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Twin Peaks Season 3 |OT2| It's Just A Change, Not An End

Krev

Unconfirmed Member
lol at all those "Were you honestly expecting more of the same? This is Twin Peaks: The Return not Twin Peaks Season 3" people.
It's more like, "were you honestly expecting more of the same, David Lynch is an artist who doesn't care about catering to audience demands and its been 25 years."
Why would Twin Peaks season 3 be anything like the previous two? The conditions and context of its creation are vastly different. We'd already seen Fire Walk With Me, which took Twin Peaks in a very different direction to what it had previously been.
 

gun_haver

Member
I've put my more complex thoughts about this season into words plenty of times in this topic, now I just have a few simple ones that kind of rattle around when I think about it:

- It was a little too bleak, Twin Peaks seemed like a complete shithole, Vegas seemed like a more welcoming place. Think about it - Ed and Norma are the only one's who's lives aren't mega depressing by the end.
- Would have liked just a little bit more of Cooper, interacting with people he actually knew from his old life. He barely said a word to anybody from then.
- More Bobby. We got a decent amount, but I love him and the way they took his character.
- More of Becky. For a minute I thought 'ohhh, she's gonna be the centerpiece of the Twin Peaks story', when she showed up. But nope!
- More music would have been good, too. I won't do it, just because of the time involved, but I have thought about going over the show with it's own OST and some spare use of the original show's ost and putting in some score to a lot of the long silent scenes.
 
It's more like, "were you honestly expecting more of the same, David Lynch is an artist who doesn't care about catering to audience demands and its been 25 years."
Why would Twin Peaks season 3 be anything like the previous two? The conditions and context of its creation are vastly different. We'd already seen Fire Walk With Me, which took Twin Peaks in a very different direction to what it had previously been.

You're absolutely right. We should have expected only 10 minutes of Dale Cooper in a 18 hour long show. Those who were expecting more are idiots.
 

Airola

Member
It's more like, "were you honestly expecting more of the same, David Lynch is an artist who doesn't care about catering to audience demands and its been 25 years."
Why would Twin Peaks season 3 be anything like the previous two? The conditions and context of its creation are vastly different. We'd already seen Fire Walk With Me, which took Twin Peaks in a very different direction to what it had previously been.

Then again Lynch said he didn't like how silly all became in season 2 and told that the Pilot is Twin Peaks to him. He told this while making Season 3.

So it really is not a wonder that people were expecting something else.

It was a popular theory that the season would slowly build up into being more like the old show was. People noticed how the music was absent but thought they are hearing the music becoming more prevalent as the season goes forward. People thought it was a genius way to do the season. Slowly getting the original feel back here and there. That happened to a very small extent, just enough to entertain the thought that this might be how it is, but it didn't really happen at all.

And at first "The Return" was actually used to counter the naysayers who were disappointed by the lack of the mood and worried that it might never come back that this is "The Return" and the mood will come back, the mood will eventually return. "The Return" is a proof of it.

"Don't worry, there is still half of the season left."
"Don't worry, there is still more than the original length of Season 1 left."
"Don't worry, there is still, like, half of the original length of Season 1 left."
"Don't worry, there are still many episodes left."
"Don't worry, there is still feature length movie worth of time left."

That happened. That was a real thing.

During that time "The Return" evolved from "return means the mood will come back" to more like "this is The Return and not Season 3, what were you expecting?"
And now it seems to be about Lynch just being an artist so again, lol, what were you expecting?


So, when Lynch himself mocks the silliness of season 2 and says how the Pilot is Twin Peaks to him, all the while producing Season 3, it's not a wonder that some were disappointed that the season ended up being absolutely nothing like the Pilot episode even in the last stretch of the season, and ended up having even sillier things going on than Season 2 ever had.
 

Krev

Unconfirmed Member
You're absolutely right. We should have expected only 10 minutes of Dale Cooper in a 18 hour long show. Those who were expecting more are idiots.
I didn't say that.
TSo, when Lynch himself mocks the silliness of season 2 and says how the Pilot is Twin Peaks to him, all the while producing Season 3, it's not a wonder that some were disappointed that the season ended up being absolutely nothing like the Pilot episode even in the last stretch of the season, and ended up having even sillier things going on than Season 2 ever had.
There's a difference in how it's handled. The Dougie stuff is ridiculous, but it's serving a greater thematic purpose. Nadine in high school or pine weasels or civil war Ben whatever in season 2 were aimless silliness without a point.

Having seen the season, I think what Lynch meant when he spoke about the pilot was returning to the core ideas of everybody being shaken by an unspeakable evil and not knowing how to process it, imagery like the dark roads at night and the general air of mystery.

All I was saying before was that if you've followed Lynch's career up to this point, it wasn't totally unpredictable that the show would end up being very bizarre. This isn't just something that it's easy to say in retrospect, people were saying it before the first episode aired. Personally, I of course couldn't expect Dougie - who could predict something like that? - but I had tried to clear away expectation and be open to the ride, since Lynch has gotten increasingly closer to the experimental roots of his earliest work in recent years.
 

gun_haver

Member
Then again Lynch said he didn't like how silly all became in season 2 and told that the Pilot is Twin Peaks to him. He told this while making Season 3.

So it really is not a wonder that people were expecting something else.

It was a popular theory that the season would slowly build up into being more like the old show was. People noticed how the music was absent but thought they are hearing the music becoming more prevalent as the season goes forward. People thought it was a genius way to do the season. Slowly getting the original feel back here and there. That happened to a very small extent, just enough to entertain the thought that this might be how it is, but it didn't really happen at all.

And at first "The Return" was actually used to counter the naysayers who were disappointed by the lack of the mood and worried that it might never come back that this is "The Return" and the mood will come back, the mood will eventually return. "The Return" is a proof of it.

"Don't worry, there is still half of the season left."
"Don't worry, there is still more than the original length of Season 1 left."
"Don't worry, there is still, like, half of the original length of Season 1 left."
"Don't worry, there are still many episodes left."
"Don't worry, there is still feature length movie worth of time left."

That happened. That was a real thing.

During that time "The Return" evolved from "return means the mood will come back" to more like "this is The Return and not Season 3, what were you expecting?"
And now it seems to be about Lynch just being an artist so again, lol, what were you expecting?


So, when Lynch himself mocks the silliness of season 2 and says how the Pilot is Twin Peaks to him, all the while producing Season 3, it's not a wonder that some were disappointed that the season ended up being absolutely nothing like the Pilot episode even in the last stretch of the season, and ended up having even sillier things going on than Season 2 ever had.

You are right - I've made some of the same points less succinctly, but I accept that it comes down to taste after a certain point. There's no denying that the goalposts kept getting moved throughout the season in terms of how people were *allowed* to react, and then once it was over, it turns out people who were worried they weren't going to get much of what they wanted at all, were 100% right.

I think there is a contingent of people who are basically determined to like this regardless of exactly what it is because of it's perception as being artistic and avant-garde, but those kinds of people are the same kind who would never admit that kind of thing, so it's a pointless argument to get into. You can't prove it, so you end up looking like the one being unreasonable.
 

Hitmeneer

Member
Slightly off-topic. In Italy there has been a slightly controversial commercial for an Italian snack on TV. The story of the snack is that a kid says she would like to have a light and tasty breakfast. The parents say that if that would be possible, they should be hit by a meteor (as to say it is impossible).

Here is the original:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lD2OANXqco

And here is a great "what if done by David Lynch" version:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2MLvNuZ3NM
 

Airola

Member
There's a difference in how it's handled. The Dougie stuff is ridiculous, but it's serving a greater thematic purpose. Nadine in high school or pine weasels or civil war Ben whatever in season 2 were aimless silliness without a point.

Dougie was not the problem there. Well, to some it was but not for me. There were sillier things than that, like Ike the Spike and Hulk-glove punching Bob orb in the face.

I don't think high-school Nadine, the pine weasel and civil war Ben were pointless either.

Having seen the season, I think what Lynch meant when he spoke about the pilot was returning to the core ideas of everybody being shaken by an unspeakable evil and not knowing how to process it, imagery like the dark roads at night and the general air of mystery.

Well, you can always pick some specific details and connect those to Season 3 and leave the rest that don't fit out of it and you can make things more connected in your mind.

Many would argue though that for example the general air of mystery was gone in season 3. Or at least not as mysterious and as well done as in the Pilot.

I think it's more likely that Lynch didn't think it like that. He just didn't do what he thought the pilot was all about. It's a possibility that he genuinely thought the Pilot was Twin Peaks to him and for some reason he just didn't attempt to go that direction. There might not be any reason to try to find connections between Season 3 and the pilot.

I mean, in Part 17 when you see the Pilot footage it's absolutely clear how different season 3 was all around. Those moments just made me miss those old episodes. And sure you could say that's the point that you miss something you can't get, but they could've made that point in much more interesting ways.

All I was saying before was that if you've followed Lynch's career up to this point, it wasn't totally unpredictable that the show would end up being very bizarre. This isn't just something that it's easy to say in retrospect, people were saying it before the first episode aired. Personally, I of course couldn't expect Dougie - who could predict something like that? - but I had tried to clear away expectation and be open to the ride, since Lynch has gotten increasingly closer to the experimental roots of his earliest work in recent years.

I've followed Lynch's career since I saw Twin Peaks when I was 8 years old back in 1991. I love Eraserhead, Fire Walk with Me, Lost Highway and Mulholland Drive. I like Elephant Man, Dune, Straight Story and Inland Empire. I don't like Blue Velvet and Wild at Heart that much. But I'm a huge fan of his.

Sure some said before the first episode aired that it may not be what we think it would be. Most, I think, didn't say that though.

I took the ride too, clearing the expectations, but the reality for me just is that even by thinking of this as one of Lynch's oddball movies it wasn't as good as Eraserhead, Fire Walk with Me, Lost Highway and Mulholland Drive. And seeing the season and not finding it as good as those movies I can't help but to think how it might've been better had it been done in more "Twin Peaksy" style.

I mean, part of the reason I "cleared out my expectations" was because I was initially disappointed by the first two episodes and I needed to not hope it to be something I expect it to be. That maybe it will be better that way. But in the end it really wasn't that much better even with that perspective. And it certainly didn't help that the show would sometimes make a small step back into what I initially hoped it could be.

You can't really dismiss people's disappointments by saying it was never supposed to be like the original show and we should've expected it to be more like a new Lynch movie because clearly the show was at least partly marketed as being at least somewhat going to the direction of the original series (remember the Entertainment Weekly covers) and some people just didn't even find it that great of a Lynch movie either.

I took the ride but in the end the ride just wasn't that interesting. Not bad, but just not that interesting either. Should I choose to take another ride, I would take many other rides available instead of this knowing that the other rides have better overall experience.

Would I still watch season 4 if it ever happened? Of course! I'm still a Twin Peaks and a David Lynch fan, and the ending of season 3 was something I would've liked to be the beginning of the season. So I would certainly be interested in seeing what happens next.
 
I think the animosity between the people who didn't like it and the people who did and all this score keeping and rehashing are just phenomenally sad.

You guys know this season was about the literal futility of conflict, right? That one day you're going to wake up and *snap* everything you loved will be gone. You won't remember how it happened, really, or where it went, but trying to get it back will only make it worse. That appreciating what's there, the commonalities between all living things, the importance of walking through a crowd of people doing nothing and holding out your hand to someone in trouble is all that matters.

But you're fucking sniping at people who you think didn't respect your opinion in the way you wanted and "Ha ha" you were right all along?

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Season 3 is about 500x better the the original show and I loved the original show.

I like it more than the original series all things considered. I just never really cared for the soap opera elements of the original, and that was a huge portion if the show. That said, for me the original had A) more compelling characters on a whole. Someone bought up during season 3 that stuff just sort of happened and the characters didn't have much agency, which I kind of agree with B) the sound design in season 3 was great, but the music in season 1 and 2 was better really (more prevalent). C) the og series had a greater number of memorable characters. This is sort of on spite of not caring about the soap opera stuff lol. Season 3 had some great characters, but there were just more I cared for originally!

Anyway, the return wasn't perfect, but it really is as good as I could possibly have hoped for and, perhaps more difficultly, managed to genuinely surprise.
 

Krev

Unconfirmed Member
Dougie was not the problem there. Well, to some it was but not for me. There were sillier things than that, like Ike the Spike and Hulk-glove punching Bob orb in the face.

I don't think high-school Nadine, the pine weasel and civil war Ben were pointless either.
What was the point of them? I really struggle to get through that stuff.

You can't really dismiss people's disappointments by saying it was never supposed to be like the original show and we should've expected it to be more like a new Lynch movie because clearly the show was at least partly marketed as being at least somewhat going to the direction of the original series (remember the Entertainment Weekly covers) and some people just didn't even find it that great of a Lynch movie either.
I don't mean to dismiss people's disappointment. People are entitled to their opinion that it's bad. The whole reason I started commenting here was because of this post:
lol at all those "Were you honestly expecting more of the same? This is Twin Peaks: The Return not Twin Peaks Season 3" people.
I always thought it was Twin Peaks Season 3, not 'The Return' or whatever, and I expected it to be very weird and new, for the aforementioned reasons. I actually expected something stranger, after Inland Empire. I'm not saying that makes it automatically good. I can understand why people expected it to be close to the original show because of the marketing, but I think that's just a lesson not to trust promotional material, especially for really weird hard to sell projects like this. I can't blame people for hoping though.
 

Boem

Member
I think the animosity between the people who didn't like it and the people who did and all this score keeping and rehashing are just phenomenally sad.

You guys know this season was about the literal futility of conflict, right? That one day you're going to wake up and *snap* everything you loved will be gone. You won't remember how it happened, really, or where it went, but trying to get it back will only make it worse. That appreciating what's there, the commonalities between all living things, the importance of walking through a crowd of people doing nothing and holding out your hand to someone in trouble is all that matters.

But you're fucking sniping at people who you think didn't respect your opinion in the way you wanted and "Ha ha" you were right all along?

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Yup. I'm tired of being told I only say I like it because it's artsy. My enjoyment was genuine, it was there from the first scene, and I enjoyed the entire ride. It was hilarious, beautiful and horrifying to me, and I loved how it kept constantly surprising me.

And it's easy to see why people hate it. It's not much like the original and it's weird as shit. Not everyone's taste.

But the way people talk about it is getting kinda tiring. Why constantly attack other opinions? Why doubt their intentions and honesty? This isn't made to appeal to as wide an audience as possible, it's made to be loved by some and not by others. That's all. A difference in taste.

You can be disappointed, but that doesn't mean I'm faking my own enthusiasm. I don't give two shits about fitting in with the artsy crowd, or being perceived as such.
 
I've put my more complex thoughts about this season into words plenty of times in this topic, now I just have a few simple ones that kind of rattle around when I think about it:

- It was a little too bleak, Twin Peaks seemed like a complete shithole, Vegas seemed like a more welcoming place. Think about it - Ed and Norma are the only one's who's lives aren't mega depressing by the end.
- Would have liked just a little bit more of Cooper, interacting with people he actually knew from his old life. He barely said a word to anybody from then.
- More Bobby. We got a decent amount, but I love him and the way they took his character.
- More of Becky. For a minute I thought 'ohhh, she's gonna be the centerpiece of the Twin Peaks story', when she showed up. But nope!
- More music would have been good, too. I won't do it, just because of the time involved, but I have thought about going over the show with it's own OST and some spare use of the original show's ost and putting in some score to a lot of the long silent scenes.

Coming from someone that absolutely loved the new season I even agree with a few of those. I really wanted more from Bobby and his family and consider it a missed opportunity that we didn't get it. I also really feel like there should have been a scene showing the fallout of Bobby's family over Steven's actions at the end of the season. The fanboy side of me also wanted to see some interaction between him and James. Their relationship was always tense and I would have liked to have seen a follow-up after all of these years, maybe with Ed involved as well.

One of my main complaints has to do with how the side characters were integrated with the main plot and each other. That's something that was expertly handled in the first season. Many of those characters had their own subplots and character arcs while still being connected to the Laura Palmer mystery. It was very tight writing and still manages to impress me on rewatched.

That kind of storytelling still exist in the new season to an extent, but it was definitely more messy in its integration. Some examples being Ben Horne, Jacoby & Nadine, Carl, and Bobby's family. The majority of those characters weren't even seen in the last episodes (I was really surprised we didn't get anything else from Carl). Instead, Lynch and Frost seemed more interesting in providing snapshots into these characters lives and for others using them as tools to advance the bigger story instead of giving them their own. I think that overall they were successful in doing this, but it still could have been tightened up. Two Dr. Amp scenes would have been quite enough.

When it comes to the music, at first I had the same opinion that you do. However, in its place we get Lynch's insane sound design which I prefer overall. There was also enough new music to make me happy and the scenes where it was used had more impact due to the sparseness compared to the use of music in the original series, which could go to the Badalamenti well a bit too often at times.
 
Yup. I'm tired of being told I only say I like it because it's artsy. My enjoyment was genuine, it was there from the first scene, and I enjoyed the entire ride. It was hilarious, beautiful and horrifying to me, and I loved how it kept constantly surprising me.

And it's easy to see why people hate it. It's not much like the original and it's weird as shit. Not everyone's taste.

But the way people talk about it is getting kinda tiring. Why constantly attack other opinions? Why doubt their intentions and honesty? This isn't made to appeal to as wide an audience as possible, it's made to be loved by some and not by others. That's all. A difference in taste.

You can be disappointed, but that doesn't mean I'm faking my own enthusiasm. I don't give two shits about fitting in with the artsy crowd, or being perceived as such.

I think part of the problem is that the people who like it really buy into its message, whatever it is. And the people who don't like it (like me) feel as though it's not really saying anything at all or what it's trying to say just isn't that interesting or unique.
 
I think part of the problem is that the people who like it really buy into its message, whatever it is. And the people who don't like it (like me) feel as though it's not really saying anything at all or what it's trying to say just isn't that interesting or unique.

The problem is not the opinions it's what people are doing with them.
 

gun_haver

Member
I took the ride too, clearing the expectations, but the reality for me just is that even by thinking of this as one of Lynch's oddball movies it wasn't as good as Eraserhead, Fire Walk with Me, Lost Highway and Mulholland Drive. And seeing the season and not finding it as good as those movies I can't help but to think how it might've been better had it been done in more "Twin Peaksy" style.

I agree, and this is what I think some people are missing with the two of our perspectives.

I don't think Season 3 was messy and a bit disappointing because it wasn't like old Twin Peaks. I think it was those things on its own merits. I was totally ready for a whole new thing, if that's what it was going to be, when I watched the first two hours.

There was some bad stuff in the first two episodes - the sleaze, the needless brutality against women, the lack of atmosphere (very little score, boring cinematography) - but there was also promise. The dialogue was sporadically engaging, there was a sense of mystery. It could have gone anywhere, and I kept that attitude all the way through, even though ugly bullshit and boring wastes of time continued to occur.

Now that it's over, I look at it as a whole and I say it was a mess with some good stuff in there. I have a degree in film studies and I have a lot of patience for arthouse films and avant-garde art in general, so this isn't why I didn't love it. That's the kind of stuff I take in all the time.

I didn't love it because, in my opinion, a lot of it didn't serve anything beyond itself, and in absence of that, it should have at least been emotionally engaging. However, this season decided to take the position of being about as dispassionate as it possibly could be for the majority of its runtime, with very occasional flourishes of the overwhelming emotion that characterises David Lynch's best stuff. He is not a cerebral guy, he's an emotion guy, but he decided to make a season with very little emotion present.

I wasn't sitting waiting for Dale to give a thumbs up and say quirky things to waitresses, I was waiting for the meandering, seemingly aimless, fragments of stories I was watching to either interweave and converge upon a theme, or at least resolve themselves in some way that left me either intellectually or emotionally satisfied. Most of the show did neither. The ending is great, on a pure emotional level, but it doesn't make up for how much nothing is strewn throughout the season. Just fragments of people's lives, some of whom we barely knew anything about, presented in a flat manner. Then the show was over. If that's really all you were interested in, okay, but there was the opportunity to do so much more.

People have the instinct to project some meaning onto this, and that is by design. Lynch always leaves room for this, but I think with Twin Peaks he left waaaay too much fucking room. To the point where you can kind of come up with anything, as long as it is vague and a little cosmic, and it might appear to make some kind of sense. I'm not trying to tear down anybody's interpretation of the show, because I don't think there is enough coherence present in the show itself to either form or debunk any particular interpretation.

So, since this takes place in the Twin Peaks story, my mind might occasionally try to meld season 3 with what came before and I wonder 'huh, why didn't they use that, that would've been good', ie the Twin Peaksy style Airola mentioned. This is a reaction to something not being there, it isn't the root of the problem. The root of the problem is the absence of something to replace what came before.
 
The bickering in this thread is nauseating.

I feel bad for the people that didn't enjoy season 3. I feel as if it was an exercise in how to subverge expectations and come out on top. I think it was a encyclopedia example of how to artfully revive a show and continue a story w/ new meaning and tone. It may be one of the best seasons of television I have ever seen.

I also think it may be David Lynch's magnum opus. It feels like a final and reflective perspective on his themes and imagery. The sprawling surrealist American dream. A look for an answer that may not actually exist. The idea of trying to recapture the past, and as a result, you end up lost, alone, and confused. one day we will all die-- and maybe we'll wake up somewhere else, and it would be the scariest but wonderful day of our lives.

Fix your hearts or die.
 

Airola

Member
What was the point of them? I really struggle to get through that stuff.

Schoolgirl-Nadine:
Had things turned out differently, what would've happened? We don't follow her doings as much to see what would happen to her as we follow her to see what effect there would be for Ed and Norma. Would another chance to live her youth let Ed to leave the relationship he's mostly kept up because of compassion and guilt and let him finally openly go with the woman he always wanted. We root for Mike to fall for Nadine to make life easier for Ed and Norma, and as it seems to be that even with physically hurting him he's ready for her, it looks as if things turn out well. But in the end what is done is done. You can't change the past. People should not cling on to past to just fantasize about what might be different had something else happened. People need to make changes in the present moment. Accept what has been and accept what will be whether or not things will change.

This is pretty much what the last two episodes in Season 3 tackled.


Pine Weasel:
Ben trying desperately to prove not to the world but especially to himself that he has changed and he can be good and he cares about things we might think are small things in the world but are part of a bigger picture. But in the end he is still using things around him to make him feel better. And nature doesn't care if you say you care about nature. It bites you on the nose if it wants to :D

Ben's civil war:
A man who has to and who wants to control big things. Now that he has lost control in his own life, he tries to fix his issues in his head. It's part of Ben's journey from being crooked and corrupted into becoming a better person. But at this point he still needs to feel he's in charge of huge things.


Sure there were silly things happening during these plotlines, but that doesn't mean there wasn't any point to them.


I don't mean to dismiss people's disappointment. People are entitled to their opinion that it's bad. The whole reason I started commenting here was because of this post:

Yeah, that's fair.

I always thought it was Twin Peaks Season 3, not 'The Return' or whatever, and I expected it to be very weird and new, for the aforementioned reasons. I actually expected something stranger, after Inland Empire. I'm not saying that makes it automatically good.

But the thing is that it being even more strange and be like "Twin Peaks" (or just more interesting show) aren't mutually exclusive things. I think you could do something new and even stranger and still have some of the old feel there. Weirdness and just being new in itself doesn't yet make anything good, as you said too.

I absolutely 100% agree with people who say one of its good points was that it really surprised a lot. Or at least went into directions no-one could predict. But again, while it's nice to be surprised, as you said it still in itself doesn't necessarily make the full product good.


I can understand why people expected it to be close to the original show because of the marketing, but I think that's just a lesson not to trust promotional material, especially for really weird hard to sell projects like this. I can't blame people for hoping though.

But then again no-one knew this was really a hard to sell project. New Twin Peaks, if anything, felt like something that is very easy to sell.

And why should the lesson be that we shouldn't trust the promotional material instead of the lesson being that the creators and producers should try to control their promotional material enough for them to not be misleading?

It seems as it's just our fault that we fell to the marketing instead of their fault of making the marketing in the first place. Surely this should go both ways, right?
 
I like it more than the original series all things considered. I just never really cared for the soap opera elements of the original, and that was a huge portion if the show. That said, for me the original had A) more compelling characters on a whole. Someone bought up during season 3 that stuff just sort of happened and the characters didn't have much agency, which I kind of agree with B) the sound design in season 3 was great, but the music in season 1 and 2 was better really (more prevalent). C) the og series had a greater number of memorable characters. This is sort of on spite of not caring about the soap opera stuff lol. Season 3 had some great characters, but there were just more I cared for originally!

Anyway, the return wasn't perfect, but it really is as good as I could possibly have hoped for and, perhaps more difficultly, managed to genuinely surprise.

Agreed. For me, I just missed the warmth that the original series had. For example moments such as this one were precious. At the same time Season 1-2 & Season 3 are going after totally different things so you can't even compare them in that sense.
 

robotrock

Banned
Did the show come out too late or why is Kyle not nominated for the 2017 Emmys?

Apparently it was stuff that came out inbetween June 1st 2016 and May 31st 2017. So I think there had only been four episodes out at the time? There's also some rule about "hanging episodes" that I don't understand.

Golden Globes will give Kyle what he deserves.
 
As I've said before, I love Twin Peaks: The Return The Third Season, but I think there are a lot of valid complaints one could launch at the show depending on what you wanted from it in comparison to what came before. As a direct sequel to OG Twin Peaks, it's not a very satisfying season of television tbh. The storytelling is different, the tone is different, the focus is different, and the legacy characters are underused. Cutting the cast in half (at least) and zeroing in on a more linear Cooper led mystery would've made a lot of people way happier, even with the same surreal lore expansions and the radical ending we got. I can recognize what's different here and I think it's only fair that people have some space to vent. Lynch coming back to a beloved series and essentially clearing house of all but a few central themes/figures, then replacing the set dressing with his darker modern sensibilities and a decade+ of pent up ideas is a recipe for a special kind of negative reaction.

At the same time, Twin Peaks: The Return The Third Season is dope. I'd love this other hypothetical "Twin Peaksy" 2017 Twin Peaks too, but the strange 18 hour behemoth of unpredictability, awkwardness, and creative freedom we got is one of the best things I've ever seen on TV. If seasons 1 and 2 were jazz, S3 is a dark ambient double album. Way less palatable for some, but just as satisfying in different ways. I can understand if you don't like how cold it is though.

But y'know what, it's still not as unapproachable as I thought it would be in a post-Inland Empire world.

Plus it took forever for FWWM's reappraisal so give it a minute *shrug*
 
The bickering in this thread is nauseating.

I feel bad for the people that didn't enjoy season 3. I feel as if it was an exercise in how to subverge expectations and come out on top. I think it was a encyclopedia example of how to artfully revive a show and continue a story w/ new meaning and tone. It may be one of the best seasons of television I have ever seen.

I also think it may be David Lynch's magnum opus. It feels like a final and reflective perspective on his themes and imagery. The sprawling surrealist American dream. A look for an answer that may not actually exist. The idea of trying to recapture the past, and as a result, you end up lost, alone, and confused. one day we will all die-- and maybe we'll wake up somewhere else, and it would be the scariest but wonderful day of our lives.

Fix your hearts or die.
"The bickering in this thread is nauseating...btw your opinion is badwrong and I pity your pleb ignorance."

Come on now.
 

Rien

Jelly Belly
Slightly off-topic. In Italy there has been a slightly controversial commercial for an Italian snack on TV. The story of the snack is that a kid says she would like to have a light and tasty breakfast. The parents say that if that would be possible, they should be hit by a meteor (as to say it is impossible).

Here is the original:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lD2OANXqco

And here is a great "what if done by David Lynch" version:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2MLvNuZ3NM


That Mulholland Drive soundtrack. Really need to see it again.
 

liquidtmd

Banned
The bickering in this thread is nauseating.

I feel bad for the people that didn't enjoy season 3...


Fix your hearts or die.

Posts like this have actually been the problem.

There's been solid well reasoned criticism and solid well reasoned praise for the entire run on GAF, if you take out the extremes.

'Fix your hearts or die' - lol
 

Vectorman

Banned
Fix your hearts or die.

Mike-Ehrmantraut-Shakes-His-Head-Breaking-Bad.gif
 

gun_haver

Member
So four years and he has boxes of ideas. That's what I took from the interview. Hah.

so if it were more twin peaks, they'd START filming, at best on lynch's schedule, when Kyle is 62 and Lynch is 75.

I mean...maybe, but nah man. Make another movie, Dave. Let's get something new.
 

gun_haver

Member
jesus give some context guys, i freaked the fuck out

RIP Harry Dean Stanton.

My favourite role of his was in Paris, Texas. Probably like many others, it was a great movie.
 
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