people - "Dale Cooper" cannot go unpunished. Will either be killed or arrested.
Real Cooper will go back to live in Vegas and live happily ever after with a Blue Velvet-esque final scene.
But maybe because Lynch predicts we'll predict this (lol)- something much weirder will happen.
so murderous accountant, and also the insurance guy looking for Truman in the first ep...?
I don't think this matches up with every scene in the Roadhouse being in Audrey's mind. This is because the glove guy was in one scene, and yeah there were some scenes like with Chad and Richard which clearly are playing out in the bigger reality of the show. So, either everything that has taken place to do with any scene where those characters appear in the Roadhouse is in Audrey's head, OR, the scenes with the random women talking about the people Audrey has been are.
I think it's the latter.
This really does make those scenes retroactively very interesting, when I hadn't paid them much attention before. I'll have to watch some of that stuff again.
This episode threw a LOT of stuff out of 'this is irrelevant bullshit' territory. Say what you will about the road taken to get here, I've still got my reservations about some of it, but it is looking like it really is all gonna be part of something.
Only 2 hours left though, god damn. I suppose this is the way you want to feel when a show is coming to an end, but man, I wish we were just getting started.
so Diane was a tulpa, so there's still a real Diane out there? the tulpa was to trick Bad Coop?
what is Candy?
Richard fried because he has Bad Coop's genes? But he couldn't have planned that trip. Richard followed him.
Why did Coop fully wake up? there was no catalyst. And he must've been in there the whole time because he knew everything.
will we ever figure out what 1-1-9 is about?
what is Candy?
Richard fried because he has Bad Coop's genes? But he couldn't have planned that trip. Richard followed him.
Why did Coop fully wake up? there was no catalyst. And he must've been in there the whole time because he knew everything.
will we ever figure out what 1-1-9 is about?
The catalyst would be the electricity, which has been heavily associated with the black lodge/spirits/what have you this season. But he also seemed to be getting closer to waking up in that scene in general, before he got shocked.
stuminus3
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He needed a little privacy for a little inter-dimensional phone call with MIKE?
Billy Zane. I mean why not go meta at this point?
I don't agree with this. She was just realizing she sent him the correct coordinates, but was fighting it, like "oh shit why did I send him the right ones to the sheriff's station??????" - it's because she was being controlled by bad coop. She sent those after she realized he was still alive.
so Dougie was created in 1996 and so was this Diane tulpa.
I don't think there was ever a meeting with bad coop. I think that was just implanted in that tulpa's head, to try to throw them off and make them think badly of Coop.
I think her tulpa was just translating Naido's clicks somehow from afar.
is Candy the final tulpa? Ready to kill Coop on the flight?
I don't think there was ever a meeting with bad coop. I think that was just implanted in that tulpa's head, to try to throw them off and make them think badly of Coop.
I think her tulpa was just translating Naido's clicks somehow from afar.
is Candy the final tulpa? Ready to kill Coop on the flight?
KO Traveling Hobo
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Hell of an episode. I'm pretty disappointed with how Coop being "out of sand" was pretty much swept aside, though. Seems like that scene from one of the early episodes of him tearing up while looking at Sonny Jim is the closest we'll get to Cooper confronting everything he's lost.
I know Cooper is supposed to be the indomitable boy scout, but it would have been neat if he lived a day in Dougie's life while sound of mind. I wanted to see a part of him cry out to stay in that dream, to really drive home what he had lost and what he was once again giving up.
Charlie continues to be amazing. I wonder what his role in Audrey's real life is. Was that supposed to be a padded pych ward room, or some kind of supernatural space?
I know Cooper is supposed to be the indomitable boy scout, but it would have been neat if he lived a day in Dougie's life while sound of mind. I wanted to see a part of him cry out to stay in that dream, to really drive home what he had lost and what he was once again giving up.
Charlie continues to be amazing. I wonder what his role in Audrey's real life is. Was that supposed to be a padded pych ward room, or some kind of supernatural space?
Broseybrose
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I think Out of Sand might actually be about Audrey
I think there was a meeting with Bad Coop, and after the rape he created the tulpa of Diane and trapped the real Diane in the lodge or something.
I don't know man, this is all so crazy.
KO Traveling Hobo
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You know, that occurred to me while the scene was playing out, but somehow it slipped away from me. I guess because I've been associating it with Coop for months.
Cripplegate
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So what's up with that humming noise at the Great Northern? We hear it in the hospital before Coop wakes up (it leads Bushnell out of the room so Coop and Mike can talk). James hears it too in that one scene, I think? After tonight's episode, it's certainly Lodge related, but is it Mike? Something else? This is actually bugging me more than any other unanswered question right now, haha.
Diane doesn't have any other coordinate than the one she got from Ruth's arm, right?
And she was manufactured for a purpose, which seems to be getting Mr. C the info he needs.
I was thinking Jeffries and Ray were the source of the two "bad" coordinates. Ray definitely had the real coordinates if he got them from Ruth, but he was also working with Jeffries and even implies before he dies that he wouldn't give the real coordinates to Mr. C.
Hard to say though because I don't actually know where the third set comes from, if Diane doesn't text the coordinates until after the " ALL" message. And then confirms that she is the source of the real coordinates before she dies.
Diane doesn't have any other coordinate than the one she got from Ruth's arm, right?
And she was manufactured for a purpose, which seems to be getting Mr. C the info he needs.
I was thinking Jeffries and Ray were the source of the two "bad" coordinates. Ray definitely had the real coordinates if he got them from Ruth, but he was also working with Jeffries and even implies before he dies that he wouldn't give the real coordinates to Mr. C.
Hard to say though because I don't actually know where the third set comes from, if Diane doesn't text the coordinates until after the "
ALL" message. And then confirms that she is the source of the real coordinates before she dies.
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