Two adults have consensual sex, Texas is going to send one to jail!
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andthebeatgoeson
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How old is 15, really.YouTube
NathanMcMahon
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The age of consent isn't the law here. You are second-classing a legal adult with this law by restricting their private acts
Uhhh...every single person in the thread said she should be fired.
Did you miss the arrested part?
It's all about abuse of authority but some school districts and states take it too far.
My wife helps her students get jobs all the time (in Baltimore City). She will help them resumes, act as a reference, and even call/go to places with them to ask for employment applications.
Her first year teaching she had a student who got an interview but didn't have anything appropriate to wear so my wife took the student to a thrift store and bought her a "busines" outfit. It probably cost my wife $15.
She later found out that she could have been fired for doing that. It was an "inappropriate" gift.
Wafflecakes
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Possible but unlikely. States have the power to decide that a teacher can't have sex with a student just like they can say a 24 year old can't have sex with an elementary student (bad comparison I know....I am pointing out their power. Not whether its right or wrong).
Nothing in the constitution says when someone is an adult. That is decided by the states. Just like age of consent laws.
mugurumakensei
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That applies to a lot of things. You can't drink alcohol til you are 21.
ConfusingJazz
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Its the comparison he is making. He said ALL police officer shouldn't be in relationships. I countered that the more accurate comparison was cops shouldn't be in relationships with those that are involved in a case that they are working on or have worked on that haven't been resolved (the police officer version of graduation day +1 I suppose, but even then I bet IA would look into it)
I didn't miss it. I only said that the firing was fine.
Edit: If it was unclear, the first part of what I posted before was addressing the posters who didn't see any issue with the relationship.
Exactly. Depending on the school district there are sometimes ESL (English as a second language) students in high school who are 20 or 21 years old.
But NO ONE can drink alcohol until they are 21. It would be an issue if they segregated a section of 21 year olds and told them they werent legally able to drink.
mugurumakensei
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A judge would certainly be fined and possibly arrested for bribery if he/she had sex with a defendant in a trial he/she was presiding over.
RoadHazard
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Crazyness. Fire her, sure, but don't throw her in jail for it. He's of age, FFS.
It's illegal because a teacher could use their influence to make the student feel like they have no choice in the act. Basically if the student said no the teacher could fail the student as a punitive measure for turning them down. Which is a subset of sexual assault and rape.
For every story like this, there are 10 others that are not consentual and the victim is pressured into going along with the relationship. Plus this is the extremely rare case of an 18 year old being involved.
The charges may ultimately get dropped but the law is there for a very valid reason.
For every story like this, there are 10 others that are not consentual and the victim is pressured into going along with the relationship. Plus this is the extremely rare case of an 18 year old being involved.
The charges may ultimately get dropped but the law is there for a very valid reason.
StriKeVillain
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20 years? Ouch.
Devolution
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It's coercive. She could have easily fucked him after he graduated. She's an idiot on top of being a predator.
The student didnt say no.
It appears the line is drifting away from "position of authority" to "possibility of corruption" or something. Even then, is that illegal? If a homicide detective's wife is suspect in a murder is it illegal for them to have sex?
She's a predator? wat
He wouldn't even be involved in the case and more then likely on administration leave.
Wafflecakes
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How do you know that. With her position of authority should could blackmail him into lying.
(not saying thats what happened....just that its possible....which is why such relationships are stupid)
neoism
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RiccochetJ
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After doing some searching, basically the law is there because they want to prevent coercion or exploitation by either the faculty or the students.
If you think about it, it makes sense. A faculty member dropping subtle hints at a better or worse grade? A student doing the same thing (well, for a higher one)? What happens if the student doesn't get the grade they want?
Just the fact that such a relationship could have a direct effect on the grades being handed out? What about the headache if they break up?
Now instead of, "Well it was consensual" or "I don't even teach them!" or the other myriad of arguments that could be made, Texas decided to simplify it and just put a blanket law. Don't do it.
Now, there is an out. If you're married.
If you think about it, it makes sense. A faculty member dropping subtle hints at a better or worse grade? A student doing the same thing (well, for a higher one)? What happens if the student doesn't get the grade they want?
Just the fact that such a relationship could have a direct effect on the grades being handed out? What about the headache if they break up?
Now instead of, "Well it was consensual" or "I don't even teach them!" or the other myriad of arguments that could be made, Texas decided to simplify it and just put a blanket law. Don't do it.
Now, there is an out. If you're married.
So the action taken would be administrative, not a criminal prosecution.
Devolution
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Trolling the highschool you teach at for ass is predatory, yes. Is there some confusion here?
ConfusingJazz
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Er, abuse of a position of authority is a subsection of corruption.
And no, because the detective wouldn't be involved in a case that involves a significant other or family. Also, the victims' family would probably have a civil lawyer going through that case with a fine toothed comb, and getting ready to sue the shit out of the relevant agencies if they see any improper actions.
Well yeah, what the teacher did was illegal, being married to a murder suspect isn't.
I was only pointing out that is the reason for the law to begin with. The student may not have said no, but for the reasons you quoted could have felt that they couldn't say no. That is the reason for the law, to protect students from being abused.
Even though he was 18 and a legal adult, she is still in a position of power that can be abused.
Devolution
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Indeed. If I can speak for you, what you're saying is any student might feel coerced into saying yes. That's why abuses of authority are also written into law.
No, it's the other way around. For example, a supervisor fucking a subordinate at a bank may be an abuse of power, but is not corruption.
Or, say, a President fucking an intern.
NathanMcMahon
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In the end it won't matter. She isn't a predator and the law will be examined and refined, due to its inherent stupidity.
CF_Fighter
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Say a politician divorces or loses their partner through death. Eventually they will want to start looking for a new partner. We would be signing them over to a life of celibacy and they would basically become a monk if they wanted to be a career politician. I understand where you are coming from though in terms of abuse of power and using sex as a way to get what they want, but in reality that type of law would be dumb.
Willkiller
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I find the potential for 20 fucking years of jail time to be the much more disguising thing here than a teacher having sex with an 18 year old man.
She should be fired though, obviously.
She should be fired though, obviously.
RiccochetJ
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How about a lobbyist who also votes?
ConfusingJazz
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Its corruption, instead of money they are asking for ass. In this case, they are worried about ass for grades.
That's what it should read.
Vermillion
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That's true. When they're exactly 18 it always seems so coincidental.
NervousXtian
Thought Emoji Movie was good. Take that as you will.
Common sense dictates you don't fuck your students.
..but to go to jail? Yeah.. no.. both were legal. Fired? yes.
..but to go to jail? Yeah.. no.. both were legal. Fired? yes.
Willkiller
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They aren't mutually exclusive. I see your point though.
Absolutely. Which is why its a subset of sexual abuse and rape. They don't say no out of fear of the possible negative actions the teacher can administer(ie failing grade, negative reference to a college, etc).
Again, not saying this is the case here, but this law is very good and helps many more than this one isolated instance.
So it's your view that ALL cases of two people, one of which has some authority over the other, involved in sexual relations should result on jail time?
Devolution
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If only she could have asserted some self control and not have essentially abused her position of authority.
Define authority.
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