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Two juveniles face charges of aggravated arson in connection with Tennessee wildfire
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veryslowhand
Banned
14 dead,... hope they get judged as adults
BlackGoku03
Member
Ugh. They shouldn't try them as adults but it's terrible what they did. Hopefully their identities stay sealed.
Otakumegane
Member
Youthfulness shouldnt be an excuse for being responsible for people burning to death.
Throw the book at them
Throw the book at them
Velcro Fly
Member
How old do you have to be to know that setting a fire is wrong?
CrocMother
Banned
It's amazing that they can figure out who starts these huge fires.
This seems short-sighted.
This seems short-sighted.
Count Dookkake
Member
Never seen "gnaw" used that way. Kind of weird. Almost sounds like a translation.
TimeEffect
Member
How youthful are they
ElectricBlanketFire
Member
Ages not disclosed.
No, trying minors as adults shouldn't even be an option, it doesn't matter what they did or what the consequences of their actions were. Minors belong in a juvenile court!
Do bad grownup shit, get judged like one.
veryslowhand
Banned
I disagree, 14 murders cant just be free, old enough to start a fire for fun or whatever other reason, old enough to face the consecuences
ElectricBlanketFire
Member
And arson makes it sound like they weren't just fucking around with fireworks or something.
CrocMother
Banned
"If you're old enough to start a fire..."
So what, like 4?
So what, like 4?
veryslowhand
Banned
they are not 4
Velcro Fly
Member
I think they've been saying all along they believed the fire that started all this to be purposely set.
And it isn't just 14 murders. It is a whole lot of property damage, economic harm, etc.
How many people lost everything in this?
If they are like 16-17, just try them as adults.
And it isn't just 14 murders. It is a whole lot of property damage, economic harm, etc.
How many people lost everything in this?
If they are like 16-17, just try them as adults.
CrocMother
Banned
What if they were? Still try them as adults?
veryslowhand
Banned
them judge the parents
SocksAndShoes
Banned
We don't know they're 16/17 though...
And it's really weird to me that the law establishes multiple times in this country that 18 = adulthood, yet when someone does something terrible we decide they're adults before turning 18. Makes no sense.
SugarDaddy
Member
How long is it possible to mandate voluntary service? They should be forced to volunteer in in a burn ward for the longest possible time
Poltergust
Member
Fixed that for you, because that is what arson is.
CrocMother
Banned
You'd do well in a pitchfork mob
Doesn't really change anything, children can intentionally start fires.
My point is that coming up with arbitrary rules on who should and shouldn't be tried as an adult is wrong and dangerous.
ElectricBlanketFire
Member
Yes, clearly there is no wiggle room in this discussion.
LOL WUT.
So many lives were lost because of their stupidity.
Try them as adults and teach a lesson.
CrocMother
Banned
Because that is the point of our penal system, correct? To "teach people a lesson"?
I don't know anything about them, but I would be pretty surprised if they meant for things to get this out of control with the fires. Probably just some stupid kids playing with fire and they didn't know what could happen.
I am not sure how you really punish something like this; but to put things in some perspective, there are people serving life prisons in jail over simple marijuana possession. They caused the deaths of 14 people and affected the lives of hundreds.
I am not sure how you really punish something like this; but to put things in some perspective, there are people serving life prisons in jail over simple marijuana possession. They caused the deaths of 14 people and affected the lives of hundreds.
Throw away the key.
Mammoth Jones
Member
I don't know how to feel on this. One one hand 14 people are dead. On the other hand these were kids that probably thought they were just starting a small fire and ever expected it to get as out of hand as it got.
But on the other other hand....14 fucking people are dead.
But on the other other hand....14 fucking people are dead.
Pretty much. Will teach other kids to not be dumb idiots.
Velcro Fly
Member
If they are possibly going to be charged as adults, they aren't four or seven years old.
CrocMother
Banned
My point is that if we've decided that 18 is an adult, why do we change that based on how bad a crime is? A minor is a minor. End of discussion.
And if we do change it, how do we weigh the crime vs age?
If the arsonists were 17 but killed only 1 person, do we still try as an adult?
If they are 14 and kill 100, try as an adult?
SugarDaddy
Member
It will? These other kids gonna definitely be well informed about these court proceedings and judgements huh?
It's not going to keep kids from being dumb. It's just going to ruin their lives, and i'm not defending them either. I don't know their age, or what, but I find it hard to believe it was a deliberate case of LETS BURN THIS WHOLE FUCKER DOWN. But arguing that throwing the hammer down on these kids will somehow leave an impression on other kids, is well, a bit naive.
I think it depends on the circumstances.
If this was just a couple of kids plying with matches or trying to burn an anthill that got out of control, I think we should place more sympathy with them.
With the charge of aggravated arson, though, I suspect the fire was started aggressively and with full intent to destroy something substantial, which is certainly less sympathetic.
If this was just a couple of kids plying with matches or trying to burn an anthill that got out of control, I think we should place more sympathy with them.
With the charge of aggravated arson, though, I suspect the fire was started aggressively and with full intent to destroy something substantial, which is certainly less sympathetic.
NealMcCauley
Member
Local article says both are teenagers.
CrocMother
Banned
Completely arbitrary and unlawful.
DrForester
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Barring some malicious intent, I don't think adult charges are appropriate. It is an absolutely terrible thing that happened, but no point in ruining two more lives by throwing them in jail forever.
ElectricBlanketFire
Member
It's not arbitrary. A 4-year-old is not the same as a 17 and 364 day old.
Dead Prince
Banned
when they turn legal they can get trialed then. or they get trialed as an adult now.
starchild excalibur
Member
You could torture these juveniles to death and it wouldn't prevent other kids from being "dumb idiots."
Velcro Fly
Member
I may be incorrect but waiting for them to age out of juvenile court and then springing the trap on them sounds way more illegal than just trying them as adults right now.
Naw, don't do that. There needs to be exceptions. Mexico did that and you know what happened? Drug cartels started recruiting teenagers to do their killings and tortures because they were only given minimum juvenile sentences...
I guess the real question is what is the extent of the initial cause of the fire? If they were just playing around burning paper or fireworks or whatever and had no real intention of hurting people/property that is a completely different issue than something with some real criminal intent.
A lot of teenagers play around with fire, even in forests. East TN has just been really dry over the past few months and this is one of the few times that a fire of this magnitude was even possible. I guess all we can do is wait around until we know more.
A lot of teenagers play around with fire, even in forests. East TN has just been really dry over the past few months and this is one of the few times that a fire of this magnitude was even possible. I guess all we can do is wait around until we know more.
The exceptions should be laid out then, not left up to the judge's discretion.
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