Personally, I am just fine dismissing speculation about author intent when the author explicitly says when something was not his intent :lol
Twin Peaks Season 3 |OT2| It's Just A Change, Not An End
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Personally, I am just fine dismissing speculation about author intent when the author explicitly says when something was not his intent :lol
I've never thought of David Lynch as someone who operates on a cultural commentary level, so I never even consider things like Freddie being a satire of superheroes. I mean who knows, I'm not saying I think Lynch stuff is completely random, but I do think it's very self-obsessed and self-referential, rather than outward looking. I mean he claims he doesn't even really watch new movies or anything, just not a guy I can see wanting to rip on the marvel extended universe. With the box; nothing so direct as 'this is a commentary on watching TV' - because of the reason I just said and also b...what commentary? what's the substance of it?
How much of Twin Peaks is 'intended' though? A major element of Lynch's creative process is about surrendering to his subconscious and his intuition.
I don't think Lynch is commenting on Marvel or whatever. More that he's using the symbolism of 'TV', a thing that presents us with convenient dreams, in the same way that Hollywood serves this purpose in Mulholland Drive.
If there is any subconscious TV symbolism to the viewing box (and I feel there is) I don't really feel that's operating on the level of commentary.
The actress is really beautiful, and I liked the character. It's a shame he wasn't in it more, but then that might have undermined the Jones's storyline which I won't have.
I agree, she was great. Wish there was more of her.
To go further with this, here's how Lynch was questioned about that:
I don't think that this rules out the scene being intended to echo Sarah Palmer watching the animal rip apart its prey on the TV, which is what I was arguing. There are echoes and parallels all throughout the season: the Woodsman and Jacobi, Bushnell the boxer and the magic glove, the lucky penny and the Abe Lincoln Woodsman, etc
But again, who knows what's intended and what's not. I wouldn't say authorial intent is irrelevant, but Lynch himself tell us that we find our own meaning in a work like Twin Peaks.
Brian_FETO
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Didn't see this posted on the last few pages....
I know at a certain point the rabbit hole of overlaying footage is some insane person stuff but this is pretty fascinating
Endings of 17+18 overlapped leading into a reversed/rearranged Part 2 sequence
Can't say I care for calling it "The Real Ending" when it's someone's theory/edit but the way this plays out is rad as hell and makes sense?
make. sense of it
I know at a certain point the rabbit hole of overlaying footage is some insane person stuff but this is pretty fascinating
Endings of 17+18 overlapped leading into a reversed/rearranged Part 2 sequence
Can't say I care for calling it "The Real Ending" when it's someone's theory/edit but the way this plays out is rad as hell and makes sense?
make. sense of it
Corpsepyre
Banned
https://www.reddit.com/r/twinpeaks/comments/6znkvl/s3e18_tracking_judy/
Give this a look. Interesting stuff here, though people will have different ideas to a number of things mentioned here.
Give this a look. Interesting stuff here, though people will have different ideas to a number of things mentioned here.
Corpsepyre
Banned
Twin Peaks explanation: 430 is the key to the Twin Peaks world!
Give this crazy fucker a look as well.
Give this crazy fucker a look as well.
Brian_FETO
Banned
DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
I only saw the very first season years ago around the time it first came out. Is it worth getting all caught up? I forgot almost everything about it, I tried to rewatch the original Twin Peaks again and it just didn't stand the test of time to me, I had a hard time watching it.
But I had some interest in going back if it's worth getting caught up again for this new season.
But I had some interest in going back if it's worth getting caught up again for this new season.
The first two seasons and Fire Walk with Me are absolutely essential. You'll be completely lost without them. You can probably skip the middle part of Season 2 though. Consult this if you are tempted to skip episodes:
Corpsepyre
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Necron
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cablenathan
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Has enough time passed fhat it is appropriate to go for a rewatch?
Lol. Too real
Do it. I'm already onto episode 5.
This time through I'm listening to the Entertainment Weekly podcast. I dont really find the one guy annoying.
Yeah the theories and discussions have been something else.
Latest one that connected with me while sifting through the Reddit channel is people talking about the similarities between this season and Philip K Dick's Ubik, possibly one of my favourite sci-fi book:
"Some connections:
1. older surroundings and tech (although it hasn't continued going backwards), 2. communications with the "outside" (or "inside") world through odd portals, 3. talismans (Ubik in the book, a variety of things in Twin Peaks), 4. uncertainty about who is in half-life/"the dreamer", 5. objects re-appearing where they shouldn't, 6. a mounting sense of dread, 7. a pointed satire of consumerism, 8. juxtaposition of extreme kitsch and philosophical ideas, 9. uncertainty about who to trust."
The first two seasons and Fire Walk with Me are absolutely essential. You'll be completely lost without them. You can probably skip the middle part of Season 2 though. Consult this if you are tempted to skip episodes:
One day I want to make an edit of the show that removes nothing but Billy Zane's character. In a series that has some iffy acting he stands out, dude is an absolute charisma black hole.
mariachi507
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Billy Zane can take James and his motorcycle with him as well. I can keep the rest.
Well, they can keep the weasel as well. I binged the entire series again right before the finale and the bad parts of season two were more tolerable. Probably due to knowing what goodness laid ahead.
Discotheque
Banned
Just watch it all. Hacking away at these shows is stupid unless they are like 12 seasons long or are not heavily serialized with their storytelling
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CliffyB's Cock Holster
Unlikely. If you check out Soundcloud and do a search for "KEXP Twin Peaks" there's a bunch of radio chats/interviews with (Lynch's audio guy) Dean Hurley that go into some detail as to the origin's of the various music selections.
I gotcha. Although these other parallels are really interesting!
Now this is a theory I can get behind (for the most part at least). A lot of this stuff makes sense and lines up pretty well with each other without having to speculate too much about the Fireman/Judy cosmic chess game.
It wasn't. Johnny Jewel said recently that they wrote the song a few years ago, Lynch's music supervisor was a fan and put it on Lynch's radar, who liked it and decided to use it. I don't think they were given any insight into the story about how to write music for it either. Jewel said he'd just write music based on what his memories of Twin Peaks were (as opposed to going back and rewatching the show, for fear of then too closely emulating the show's score), and send hours of stuff to Lynch to listen to, who would then pick out things like Windswept that he liked.
Sumio Mondo
Member
Sounds optimistic to me. I can imagine the whole process is draining for him, so he wants another break for a bit. It's understandable.
Corpsepyre
Banned
He should get all the time he wants for the new season though. He's not getting any younger, as is the cast, so I just hope he makes a short mini-season and caps this all off.
Master_Funk
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I was totally expecting we probably wouldnt hear about another season until 2020, so I am hopeful.
kopitarrulez_11
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Just finished episode 8 what in the fuck did my brain just witness I'm assuming it was backstory for the woodsmen who are creepy as fuck
It was backstory for the Woodsmen, BOB, and who you know currently as "The Experiment." With a healthy dose of reading between the lines, it will all fall into place...
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Deleted member 80556
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I knew he was eccentric, but "I don't bathe" eccentric was way beyond my thoughts hahaha.
I do feel a S4 is gonna happen. Here's hoping that everyone remains healthy in the mean time.
KO Traveling Hobo
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I am down with a S4 if Diane doesn't come back.
Dusk Golem
A 21st Century Rockefeller
I just keep worrying that something may happen and Lynch might not live much longer, like he smokes a lot and such so cancer or something.
But I'll remain hopeful.
But I'll remain hopeful.
Sounds optimistic to me too. Fingers crossed.
Airola
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I'm still quite bothered that this
ended up with this
They could've used Bob to be morphed on people's faces with no problem.
But what we got was exactly one scene like that (and it was awesome!) and the rest was this orb thing.
The mirror scene was so damn promising it's a shame they never went anywhere with it.
ended up with this
They could've used Bob to be morphed on people's faces with no problem.
But what we got was exactly one scene like that (and it was awesome!) and the rest was this orb thing.
The mirror scene was so damn promising it's a shame they never went anywhere with it.
Hrm the thing with season 4 is that as much as me and everyone else wants it, what else can Lynch really tell us about the Twin Peaks world? Unless he goes balls-to-the-wall with the time travel/parallel reality stuff, Judy as the endgame pretty much sends the series in one direction and one direction alone. To be honest, it might just be better for him to release another film ala Fire Walk With Me and resolve some of the bigger mysteries of Season 3 (like what is happening with Audrey) while establishing a few more mysteries as well.
I'd be more up for a 2-3 hour movie than another 18 hour series, honestly. There was a lot of chaff and bullshit mixed in with good stuff this season, and not just 'this is boring' but like 'this is actually pissing me off' kind of bad - the sheer brutality against women at times, that scene where gordon is admiring the french woman leaving, audrey's stuff except for the last minute of it - and I'm sure some of that would be the first on the chopping block
Also, if he's going to make more film stuff, why not something entirely new? This season basically killed off all but the die hard David Lynch/arthouse fans anyway. I'd be surprised if there were more than a few Peaks-only casual fans left standing by the end of it. A lot of this had very little to do with Twin Peaks at all, so why not be free and not have to tie in meandering ideas to an existing world/mythology?
Then again, I really don't mind. Like I said in a previous post, I've kind of had everything I need out of David Lynch with this last gargantuan piece of work.
Also, if he's going to make more film stuff, why not something entirely new? This season basically killed off all but the die hard David Lynch/arthouse fans anyway. I'd be surprised if there were more than a few Peaks-only casual fans left standing by the end of it. A lot of this had very little to do with Twin Peaks at all, so why not be free and not have to tie in meandering ideas to an existing world/mythology?
Then again, I really don't mind. Like I said in a previous post, I've kind of had everything I need out of David Lynch with this last gargantuan piece of work.
InaudibleWhispa
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I think a movie would be a good fit for where the story left off, I'm not sure how a whole season would tackle that. I'd devour a season 4 though, I just hope people aren't asking for it with the expectations that it'll offer more resolution. Whether he does 3, 4 or 25 seasons he's always going to end it on a similar note.
Corpsepyre
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I dont think he's going to make a film, given what he now thinks of Hollywood and the cinema itself. He's really into cable TV. Unless he makes something for Netflix, then yeah that can be discussed. But a standalone theatrical release, hmm nah.
VistraNorrez
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I do not see Lynch/Frost making another 18 hours of Twin Peaks.
But even if they aim to make a feature length piece, he'll still shoot 5+ hours of material.
But even if they aim to make a feature length piece, he'll still shoot 5+ hours of material.
I think it's reasonable to hope for an Inland Empire ambiguous ending as opposed to the Mulholland Drive meets Lost Highway tone of the ending we got. Personally I think the ending was perfect.
I'm very, very happy with what we got, and if this is the end, I'm more than satisfied. I have absolutely no idea what the next season could or would be. The only reason I would be excited is because I'm going to see these great people make another thing, not necessarily to get 'closure'. There are always going to be a lot of things left open to interpretation, no matter how many more hours of Peaks we get. Which is as it should be.
And even though I'm very happy with this ending as the final ending, if they announce another season in 2/3 years, I'm confident they're not going to screw it up. As long as it's Lynch and Frost again, it's going to be fine. They're not suddenly going to Jurassic World the shit out of this, and I assume that they're only going to do more it's going to be something they think is worth making. That's good enough for me.
And even though I'm very happy with this ending as the final ending, if they announce another season in 2/3 years, I'm confident they're not going to screw it up. As long as it's Lynch and Frost again, it's going to be fine. They're not suddenly going to Jurassic World the shit out of this, and I assume that they're only going to do more it's going to be something they think is worth making. That's good enough for me.
Considering that Lynch loves Wizard of Oz I guess I can't be too surprised that he likely included something akin to the Oz + Dark Side of the Moon overlaying into Twin Peaks. I dunno if this has been posted but both of each full episodes have parts that pair up https://medium.com/@onantiad/episod...n-are-meant-to-be-watched-in-sync-81352ce38e8
Sabrina Sutherland already said that that was not how it was intended.
https://www.reddit.com/r/twinpeaks/comments/6zb65w/im_sabrina_sutherland_executive_producer_of_twin/
Of course, this isn't Lynch answering (he'll never say anything about it), but after Lynch she's the closest person who could give a definite answer on this.
The first two seasons and Fire Walk with Me are absolutely essential. You'll be completely lost without them. You can probably skip the middle part of Season 2 though. Consult this if you are tempted to skip episodes:
Ah shit so I'm still in the "good parts". I've never seen Twin Peaks and I'm wanting to finally watch all of it now that it's completed. I'm on Season 2 Episode 4 and thought it was great so far considering how much flak I heard season 2 got. But turns out I just haven't gotten into the crap yet, I really hope season 3 is worth it.
It is. All I'll say is, be ready for a very different experience. Some people hate it, some people love it. But if it clicks with you, it can be something very special.
It's honestly one of my favorite tv experiences of all time. Which I know sounds hyperbolic as hell and the same thing people say whenever their favorite superhero gets a new movie, but hand on my heart, I mean it.