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[Toons]

Let the impotent seething continue.

I mean thats what Musk was doing for an entire day off of a "misunderstanding"... so my point stands

 

[Maiden Voyage]

 

[Toons]

Lol so many experts in this thread pretending to know Musk's mind. 6 years of leftists mind reading Trump didn't teach you anything?

Doesn't take a mind reader to know when someone is lying, and/or not being full truthful, or just doesn't know what they're doing.

Musk either when on a day long rant off of faulty information that he didn't properly vet and had the resources to do so, or what he was saying the first time was true and tim cook just managed to talk him out of lambasting apple publicly and starting a fiasco.

Both cannot be true, but what we know isn't true is that it wasn't a simple misunderstanding in which two people are talking past each other. He made very specific accusations about Apple, he was convinced they were considering a pullout. And we know musk doesnt like pulling out.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

I always find it amazing that in tech world so many people leak company info to the world. Goes to show the kind of people who work there.

I have never once ever seen in my industry tweets or leaks about any company (mine or competitors) where some rogue employees leaked to the universe price increases, new products coming out or discontinuations, new marketing deals etc.... And all this kind of stuff is worked on way in advance so there's plenty of time for employees to spill the beans. And just about everyone in the office knows about this stuff even if your role doesn't actually work on it. You still hear about it or sit in on company meetings or town hall presentations where important details and deals are announced internally.

Technically, anyone could take that info and spill the beans to Wall Street. But you never see it.

In tech, you get everything from lawsuits, bad bosses, strategy changes etc.... all leaked to the net. Weird people working there.

 

[BadBurger]

The problems surrounding advertising was largely due to a sudden lack of brand safety, and an inability by advertisers to actually engage with Twitter, since almost all of the relevant teams were gutted or are now completely gone. So I don't see how this will attract many advertisers back. 100% more of what they don't want isn't exactly enticing.

But maybe they're also doing what's clearly needed and restaffing at the same time. Given all that's happened thus far, however, I am inclined to doubt that.

 

[GnomeChimpsky]

Doesn't take a mind reader to know when someone is lying, and/or not being full truthful, or just doesn't know what they're doing.

Musk either when on a day long rant off of faulty information that he didn't properly vet and had the resources to do so, or what he was saying the first time was true and tim cook just managed to talk him out of lambasting apple publicly and starting a fiasco.

Both cannot be true, but what we know isn't true is that it wasn't a simple misunderstanding in which two people are talking past each other. He made very specific accusations about Apple, he was convinced they were considering a pullout. And we know musk doesnt like pulling out.

If this is you when Musk buys Twitter I don't dare think what fantasies you'll dream up when SpaceX lands on Mars.

You're projecting movies in your head and then try to convince people you know it's what happened.
You know nothing about what Musk knew and didn't know, what he thought or didn't think or what those two talked about.

 

[Nobody_Important]

 

[DeepEnigma]

The problems surrounding advertising was largely due to a sudden lack of brand safety

Doesn't stop these advertisers from advertising and selling products in countries where it's literally illegal and some cases, punishable by death for things they virtue signal to the west over.

Or is "brand safety" constantly shining a spotlight on their hollow virtue and skeletons in their own closets?

 

[BadBurger]

You're projecting movies in your head and then try to convince people you know it's what happened.
You know nothing about what Musk knew and didn't know, what he thought or didn't think or what those two talked about.

The same can be said for you. The difference is Toons is making guesses given observations of Musk's own actions and words, while you're only making emotional appeals.

Doesn't stop these advertisers from advertising and selling products in countries where it's literally illegal and some cases, punishable by death for things they virtue signal to the west over.

Or is "brand safety" constantly shining a spotlight on their hollow virtue and skeletons in their own closets?

Yes, welcome to the amoral world of business and advertising.

Brand safety is brand safety. These companies don't want people seeing their advertisements being published alongside hate and other offensive material. And I don't understand your emotional response towards these advertisers, you seem to be blaming them or accusing them of something vague. They're merely advertisers reacting, doing their job on behalf of their clients.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Yes, welcome to the amoral world of business and advertising.

Brand safety is brand safety. These companies don't want people seeing their advertisements being published alongside hate and other offensive material. And I don't understand your emotional response towards these advertisers, you seem to be blaming them or accusing them of something vague. They're merely advertisers reacting, doing their job on behalf of their clients.

There is nothing emotional about my response, potato. If people want to call out hypocrisy all day long in here that suits their interests, I will call these companies bullshit out as well. This comes down to a culture war, no matter how they try and spin it.

 

[GnomeChimpsky]

The same can be said for you. The difference is Toons is making guesses given observations of Musk's own actions and words, while you're only making emotional appeals.

 

[Nobody_Important]

There is nothing emotional about my response, potato. If people want to call out hypocrisy all day long in here that suits their interests, I will call these companies bullshit out as well. This comes down to a culture war, no matter how they try and spin it.

Not wanting your ads next to hate speech or other offensive content is not a "culture war"


It's literally what any businesses would do given the context. It's just like when companies pull their sponsorships from Athletes if they get arrested or do something else to damage their image. It's no longer good for the company to be associated with them so the company pulls it's support entirely or until the situation works itself out.


It happens all the time. Twitter is not special.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Not wanting your ads next to hate speech or other offensive content is not a "culture war"

You're a bright one.

Doesn't stop these advertisers from advertising and selling products in countries where it's literally illegal and some cases, punishable by death for things they virtue signal to the west over.

Or is "brand safety" constantly shining a spotlight on their hollow virtue and skeletons in their own closets?

Yet, so disingenuous.

 

[BadBurger]

There is nothing emotional about my response, potato. If people want to call out hypocrisy all day long in here that suits their interests, I will call these companies bullshit out as well. This comes down to a culture war, no matter how they try and spin it.

Well, sorry if I offended, I guess I did come off a little heavy there. But when I see someone making claims by "gut feeling", for lack of better words, I'll assume certain things.

 

[Kraz]

*Looks back over the past few pages*

The lady doth protest too much, me thinks.

The excessive protesting about the valid criticisms, questions and dunking Musk gets for his own actions may be connect to those having their own wagons hitched to Musk and take any criticism of Musk as personal.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Well, sorry if I offended, I guess I did come off a little heavy there. But when I see someone making claims by "gut feeling", for lack of better words, I'll assume certain things.

There is no "gut feeling." They advertise and sell in countries that have laws that supposedly go against their very virtue they browbeat in the west. It's literal clown material.

 

[Faust]

Stick to the topic and stop with the petty insults.

 

[Kraz]

Yes, welcome to the amoral world of business and advertising.

Brand safety is brand safety. These companies don't want people seeing their advertisements being published alongside hate and other offensive material. And I don't understand your emotional response towards these advertisers, you seem to be blaming them or accusing them of something vague. They're merely advertisers reacting, doing their job on behalf of their clients.

The ethical consideration can be tricky to understand in absolutes since advertising of Western products also advances Western interests in foreign lands hostile to the aspects of Western culture, but those brands don't want to work against Western culture in the West.

 

[DeepEnigma]

The ethical consideration can be tricky to understand in absolutes since advertising of Western products also advances Western interests in foreign lands hostile to the aspects of Western culture, but those brands don't want to work against Western culture in the West.

There is nothing emotional about my response, potato. If people want to call out hypocrisy all day long in here that suits their interests, I will call these companies bullshit out as well. This comes down to a culture war, no matter how they try and spin it.

About that.

 

[Kraz]

About that.

social anthropology involved in advertising ...what a secret.
Calling it a war is alarmist and stupid.

 

[DeepEnigma]

social anthropology involved in advertising ...what a secret.
Calling it a war is alarmist and stupid.

It's a war for mindshare and ideals. There is nothing stupid about it, other than handwaving when lost in the sauce.

 

[DeaDPo0L84]

Stick to the topic and stop with the petty insults.

What about significant ones?

I'M KIDDING!

 

[Kraz]

It's a war for mindshare and ideals. There is nothing stupid about it, other than handwaving when lost in the sauce.

What is happening with Russia in Ukraine is war. Advertising is not that. That's just overstatement meant to make those who could be deluded into fighting in a so called "culture war" out to be soldiers fighting the good fight with their tanks and their bombs to save the world from... the suicide of civilization.

 

[DeepEnigma]

What is happening with Russia in Ukraine is war. Advertising is not that. That's just overstatement meant to make those who could be deluded into fighting in a so called "culture war" out to be soldiers fighting the good fight with their tanks and their bombs to save the world from... the suicide of civilization.

Since y'all are fond of dictionaries when it suits,

Definition of WAR

a state of usually open and declared armed hostile conflict between states or nations; a period of such armed conflict; state of war… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

a struggle or competition between opposing forces or for a particular end
a class war
a war against disease

You can stop being purposely obtuse.

 

[Kraz]

Since y'all are fond of dictionaries when it suits,

Definition of WAR

a state of usually open and declared armed hostile conflict between states or nations; a period of such armed conflict; state of war… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

You can stop being purposely obtuse.

Yes, the word can be purposed in other ways, but that doesn't mean every time it's used is proper or conveying more than melodramatics. The word itself causes alarm and should be used carefully in some setings, like calling out a fire that isn't there.
Some people come in peace.

Maybe you're not being obtuse, but paranoid.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Yes, the word can be purposed in other ways, but that doesn't mean every time it's used is proper or conveying more than melodramatics. The word itself causes alarm and should be used carefully in some setings, like calling out a fire that isn't there.
Some people come in peace.

Maybe you're not being obtuse, but paranoid.

You're still wrong though. And it's okay to be wrong.

Use it as a learning experience.

 

[Kraz]

You're still wrong though. And it's okay to be wrong.

Not if I followed your example.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Not if I followed your example.

The dictionary?

Ok.

 

[Kraz]

The dictionary?

Ok.

You misinterpretation of it and inability to refute the point.

 

[Maiden Voyage]

So these Twitter alternatives are lit af

 

[IntentionalPun]

I want Elon to be un-muzzled again, this thread got boring fast after he sheepishly walked back his Apple comments lol

 

[DeepEnigma]

You misinterpretation of it and inability to refute the point.

I didn't invent the phrase. It's one that has been long adopted by many players on all sides of the field.

You are not an arbiter of colloquial usage of words, that much is certain.

 

[BadBurger]

There's no grand war going on for the hearts and minds of people using the weapon of advertising. It's just companies trying to sell phones, sneakers, video game consoles, the kinds of doo-dads they used hock on infomercials, etc.

And yes don't use Hive. Various security experts over on the Fediverse (like Mastodon) have been disclosing security vulnerabilities with that app and platform for the past week. At one point they even claimed to have fixed the vulnerabilities but actually did nothing. So, grain of salt with whatever they may claim when they come back online.

 

[DeepEnigma]

There's no grand war going on for the hearts and minds of people using the weapon of advertising. It's just companies trying to sell phones, sneakers, video game consoles, the kinds of doo-dads they used hock on infomercials, etc.

That is reductive and untrue. The end goal is to sell products, yes, but they will utilize culture and help shape it to get there. You are constantly being marketed to, whether it's for actual inanimate objects, news stories, politics, ideals, etc., etc..

 

[Kraz]

I want Elon to be un-muzzled again, this thread got boring fast after he sheepishly walked back his Apple comments lol

Maybe being outside the bubble he appeared to be in for the day and talking to Cook really helped him get back to a sense of reality and shook him out of the dread he was talking about with the end of civilization.

Or it's the calm before the storm...

 

[FunkMiller]

Welp, Kanye just said he can see good things about Hitler in an interview on Infowars, where him and Jones spouted a shit load of antisemitism, so that reinstatement looks to have been a work of genius on Musk’s part.

 

[Zathalus]

I always find it amazing that in tech world so many people leak company info to the world. Goes to show the kind of people who work there.

I have never once ever seen in my industry tweets or leaks about any company (mine or competitors) where some rogue employees leaked to the universe price increases, new products coming out or discontinuations, new marketing deals etc.... And all this kind of stuff is worked on way in advance so there's plenty of time for employees to spill the beans. And just about everyone in the office knows about this stuff even if your role doesn't actually work on it. You still hear about it or sit in on company meetings or town hall presentations where important details and deals are announced internally.

Technically, anyone could take that info and spill the beans to Wall Street. But you never see it.

In tech, you get everything from lawsuits, bad bosses, strategy changes etc.... all leaked to the net. Weird people working there.

Sound like somebody is salty about the "tech world" for some reason.

Also almost every single industry has had leaks, even those you would imagine to not have like espionage agencies and the military. Honestly I cannot think of a single industry that doesn't.

 

[akimbo009]

I always find it amazing that in tech world so many people leak company info to the world. Goes to show the kind of people who work there.

I have never once ever seen in my industry tweets or leaks about any company (mine or competitors) where some rogue employees leaked to the universe price increases, new products coming out or discontinuations, new marketing deals etc.... And all this kind of stuff is worked on way in advance so there's plenty of time for employees to spill the beans. And just about everyone in the office knows about this stuff even if your role doesn't actually work on it. You still hear about it or sit in on company meetings or town hall presentations where important details and deals are announced internally.

Technically, anyone could take that info and spill the beans to Wall Street. But you never see it.

In tech, you get everything from lawsuits, bad bosses, strategy changes etc.... all leaked to the net. Weird people working there.

Dude. Every industry leaks. Your tech hate seems like jealously at this point.

 

[ManaByte]

Thanks to Ye praising Hitler, no one is talking about Elon now.

 

[IntentionalPun]

Sound like somebody is salty about the "tech world" for some reason.

Also almost every single industry has had leaks, even those you would imagine to not have like espionage agencies and the military. Honestly I cannot think of a single industry that doesn't.

It's such a strange topic... any company that is under fire in particular will have publicized leaks. It's incredibly common.. like what exactly do you people think articles written with "sources" at companies implies?

Most people just don't work places where the media gives a shit what is going on at any given moment.... this is getting an enormous amount of attention.

And it legit only takes 1 person out of thousands to leak shit. When things are being said on a company Slack channel that is meant for all.. well.. everyone sees it.

 

[FunkMiller]

That is reductive and untrue. The end goal is to sell products, yes, but they will utilize culture and help shape it to get there. You are constantly being marketed to, whether it's for actual inanimate objects, news stories, politics, ideals, etc., etc..

I‘ve worked in PR and comms all my career, and have worked with many high profile clients in an employed and freelance capacity. I can assure you nobody cares about culture wars when it comes to advertising. Certain demographics are targeted of course, but no advertising or PR strategies ever lean on culture warring as a way to sell product. Largely because advertising psychology solely depends on positivity (faked or otherwise) and no companies want the bad press that inevitably comes with entering into culture war stuff. Clients are always - always - very risk averse.

 

[DeepEnigma]

I‘ve worked in PR and comms all my career, and have worked with many high profile clients in an employed and freelance capacity. I can assure you nobody cares about culture wars when it comes to advertising. Certain demographics are targeted of course, but no advertising or PR strategies ever lean on culture warring as a way to sell product. Largely because advertising psychology solely depends on positivity (faked or otherwise) and no companies want the bad press that inevitably comes with entering into culture war stuff.

Yet these companies are balls deep in it now. Literally, lol.

 

[FunkMiller]

Yet these companies are balls deep in it now. Literally, lol.

No. They’re really not. Lol.

 

[DeepEnigma]

No. They’re really not. Lol.

Yes. They are. Lol.

 

[FunkMiller]

Yes. They are. Lol.

Whats your career background in the industry?

 

[akimbo009]

Whats your career background in the industry?

We've done this... There are folks in this thread who disregard expertise to fit their narratives.

 

[Nobody_Important]

Thanks to Ye praising Hitler, no one is talking about Elon now.

I saw that.


Motherfucker has completely lost his mind. He needs help.

 

[FunkMiller]

I saw that.


Motherfucker has completely lost his mind. He needs help.

Man’s an absolute cunt. Sooner he’s banned off everything, the better.

 

[BadBurger]

Sound like somebody is salty about the "tech world" for some reason.

Also almost every single industry has had leaks, even those you would imagine to not have like espionage agencies and the military. Honestly I cannot think of a single industry that doesn't.

Yea, if one looks back at the largest scandals of the past decade in which leaks or whistleblowers revealed wrongdoing and brought down companies or executives within them, they're almost all automotive, energy, entertainment, financial, or pharmaceutical related.

 

[IntentionalPun]

I‘ve worked in PR and comms all my career, and have worked with many high profile clients in an employed and freelance capacity. I can assure you nobody cares about culture wars when it comes to advertising. Certain demographics are targeted of course, but no advertising or PR strategies ever lean on culture warring as a way to sell product. Largely because advertising psychology solely depends on positivity (faked or otherwise) and no companies want the bad press that inevitably comes with entering into culture war stuff. Clients are always - always - very risk averse.

People called toning down Christmas specific imagery as a "war on Christmas."

Trying to appeal to broader demographics IS a "culture war" to these people. It's a "woke mind virus" to have a gay couple in an ad..

I always find it hilariously melodramatic, but what can you do? Nothing changes the minds of people so lost in the sauce.*

* yes, I'm borrowing that from DeepEnigma.