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[Zathalus]

Anyone thinking advertisers won't throw their weight around have forgotten about the Adpocalypse that hit YouTube. If Elon is interested in making money (which I assume he is) making sure his platform is advertiser friendly would certainly be up there.

Who knows though, maybe another monetization method will pick up the slack, allowing for greater content freedom.

 

[Nobody_Important]

Musk calls it a public forum (square), so...

I'm sure that will go over real well with the EU regulators lol

 

[DeepEnigma]

I'm sure that will go over real well with the EU regulators lol

Maybe they can have a special version, much like China and the Middle East. Starting to see a pattern here.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Anyone thinking advertisers won't throw their weight around have forgotten about the Adpocalypse that hit YouTube. If Elon is interested in making money (which I assume he is) making sure his platform is advertiser friendly would certainly be up there.

Who knows though, maybe another monetization method will pick up the slack, allowing for greater content freedom.

About that...

YouTube Adpocalypse

YouTube Adpocalypse (a portmanteau of the words "ad" and "apocalypse") is a site-wide term coined in early 2017 to describe a mass advertiser boycott and withdrawal on YouTube. Such an event can come as a result of notable community guidelines violations from YouTube personalities, which receive...

youtube.fandom.com

A lot more complex than what appears on surface level. A lot more indeed.

Also, Spotify stood their ground in the most recent example, advertisers caved and came back tail tucked.

 

[Nobody_Important]

Maybe they can have a special version, much like China and the Middle East. Starting to see a pattern here.

Uh oh. That's not very "free speech absolutist" of him though!

 

[DeepEnigma]

Uh oh. That's not very "free speech absolutist" of him though!

Da, comrade!

 

[Nobody_Important]

Da, comrade!

Just pointing out the hypocrisy of the "free speech" crusader.

His support for absolute "Free Speech" will go only so far as the money allows. He will throw open the doors as wide as he can where he can and then censor the hell out of the places where he can't to make sure the money keeps coming. If he truly believed in what he was saying and that "free speech" must be maintained he would pull the platform from the places that don't allow it rather than caving into the censorship he claims to fight against.


But he won't because that would take away the advertising money he gets from those markets. He isn't a "free speech absolutist". He is just as fake as anyone else. The only difference between him and every other charlatan is the billions of dollars, the cult of personality, and the sheer number of suckers that have bought into it.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Just pointing out the hypocrisy of the "free speech" crusader.

How? It hasn't happened yet. Your hypothetical draconian cheerleading is every bit amusing though.

 

[Nobody_Important]

How? It hasn't happened yet. Your hypothetical draconian cheerleading is every bit amusing though.

He has already shown his hypocrisy with the flat no for unbanning Alex Jones. He has also publicly stated that he would be following the law.

So unless he goes back on what he has already said it's not hypothetical at all.

 

[DeepEnigma]

He has already shown his hypocrisy with the flat no for unbanning Alex Jones. He has also publicly stated that he would be following the law.

So unless he goes back on what he has already said it's not hypothetical at all.

And following the law is not hypocritical.

You've been trying so hard to get some sort of own, when you parroted a "pump and dump" in the very beginning along with the rest of the ideologues, how did that work out? Just keep moving the endless goalposts.

 

[strange headache]

FFS not this sh*t again. Have you guys learnt nothing from the likes of Constant, Tocqueville, Lincoln, Voltaire? Free speech is what enabled your great democratic society you dolts! You clamor for minorities, women, the disenfranchised to be heard, to have a voice, yet you are yourselves unwilling to extend it to those who you deem uncouth. Oh the sheer hypocrisy!

Think about it, has T**** disappeared after being banned from Twitter? Has Alex J****? No, they turned into martyrs, solidifying their followers even further. If you declare ideas as "too dangerous" you make them attractive to people who are ill equipped to deal with them.

You don't eradicate a virus, you inoculate the population. Education is the vaccine to lies and bad ideas, not censorship and f*cking propaganda! You don't censor ideas, you inform.

Why are you so f*cking afraid? Truth may spread slower than lies, but in the end it always wins.

 

[DeepEnigma]

You clamor for minorities, women, the disenfranchised to be heard, to have a voice, yet you are yourselves unwilling to extend it to those who you deem uncouth. Oh the sheer hypocrisy!

Only those who share the same conformity of thought. We see how those who are diverse in appearance are treated outside of that.

 

[Azurro]

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Otherwise the lunatics take over the asylum, and that’s not good for business.

I don't know if you got the memo, you are quite a few years behind, but the lunatics were running that business. Sane people are taking it over.

 

[strange headache]

Yeah about them lunatics...

 

[PSYGN]

There's irony in the woke migrating to Hive...

 

[funkygunther]

FFS not this sh*t again. Have you guys learnt nothing from the likes of Constant, Tocqueville, Lincoln, Voltaire? Free speech is what enabled your great democratic society you dolts! You clamor for minorities, women, the disenfranchised to be heard, to have a voice, yet you are yourselves unwilling to extend it to those who you deem uncouth. Oh the sheer hypocrisy!

Think about it, has T**** disappeared after being banned from Twitter? Has Alex J****? No, they turned into martyrs, solidifying their followers even further. If you declare ideas as "too dangerous" you make them attractive to people who are ill equipped to deal with them.

You don't eradicate a virus, you inoculate the population. Education is the vaccine to lies and bad ideas, not censorship and f*cking propaganda! You don't censor ideas, you inform.

Why are you so f*cking afraid? Truth may spread slower than lies, but in the end it always wins.

you censor yourself, we’ve already won

 

[Tams]

Maybe they can have a special version, much like China and the Middle East. Starting to see a pattern here.

You are talking about stuff you clearly have no idea about. Unfortunately/fortunately, we can no longer go into why and how on here.

 

[strange headache]

He has already shown his hypocrisy with the flat no for unbanning Alex Jones. He has also publicly stated that he would be following the law.

So unless he goes back on what he has already said it's not hypothetical at all.

you censor yourself, we’ve already won

You are talking about stuff you clearly have no idea about. Unfortunately/fortunately, we can no longer go into why and how on here.

DeepEnigma has more clue in his little toe than you will ever have in your whole life.

 

[Toons]

So far... but also, that is probably better for AJ than it is for Twitter at the moment.

Oh on that we agree lol

 

[DeepEnigma]

You are talking about stuff you clearly have no idea about. Unfortunately/fortunately, we can no longer go into why and how on here.

You clearly missed the sarcasm. I know plenty about draconian and authoritarian cunts. We have endless history to extrapolate from.

 

[Toons]

FFS not this sh*t again. Have you guys learnt nothing from the likes of Constant, Tocqueville, Lincoln, Voltaire? Free speech is what enabled your great democratic society you dolts! You clamor for minorities, women, the disenfranchised to be heard, to have a voice, yet you are yourselves unwilling to extend it to those who you deem uncouth. Oh the sheer hypocrisy!

Think about it, has T**** disappeared after being banned from Twitter? Has Alex J****? No, they turned into martyrs, solidifying their followers even further. If you declare ideas as "too dangerous" you make them attractive to people who are ill equipped to deal with them.

You don't eradicate a virus, you inoculate the population. Education is the vaccine to lies and bad ideas, not censorship and f*cking propaganda! You don't censor ideas, you inform.

Why are you so f*cking afraid? Truth may spread slower than lies, but in the end it always wins.

The funny thing about vaccines is they're only needed when there's already a disease.

You can in some instances, prevent the disease from becoming a widespread thing , then you dont NEED the vaccine to fight the disease.

And when you can, you should. Most would think so at least. Why would you wait for the disease to become a thing, then put the onus on the world to vaccinate themselves from it?

Nip it in the bud and save everyone the time.

 

[strange headache]

The funny thing about vaccines is they're only needed when there's already a disease.

Viruses cause diseases, not the other way around. Also, you clearly don't understand how metaphors work. Even if you want to preempt bad ideas, education is the only way, not censorship.

 

[DeepEnigma]

you censor yourself, we’ve already won

 

[strange headache]

I'm sure he thought that was some big brain 4d-chess gotcha moment right there.

 

[funkygunther]

I'm sure he thought that was some big brain 4d-chess gotcha moment right there.

No just having fun with your hypocrisy

 

[strange headache]

No just having fun with your hypocrisy

Respecting the forum rules is hypocritical?

Another example as to why free speech is important:

 

[funkygunther]

Respecting the forum rules is hypocritical?

Oh man, in this context this response is absolutely golden

 

[DeepEnigma]

No just having fun with your hypocrisy

Is hypocrisy the new trending word of the day for y’all? Oh that’s rich. Ironic levels.

 

[funkygunther]

Is hypocrisy the new trending word of the day for y’all? Oh that’s rich. Ironic levels.

No idea what you're referring to. Looking forward to the gif response.

 

[FunkMiller]

I don't know if you got the memo, you are quite a few years behind, but the lunatics were running that business. Sane people are taking it over.

Clearly not as far as companies with advertising dollars to spend were concerned.

You’ll get no argument from me that Twitter is, and has been, a poorly run cess pit for years.

Doesn‘t negate the fact that if Musk allows all the lovely conspiracy and bullshit filled free speech that everyone is talking about, those same advertisers will fuck off double quick.

He’ll be censoring them. Because he’s not an idiot, and enjoys making money.

 

[strange headache]

Oh man, in this context this response is absolutely golden

How dense can one be? The rules are the rules, whether you personally agree or not.
I also "censor" my own swear words, not because it is a forum rule but because that's my choice. I know, absolutely shocking that there are things that I don't like to express myself, while according others the liberty to do so.

This has NOTHING to do with my stance on free speech or the issue at hand so stop derailing. My argument still came across perfectly fine, the particular examples weren't important in this case, but the principle behind it.

 

[funkygunther]

How dense can one be? The rules are the rules, whether you personally agree or not.
I also "censor" my own swear words, not because it is a forum rule but because that's my choice. I know, absolutely shocking!

This has NOTHING to do with my stance on free speech or the issue at hand so stop derailing. My argument still came across perfectly fine, the particular examples weren't important in this case, but the principle behind it.

If you're willing to respect this forum's rules then you should be just as willing to respect Twitter's rules. There's no difference, the rules are the rules after all and it's nothing to do with free speech.

 

[DeepEnigma]

It still went over your head.

 

[funkygunther]

But the rules are the rules

 

[DeepEnigma]

But the rules are the rules

Keep thinking in binary extremes. It’s a wonder you miss the forest through the trees of his explanation.

 

[funkygunther]

Keep thinking in binary extremes. It’s a wonder you miss the forest through the trees of his explanation.

The rules are the rules is a very definitive position indeed

 

[DeepEnigma]

The rules are the rules is a very definitive position indeed

Explain how he’s a hypocrite. Explain in detail.

 

[funkygunther]

Explain how he’s a hypocrite. Explain in detail.

I just did ^ up there. The rules are the rules, except in Twitter's case where it's censorship.

 

[DeepEnigma]

I just did ^ up there. The rules are the rules, except in Twitter's case where it's censorship.

That’s not an explanation. You are coming in here and name calling with “hypocrite,” so explain how he is a hypocrite with his recent explanation.

 

[funkygunther]

That’s not an explanation. You are coming in here and name calling with “hypocrite,” so explain how he is a hypocrite with his recent explanation.

The first hypocrisy part was talking about censoring and self-censoring. But then there was the even more glorious own goal of admitting that this forum had rules that we should respect whether we liked them or not while simultaneously talking about Twitter having rules that we shouldn't respect because that is censorship and propaganda.

 

[DeepEnigma]

The first hypocrisy part was talking about censoring and self-censoring. But then there was the even more glorious own goal of admitting that this forum had rules that we should respect whether we liked them or not while simultaneously talking about Twitter having rules that we shouldn't respect because that is censorship and propaganda.

That’s not hypocrisy against his core beliefs. Wanna try again?

 

[Azurro]

Clearly not as far as companies with advertising dollars to spend were concerned.

You’ll get no argument from me that Twitter is, and has been, a poorly run cess pit for years.

Doesn‘t negate the fact that if Musk allows all the lovely conspiracy and bullshit filled free speech that everyone is talking about, those same advertisers will fuck off double quick.

He’ll be censoring them. Because he’s not an idiot, and enjoys making money.

The problem is that some people are thinking the place will be a free for all, you can say absolutely everything you want kind of place. You have people like our good friend Nobody_Important who are hoping for that scenario, so Twitter goes down and he can laugh at someone daring to go against the fascist left.

Elon mentioned before something similar to that if far left and far right people are both unhappy, then it is in a good place in terms of moderation. Which is absolutely achievable, look at YouTube, plenty of channels exist where good conversation can exist with controversial topics, such as the Trans agenda and such, and the channels grow and people can watch, no problem.

The reason the media is throwing a huge tantrum and trying to will Twitter's demise into existence, it's because they are generally a part of the far left and had control of the narrative and public messaging. Just look at how many conservative leaning people just got unbanned, it was a place where saying women cannot ever be men could get you banned.

Going into silly details to try to dunk on Elon Musk for some technicality is a waste of time. I'd rather just watch our nonimportant friend cry, that's far more entertaining.

 

[funkygunther]

That’s not hypocrisy against his core beliefs. Wanna try again?

His core beliefs have nothing to do with Twitter? Then why mention them? If you agree Twitter isn't and will never be a free speech platform then what even are you discussing? Answer those and we can continue.

 

[DeepEnigma]

He mentioned before something similar to that if far left and far right people are both unhappy, then it is in a good place in terms of moderation.

That’s the rub in which some still losing their shit, need to step back and reevaluate their conditioning.

 

[DeepEnigma]

His core beliefs have nothing to do with Twitter? Then why mention them? If you agree Twitter isn't and will never be a free speech platform then what even are you discussing? Answer those and we can continue.

Don’t answer a question with more questions. Explain how he is a hypocrite. You came in here calling him that, but you’re failing to explain why. So, explain.

 

[funkygunther]

Don’t answer a question with more questions. Explain how he is a hypocrite. You came in here calling him that, but you’re failing to explain why. So, explain.

I already have done. Then he tripped completely and I moved the conversation along based on that pratfall to expose a larger contradiction. If you don't want to move the conversation or clarify, then you can still take the original explanation of why I called him a hypocrite.

 

[TTOOLL]

Guys, Twitter didn’t ban a lot of people because it has rules, were it the case people would be banned no matter their political views.

Offend black people…ban
Offend white people…that’s ok
Offend LGTBAUSH…nuked from orbit
Offend people’s religion…nothing to see here.
Hunter Biden’s magic laptop…NOPE!

Rules were enforced with a lot of bias and that’s why people complained it was censorship. GAF was exactly the same before the lunatics left.

Also, fucking Babylon Bee was banned…

 

[DeepEnigma]

I already have done. Then he tripped completely and I moved the conversation along based on that pratfall to expose a larger contradiction. If you don't want to move the conversation or clarify, then you can still take the original explanation of why I called him a hypocrite.

I don’t need to clarify anything. You failed to show how he is a hypocrite.

Like most ideologues, your assertions never hold up to scrutiny when pressured to explain them.

You’re wasting everyone’s time now, go give your little brother your pudding.

 

[funkygunther]

I don’t need to clarify anything. You failed to show how he is a hypocrite.

Like most ideologues, your assertions never hold up to scrutiny when pressured to explain them.

You’re wasting everyone’s time now, go give your little brother your pudding.

I called him a hypocrite at the start and explained why I did. No idea what is confusing you there other than wilful ignorance on your part.

 

[DeepEnigma]

I called him a hypocrite at the start and explained why I did. No idea what is confusing you there other than wilful ignorance on your part.

Your explanation is as weak is your ideals. And very pot meet kettle to boot. Go stare in the mirror with all of that projection.