funkygunther
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Well just like rules, it is still an explanation that doesn't stop being one just because you personally don't like it
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Well just like rules, it is still an explanation that doesn't stop being one just because you personally don't like it
DeepEnigma
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Failure is still failure. It’s okay to accept that, grow from it, and to do better next time.
funkygunther
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You mean your failure to comprehend something simple like hypocrisy?
DeepEnigma
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You speak as though you’re infallible to this. It’s adorable.
funkygunther
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I am completely infallible as your weird questioning has proven.
DeepEnigma
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funkygunther
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Took its time because you insisted on trying to have a dialogue but predictable nonetheless...
DeepEnigma
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I rewarded you with it. You should feel blessed.
Unknown Soldier
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It's Tuesday, November 22nd and Twitter has been dead for 2 days now. It died during the weekend, right? The whole media was hyping up the imminent death of Twitter. So why are you all still talking about a dead site?
GeorgioCostanzaX
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Just going to throw this out there. As of this writing convicted con Dinesh D’Souza has 102k likes and growing, Musk is at 97k and George Takei is at 1000. Seems prophetic for how things are going?
Unknown Soldier
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DeepEnigma
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Just going to throw this out there. As of this writing convicted con Dinesh D’Souza has 102k likes and growing, Musk is at 97k and George Takei is at 1000. Seems prophetic for how things are going?
And?
One was on there for a day, the other 6 hours and then 4 hours.
Musk has access to that data, we all saw that in real time with lack of “fact checking” on one groups tweets that just started (finally) after Musk took over.
Takei is trying to gaslight. Let them fight.
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Unknown Soldier
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In case you don't know who George Takei is, he is a frequent and notorious poster on Defiant L's.
DeepEnigma
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Unknown Soldier
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I literally just posted about this yesterday and Elon confirms it today. They threatened to kill his Twitter, he caved to their demands, and then they went and tried to kill it anyways.
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funkygunther
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TaylorSwiftFan
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They believe other things rightly or wrongly? Better get the thought police on the case.
DeepEnigma
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This, I agree.
BadBurger
Many “Whelps”! Handle It!
Gleaned from some conversations on Team Blind: just one story from a $750k/month advertiser that paused ads on Twitter - one of many:
www.teamblind.com
The reasons (gleaned from the post but there is plenty more discussion in that thread):
SUMMARY:
They noticed that performance (how effective their advertising is) dropped significantly. They noticed their ads alongside vile, hateful content - even for days after being flagged. They attempted to get in touch with their contacts, but Musk has gutted so many people across all departments that the company can no longer adequately serve their advertiser customers. Then when they attempted to logon to their accounts (with now very buggy UI) the authentication mechanisms were not working. When they finally got in, they discovered that some of their campaigns that were paused from the previous 6 years had been reactivated without their consent, costing them money. And they couldn't even deactivate them themselves, as their changes would not save.
An alternate business model for Twitter is obviously needed. But at $8 per paid verification, it would take 93,750 paying accounts just to make up for one such spending advertiser. 43,750 paying accounts to cover the many advertisers who were paying in the $350k/month range and have left. The professional grapevine indicates that about 30 advertisers, including almost all of the big spenders, have left.
I'd like to know who actually runs SpaceX and Tesla, because it cannot be Musk. He keeps proving over and over that he does not have the kind of business acumen many assumed.
Don't forget the $13bn in debt he saddled the company with (they only had about $600m prior to the takeover talks). Their annual interest burden went from $51m/year to over $1bn per year, as they will have to pay at least $9bn in interest over the next seven to eight years as that $13bn in debt matures. I don't think any of the apologists on Twitter know anything about what is actually going on, and cannot appreciate just how poorly Musk is doing. They think "oh he's like me when I post on 4chan now hehe troll em Lord Elon!". Meanwhile shit is quite literally crashing and burning.
I told my team to pause our $750K/month Twitter ads budget last week
I’ve seen a lot of technical and ideological takes on Elon Twitter but wanted to share the marketing perspective. For background I’m a director at a medium sized b2b tech company (not in finserv anymore) running a team that deploys about $80M in ad s...
www.teamblind.com
The reasons (gleaned from the post but there is plenty more discussion in that thread):
SUMMARY:
They noticed that performance (how effective their advertising is) dropped significantly. They noticed their ads alongside vile, hateful content - even for days after being flagged. They attempted to get in touch with their contacts, but Musk has gutted so many people across all departments that the company can no longer adequately serve their advertiser customers. Then when they attempted to logon to their accounts (with now very buggy UI) the authentication mechanisms were not working. When they finally got in, they discovered that some of their campaigns that were paused from the previous 6 years had been reactivated without their consent, costing them money. And they couldn't even deactivate them themselves, as their changes would not save.
An alternate business model for Twitter is obviously needed. But at $8 per paid verification, it would take 93,750 paying accounts just to make up for one such spending advertiser. 43,750 paying accounts to cover the many advertisers who were paying in the $350k/month range and have left. The professional grapevine indicates that about 30 advertisers, including almost all of the big spenders, have left.
I'd like to know who actually runs SpaceX and Tesla, because it cannot be Musk. He keeps proving over and over that he does not have the kind of business acumen many assumed.
Don't forget the $13bn in debt he saddled the company with (they only had about $600m prior to the takeover talks). Their annual interest burden went from $51m/year to over $1bn per year, as they will have to pay at least $9bn in interest over the next seven to eight years as that $13bn in debt matures. I don't think any of the apologists on Twitter know anything about what is actually going on, and cannot appreciate just how poorly Musk is doing. They think "oh he's like me when I post on 4chan now hehe troll em Lord Elon!". Meanwhile shit is quite literally crashing and burning.
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Maiden Voyage
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TaylorSwiftFan
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Could be true, could be false.
DeepEnigma
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Toons
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We have the education already. We already know the falsehoods are falsehoods. Keeping the innocent from being susceptible to them is as much a responsibility as teaching the truth. True, at some point everyone has to make his own choices with what they'll encounter. But we don't bring flat earthers into elementary schools so kids can get a "different perspective". That flat earther can wait outside the school and teach them that nonsense outside of it.
Its much the same on a site like Twitter. While they are responsible for whats on there, and they are, they need to take that responsibility. Or they can go all anything goes and then act surprise when no one actually wants to see a constant stream of anything goes.
And besides... being banned on Twitter isn't censorship, as in, free speech isn't being violated. The banned person can go literslly anywhere else and post their bile.
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Guilty_AI
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Toons
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Nah their explanation was fine lol.
Theres either a double standard or their isn't. Site rules are site rules. You cannot claim superiority of adherence to one, then call another set of them "fascism" or "censorship".
You guys are trying to make the argument that posts Twitter should be considered protected speech as if said in the public sector, but it shouldn't be, and never will be, not just for financial and economical reasons but also because it would quickly devolve into unbridled madness and chaos.
Claiming "bias" in rule enforcement is just as arbitrary as you guys claim hate speech is. But it doesn't matter, anyway. Its going to always have rules. Elon may make them slightly less strict, but their going to be there. The site will not have absolute free speech and if it ever does it won't last long.
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Toons
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Seeing all the people vehemently defending censorship - oh excuse me - "content moderation" and "fake news regulation", reminds me George Lucas knew.
George Lucas also made a movie where an oppressed class banded together in organized protest, destroyed property, took captives and killed high ranking members in order to take down what they deemed to be a systemically oppressive fascist regime while that regime called them "terrorists" and used falsehood in media, increased militarized enforcement, corruption and subterfuge to try and turn the public against them.
so maybe you dont wanna claim him?
Guilty_AI
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A pretty standard political narrative for a story. So?
DeepEnigma
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No. I think their “hateful content” excuse is flimsy and they’re possibly one of the ones Musk mentioned.
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Toons
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So is a villain taking power from the hands of democracy that initially supported him. It's so standard, in fact, that it happened in real life.
Toons
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No. I think their “hateful content” excuse is flimsy and they’re possibly one of the ones Musk mentioned.
You're assuming they're as petty as Musk is then? Thats a high bar to achieve given his behavior
Guilty_AI
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And who is that villain you're refering to i might ask
Punished Miku
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I love these videos. He's got a new one.
bender
What time is it?
Punished Miku
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Will do.
StreetsofBeige
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And Twitter employees and their supporters actually think they are neutral when it comes to politics.
anab0lic36
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Proper education should actually be developing the cognitive skills of the young person, to where they can discern truth from bullshit. That way when they they go out into the real world an encounter opposing theory's and beliefs, they can, by themselves, come to more accurate conclusions... This is something that most people absolutely suck at and its why the general population are so easily manipulated by misinformation. Our education systems are a Monumental failure (some will argue through design - as a stupid population is easily controlled) because they mostly just fill your head with knowledge/facts, much of which you will never use, they don't actually teach people HOW to think critically. So I would be all for theory's like flat earth being brought up in schools, in fact have a whole lesson dedicated to it and have the students be presented all the facts and hone their abilities to come to logical well reasoned conclusions.
Dr.D00p
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Funny thing is, if as an employee, you decided you didn't want to wear one of those along with the rest of the hive mind collective, They'd turn on you like a pack of vicious animals and relentlessly bully you every day until you left the company.
Tolerance is a one way street for these types.
strange headache
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They literally had official Taliban accounts posting there even before Musk took over. Now suddenly they care about muh hatespeech... what a farce.
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LegendOfKage
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Glad to see Musk agreeing with this tweet. If something like this goes through, it could mean much more transparency.
I'm curious about how that has worked in your family.
Conspiracy theorists are interesting because you ban them... "A ha! What I believe must be true they are trying to silence me!" - Reinforce belief in theories
You don't ban them and they get scrutinized... "All of these people are wrong they just don't have the information or are sheep." - self-reinforced belief in theories?
How many conspiracy theorists can truly be saved once they already go down that path?
murmulis
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But if you ban them then they will go to a place where nobody questions their stuff. That's what happens to all twitter and reddit alternatives. Only nutcases go there and radicalise each other even further.
Reddit's most popular subs are mostly garbage and it's forbidden to talk about certain things there. But niche/non-political/hobby subs are still OK.
Those don't exist on reddit/twitter alternatives at all. People go there only to post about shit that got them banned from twitter and reddit.
Which is usually all sorts of political garbage.
Tams
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Gleaned from some conversations on Team Blind: just one story from a $750k/month advertiser that paused ads on Twitter - one of many:
I told my team to pause our $750K/month Twitter ads budget last week
I’ve seen a lot of technical and ideological takes on Elon Twitter but wanted to share the marketing perspective. For background I’m a director at a medium sized b2b tech company (not in finserv anymore) running a team that deploys about $80M in ad s...
The reasons (gleaned from the post but there is plenty more discussion in that thread):
SUMMARY:
They noticed that performance (how effective their advertising is) dropped significantly. They noticed their ads alongside vile, hateful content - even for days after being flagged. They attempted to get in touch with their contacts, but Musk has gutted so many people across all departments that the company can no longer adequately serve their advertiser customers. Then when they attempted to logon to their accounts (with now very buggy UI) the authentication mechanisms were not working. When they finally got in, they discovered that some of their campaigns that were paused from the previous 6 years had been reactivated without their consent, costing them money. And they couldn't even deactivate them themselves, as their changes would not save.
An alternate business model for Twitter is obviously needed. But at $8 per paid verification, it would take 93,750 paying accounts just to make up for one such spending advertiser. 43,750 paying accounts to cover the many advertisers who were paying in the $350k/month range and have left. The professional grapevine indicates that about 30 advertisers, including almost all of the big spenders, have left.
I'd like to know who actually runs SpaceX and Tesla, because it cannot be Musk. He keeps proving over and over that he does not have the kind of business acumen many assumed.
Don't forget the $13bn in debt he saddled the company with (they only had about $600m prior to the takeover talks). Their annual interest burden went from $51m/year to over $1bn per year, as they will have to pay at least $9bn in interest over the next seven to eight years as that $13bn in debt matures. I don't think any of the apologists on Twitter know anything about what is actually going on, and cannot appreciate just how poorly Musk is doing. They think "oh he's like me when I post on 4chan now hehe troll em Lord Elon!". Meanwhile shit is quite literally crashing and burning.
What this says the most in my mind is that Twitter has always been a shitshow.
They now have less revenue and more debt and debt payments.
But they were also raking in advertising money on that scale and still often posting losses. Which would make sense if Twitter actually offered new products or changed their products often, as that costs money. Instead in years all that's really happened is verified accounts and multihmedia posts (and that only recently).
And some in here are saying that 'you just don't understand how many peoppe companies need and they aren't employing lazy bums!'
Bollocks, Twitter overexpanded with very few products to sell, and hired a lot of people who weren't needed and were work-shy*.
*and no, I'm not saying they should have had to crunch, or that the extremes Musk appears to be taking work there is right.
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FunkMiller
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See, this is why this conversation is impossibly with some of you.
I talk about lunatics who believe that the holocaust didn’t happen, and you reply with an answer that strongly indicates you’re fine with them thinking that.
If you’re seriously talking about the ‘thought police’ in defence of those kinds of holocaust denial opinions then you’re far, far too lost to be able to engage in any reasonable discourse.
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strange headache
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Nobody here is 'fine' with them thinking that. Stop stawmanning.
If a lunatic can convince others that the Holocaust didn't happen, the problem doesn't lie with the lunatic but goes much deeper.
FunkMiller
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He literally replied to a post from me talking about holocaust deniers in a manner that clearly indicated he felt it was wrong to stop them from thinking that way.
Stop the automatic defence mechanism stuff any time anyone has a counter point to yours. I agree with quite a lot of what you’re saying, but you look foolish when defending that kind of extremist view.
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