Yeah, but a month or so without active development probably won't be hugely consequential.
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funkygunther
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If he’s serious about the company he wants to cut costs. If he’s not serious he also wants to cut costs. But in this scenario it’s to get rid of as many American workers as quickly as possible before declaring Twitter bankrupt and having to pay out for the employees in countries with stronger worker rights post insolvency/liquidation.
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Maiden Voyage
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Why a Twitter Implosion Could be a Disaster in Disasters
Emergency preparedness experts and professionals wisely warn of peril if the unique attributes of Twitter in tracking and responding to unfolding calamities are lost
revkin.substack.com
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Chaplain
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The media is controlled by the Left. I would be careful to take anything they say at face value. Certain narratives are being pushed that want people to be seen through certain lenses and they will find (or have) individuals that will sell/confirm their narrative (i.e., confirmation bias) to the masses.
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Maiden Voyage
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Most of the details aren't coming from traditional media. They are coming directly from employees and former employees. The funny thing is, it's being shared pretty much exclusively on Twitter.
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How many of them either have a bias or are to grind?
Maiden Voyage
Gold™ Member
Well, if we assume the rumor of 90% of Twitter staff are gone, I would say about 90% are biased. Regardless, that much turnover in a few weeks is unhealthy for any business in the short term.
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Trazyn the Infinite
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Which makes one question how much of what is being said is true. Former Employees tend to have not only a bitter view of the company that just fired them, but also a bloated sense of self-importance thinking what they did actually mattered and was pivotal to making the cogs turn. Meanwhile current employees are in one of three camps:
1.) bitter their friends were canned
2.) happy they were canned
and then bias comes from that.
Reality is, we have no idea what is really going on. People assuming either side are being silly and need to take a step back and view this impartially.
Kacho
Gold Member
That site is slow to load. Wow.Mastodon, if that’s your thing:
Wario has less than 5K followers. Guessing that won’t be the replacement site if Twitter dies.
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Maiden Voyage
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Yes, which is what makes the whole thing so fascinating. So much of the drama is being done in the open, including Musk himself fanning the flames. But enough is held back that people are left wildly speculating. It's an interesting case study from a psychological standpoint.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
With such a huge generalization as that, you might want to be careful about where you think that confirmation bias is coming from.
A non-zero amount. But they are primary sources.
Trazyn the Infinite
Member
Yep, realty is every side wants to fuck you over thinking their side is the one that doesn’t stink. Basic tribalism. Real chads know that all sides are shit. But we should probably stop here before things move to political talk and mods come in to clean house.
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CliffyB's Cock Holster
The situation with Twitter is a very specific set of circumstances. Its a whole circus of issues where remote-working is only an element.
Making generalized statements is stupid; especially when the transition to remote working involves a huge number of variables at play.
The bottom-line is that while for some its going to be desirable and convenient, for others its going to be alienating and demotivating. For business losing the ability to quickly set-up ad-hoc meetings is detrimental and inefficient, and begs the question as to why not outsource everything inessential?
Does it matter that the remote worker is miles away or continents away? And that being the case why not outsource such labour to the developing world where costs are rock-bottom?
Remote working is not some utopian state.
Maiden Voyage
Gold™ Member
I don't think it's fair to say if you lean one way or another then you are most likely to be x. Sure there is overlap, but victimhood online isn't beholden to one party or another. I see it constantly on both sides of the spectrum. Grifting pays a lot of people's salaries online. Outrage drives engagement. It's the name of the game in content creation.
Vestal
Junior Member
True, but that also depends on what state the code was left in along with what Vulnerabilities were left outstanding and/or pop up since then.
Example(Will be a bit vague due to the nature of it)
Our company is currently on a change freeze for the next 2 months. Over the last 2 weeks, a pretty serious Vuln was detected in one of our primary IAM applications.. In order to address the vuln we had to patch the OS the software resides on as well as change code in our IAM app so that it would leverage different technology to complete the necessary work. This in turn, required us to validate about 30apps that are managed by this IAM system and that type of functionality.
So really, it depends on the state of the environment and how well documented it is.
Trazyn the Infinite
Member
How many people would they realistically need for this, though? I don’t see how it would require hundreds of employees.
IntentionalPun
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This dude just thinks being an insulting prick will give him the best software dev team.. and I'm not even sure he understands you also need hardcore DevSecOps from everything we've heard.
Good luck I guess? Actually no, not good luck..
I don't want Twitter to die and don't care about Elon's wealth.. I just hope he puts someone in charge at some point who knows WTF they are doing running a software company. It's not 1999 Elon, you can't run a massive platform with a few people hammering out code 10 hours a day, it just doesn't work.
In the end it may not matter who runs Twitter, with Elon saddling them with $13 billion in debt they didn't have before the buyout.. and advertisers fleeing... good fucking luck. Twitter is probably doomed at this point unless banks take it over and sell it off to recoup their $13 billion.
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Maiden Voyage
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Swift_Star
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You say this, and then you say this:
...
If the media is controlled by the left... Then maybe the media could be lying and saying tech employers are liberal to push an agenda?
So either the media is unbiased and isn't pushing an agenda, just stating facts or most workers aren't liberals and the media is trying to push that as the truth...
Which is it?
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funkygunther
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interesting, interesting...not a definition I've ever heard or would even think of subscribing to but interesting nonetheless
what does "the Right" mean?
BadBurger
Many “Whelps”! Handle It!
A platform this large is going to have components that require daily, weekly, or monthly maintenance of some kind. It's going to have devices or third party cloud services that need maintaining. The various microservices need to be administered in some way. Etc.
When the crumbling begins it's going to be in ways that aren't obvious to all users. It's already happening according to some of the issues users are reporting.
IntentionalPun
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Follow up to the idiotic "send me screenshots of your code" email:
lol how out of touch is this fuck, yeah guys, just grab a flight real quick to SF for this meeting.
Which he's doing because reportedly people hung up on him en masse yesterday when that 2pm PT deadline past and he was trying to be people to stay.
lol how out of touch is this fuck, yeah guys, just grab a flight real quick to SF for this meeting.
Which he's doing because reportedly people hung up on him en masse yesterday when that 2pm PT deadline past and he was trying to be people to stay.
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Chaplain
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You say this, and then you say this:
...
If the media is controlled by the left... Then maybe the media could be lying and saying tech employers are liberal to push an agenda?
So either the media is unbiased and isn't pushing an agenda, just stating facts or most workers aren't liberals and the media is trying to push that as the truth...
Which is it?
Reporting facts that can be verified is not the same thing as reporting hearsay.
omg a boss asking what work you've achieved! the horror!
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The exact same thing he’s saying “the left” is but with less blue hair and stupid piercings
Swift_Star
Banned
So, where is the data showing that people that left twitter are leftists? Please provide us with a verifiable source.
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
By screenshot though?
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
By showing "Screenshots of code", which just broadcasts to the world he has no fucking clue how good/modern software is written?
Throwing "anyone who actually knows how to write software" into the email like a passive aggressive bitch?
Oh and "fly to SF I'll be here until midnight".. on a damn Friday..
lol how out of fucking touch is he and his sycophants like yourself?
There may be layoffs "in tech" but a huge chunk of it are product teams and management.. not actual developers. You'd have to be a real knob slobber to want anything to do with Twitter 2.0.
Zathalus
Member
Apparently not wanting to have a cunt for a boss means you are a special snowflake or something.
Maiden Voyage
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ReBurn
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If a normal person only has like 5 bucks
Bragr
Banned
Elon fans dismiss everything he says? think you quoted the wrong thing there buddy.You do know this is LITERALLY what Elon and his fans do, right?
Maiden Voyage
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StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Sounds like you've never worked in sales. Every company I've worked at, at some point the sales directors and VPs will have behind closed door meetings with account managers and you'll see some people teared up or red face coming out of their office. Or in big sales department only meetings the high level managers yell at the team for missing numbers.
Seen it many times.
The key difference is Musk does it on social media in 2 line tweets which is nothing compared to internal meetings. Regardless, the company keeps going.
People always have the choice to bail ship telling the boss to fuck off on the way out. It solves nothing really. If anything it might hurt you because if that boss has friends at other places, you'll have a harder time finding a job. Maybe for tech people it doesn't mater since tech people are in such high demand who cares, but for most other people burning brudges is not the way to go.
My friends call me sometimes saying if I know this person who works (or worked) at the same company as me. If I know them, I give them the low down. Good worker, bad workers, good person, big time asshole. People talk.
When I got booted from my company way back and had to train my own replacement, I kept it cool and accepted the terms of termination. I could had called my boss and his boss (the VP) a bunch of cocksucking traitors having me train my own replacement. I didnt. I used my boss as a reference for my next job and got it. That job he helped me get was my most important in my career as it springboarded me to where I am now at an even better job and company. Now if I called him an asshole on my last day, does anyone really think he'd help me out?
Musk is a very influential guy. Love him or hate him, he's the type of guy you'd probably rather have in your corner helping you out.
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Bragr
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This is the strangest part is, he's really really REALLY into shitty memes. Non-stop 24/7. And he's a 51-year-old man. It's bizarre to watch, you would think he would be over the meme phase by now.
Maiden Voyage
Gold™ Member
I read somewhere the description that Musk is this generations Howard Hughes.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Weird analogy, but okay.
Maiden Voyage
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dr_octagon
Banned
I used the Twitter to leave the Twitter.
He laughed at memes from the guy who voices Ricky Morty. Loves those memes.
funkygunther
Banned
poor Kathie and Jorden, getting banned and then unbanned but max deboosted just because their names sound like a couple of celebrities
Maiden Voyage
Gold™ Member
I am appalled at his lack of use of the oxford comma. I was indifferent to the whole thing, but this a bridge too far. Musk must be destroyed.
SJRB
Gold Member
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
I love how tech company employees spill the beans of internal memos for the world to see.
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IntentionalPun
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God forbid an incredibly successful industry (tech) became a good place for workers to have a good workplace that was at least slightly trying to make your life still enjoyable.
Which they did because... well the talent started to be able to demand it.. oh no, workers have some power! Workers get good pay! Good benefits! SUCH A SHAME. Meanwhile those workers generated trillions of revenue for what became one of the most powerful industries in the world.. that WILL continue to grow, despite these 2022 layoffs happening.. which.. nobody got rid of good software developers lol
IntentionalPun
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Sounds like you've never worked in an industry that requires an education.
Sales people are 100% disposable.. hence why they are set against each other in hardcore environments and treated like shit.
Which isn't a good thing, an admirable thing.. the way it should be.. you are not special because you accepted an environment like that.
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