oneils
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Shrug, the fact that the bias exists would be enough to convince me. Strong counter argument might be that the same bias exists in Canada but on a different scale. I'm not sure what I would do when faced with that argument.
U.S. citizen seeks refugee status in Canada due to fear of police racism
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Shrug, the fact that the bias exists would be enough to convince me. Strong counter argument might be that the same bias exists in Canada but on a different scale. I'm not sure what I would do when faced with that argument.
An American cop in Europe or Africa and Asia would have a heart attack from all of us jaywalking.
There would be like 70% of the population in jailed or fined.
kame-sennin
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If you just look at the raw numbers, perhaps. But he claims he has already been harassed and faced with false charges. Once you have been targeted by police, the odds of subsequent harassment rise considerably. And the more encounters you have with police, the greater the chance an interaction will turn into tragedy. Eric Garner, for instance, was repeatedly harassed by the police for small "quality of life" offenses. The last of those interactions resulted in his murder.
Spring-Loaded
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The fear of getting killed by police is rational though. We can't read his mind to see whether he's only concerned about facing charges, but we see every day how little value police/the justice system place on the lives of minorities on every level.
People have been killed for less than any one charge this guy faces.
A US citizen just can't pick up and move to Canada like they would move from State to State. The two primary routes would be sponsorship (ie; spouse) and skilled worker, which is a points based system. Of course claiming refugee status like the man in the OP is a way as well, just not usually from the States.
The LAPD beat 2pac up for jaywalking. He won a civil suit against those clowns.
There's also a more recent case of police beating someone up for jaywalking, I forgot which state. But jaywalking while black will land you in the hospital via nightstick. #datslaveeraswag
Charges which are probably false. Go watch Thabo Sefolosha's arrest and watch how the brutish, violent negro resists his arrest all while conducting himself in a disorderly manner.
Spoiler alert- none of that occured yet he faced a year in jail for his encounter with NYPD.
I wonder if his threats were "I'll sue!!"
I doubt he flees solely because of the potential of death by police officer.
Do people realize how much being arrested can ruin ones life? Or being imprisoned? It ruins job potential, one's outlook on life.
Not to mention the threat of police brutality/sexual assault which happens at a much higher frequency than 1/10000.
As of now, none of the charges I see presented of him are particularly worrisome (except disorderly conduct, which may or may not have been tacked on to resisting arrest) so until further information is presented about him, I am of a mind that they aren't exactly the most trustworthy, given the police force's track record.
Do people realize how much being arrested can ruin ones life? Or being imprisoned? It ruins job potential, one's outlook on life.
Not to mention the threat of police brutality/sexual assault which happens at a much higher frequency than 1/10000.
As of now, none of the charges I see presented of him are particularly worrisome (except disorderly conduct, which may or may not have been tacked on to resisting arrest) so until further information is presented about him, I am of a mind that they aren't exactly the most trustworthy, given the police force's track record.
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He's in for a surprise.
http://www.cbc.ca/m/news/canada/mon...olice-sex-abuse-under-investigation-1.3282845
http://www.cbc.ca/m/news/canada/mon...olice-sex-abuse-under-investigation-1.3282845
Video on the dubious history of jaywalking from Adam Ruins Everything. I thought it was weird to see jaywalking included among charges like issuing threats, but this kind of puts that into perspective.
I wouldn't be surprised if he got all of the charges when someone actually approached him about jaywalking.
meltingparappa
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I was going to say - quite the gambit for him to take while buying into the myth of Utopian Canada.
Canada has a massive race problem I'd argue is much more pervasize than (the northern) US.
SillyEskimo
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I was listening to NPR the other day and the statistic they quoted was a black male is 60x more likely to be killed by another black male than a police officer. It might have been 600%? Whatever it was, it was a frightening statistic.
Now you've done it. "what about black on black crime" is a big dog whistle that people use to deflect the issue and people here don't stand for it.
MWS Natural
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Really? They have been trying to get us to go Back go ______ for ages already. Racists would be ecstatic!
Go back to Canada would probably be refreshing.
What about black on black crime is a meaningless stat, because the vast majority of murders don't cross races. Whites are more likely to kill whites, Asians are more often likely to kill asians, etc
MWS Natural
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What are the odds of a police officer being killed by a black male???
Their unfounded "fears" still allow them to kill black men every day at an increasing rate. Black Fears don't matter?
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CrocMother
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Is this true?
If it were coming from anyone else but SillyEskimo I might think it was an accident.
ITT people who have no idea how hard it is to move to Canada.
He has 0 chance for his claim. He has a record. That is a big No-No nowadays in Canada. And if they approved his claim it could set a precedent.
And yeah even if you're american you can't just decide to move here because you feel like it. You need a sponsor and there's a points system and a lot of requirements. I bet it's easier for you to move to a EU country than Canada.
He has 0 chance for his claim. He has a record. That is a big No-No nowadays in Canada. And if they approved his claim it could set a precedent.
And yeah even if you're american you can't just decide to move here because you feel like it. You need a sponsor and there's a points system and a lot of requirements. I bet it's easier for you to move to a EU country than Canada.
What other toddler is more likely to conceal and carry?
LOL every time you post stuff like this, your username and photo crack me up. Black on black crime is 93%, white on white is 86%... most crime is intra-racial. Socioeconomics and the funneling of blacks into poverty are responsible for the minor % differential. Context baby, don't be a silly eskimo by buying into white supremacist narratives.
You cannot fully trust rich white corporate elite owned media when it comes to reporting on black people. This is not calling out npr specifically but nearly all media that mention the epidemic of "black on black" crime never mention the context and nuance I just posted. It's a myth pushed to dehumanize and further the black savage stereotype.
Most of the things he is charge for are, how do I say it, subjective to interpretation.
I mean if he don't think he deserve to be accused as such and after witness his fellow black folks getting tortured to death in prison ( the cops responsible got away scott-free from murder ) etc. his fears are legitimate.
I mean if he don't think he deserve to be accused as such and after witness his fellow black folks getting tortured to death in prison ( the cops responsible got away scott-free from murder ) etc. his fears are legitimate.
Cyber Caesar
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The rapid spread of misinformation is a growing problem in our world of constant media consumption.
Yup. The problem isn't that black people are being massacred by the police on a large scale. Its the ongoing harrassment, getting jailed/fined for minor offenses, etc. The number of civilian deaths are relatively low(same with cops for that matter), the reason its been sensationalized is how those incidents tend to be a perfect storm of in-house racism and corruption yet everyone blames external factors or the victims and best case scenario for justice is a slap on the wrist.
However those small infractions adds up to the point where your quality of life gets affected since the people they target that know can't fight it are the poor. People getting killed by cops are rare...people getting caught in the prison industrial complex though...millions.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0UjpmT5noto
Those charges seem minor, but when they get stacked up, and added with jail time, you have a situation where you're not getting a job, and you're stuck in poverty status for the rest of your life.
Worse, you may end up back in the criminal justice system, and spend years, or even decades in prison.
While actual black deaths at the hands of cops is relatively rare, the number of blacks whose lives are ruined by the criminal justice system isn't rare at all.
Worse, you may end up back in the criminal justice system, and spend years, or even decades in prison.
While actual black deaths at the hands of cops is relatively rare, the number of blacks whose lives are ruined by the criminal justice system isn't rare at all.
70 percent of the adult population of Ferguson had some kind warrant out on them. Well until BLM got them to throw them out.
Now do anyone believes that 70 percent of a town is full of criminals? That is failed state status.
Carnby
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But it was on NPR.
Second thread in a week about a minority that wanna bail on the country because of the police. Lets see how it goes.
Eh, its sillyeskimo, thats just trolling to get by until its time to say Shawn King is white again.
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Lev
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Vancouver is not a good choice. The VPD is occasionally in the news for using brutality when making arrests, and there have been complaints from citizens about how they use racial profiling. I can see how things would be better than his current situation if he lived in Canada, but I don't think he will ever feel safe from the police there either.
So maybe this guy has a better case for refugee status by citing his percentage chance to be killed by his neighbors?
It's almost impossible to get refugee status if you come from a functioning democracy. And yes, the US is a functioning democracy when it comes to these matters.
No matter how dire things might be for many black people in America, it probably can't be labeled as state-sponsored or state-tolerated persecution.
And then, there are the questions of internal flight alternatives and protection of the state that would probably disqualify him as well.
No matter how dire things might be for many black people in America, it probably can't be labeled as state-sponsored or state-tolerated persecution.
And then, there are the questions of internal flight alternatives and protection of the state that would probably disqualify him as well.
You Are Viewtiful
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You probably can tbh.
It's ironic though: because of Canada's own racism issues, he probably won't get accepted. Harper wrecked the refugee claimant system big time.
Also worth mentioning that Canadian police also have a huge issue with racism, see the carding issue in Toronto. Canadian police don't problems with brutality though. Also, most police in Canada, in response to Ferguson, now have to carry a camera on them, so they can't get away with much.
Angelus Errare
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This is seethrough as fuck.
GTS300Coupe
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has nothing to do with racism. you can't seriously believe people should be able to immigrate to another country because of racism in their own country. that's not how it works....
There are way more Americans who identify as black. The first Google result says 41.7 million. Where are you getting 8 million from?
You Are Viewtiful
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You CAN get refugee status because of racism, particularly the violent type. It's actually one of the main reasons people apply for asylum. I don't see why you think it's so ridiculous that someone would emigrate over racism.
GTS300Coupe
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definitely not from the US though.
I haven't checked your figures, but 1/10000 of being murded by cops in 2014, right? Much higher over a lifetime of US residence.
Presumably you lower the odds if you emigrate halfway through your life.
You Are Viewtiful
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The US isn't special. We accepted 20,000 black Americans escaping slavery. We accepted 40,000 Americans escaping the Vietnam draft.
You're right though, because of changes Harper made in the system to discourage Roma refugees, people from democratic countries have a harder time getting in. The US being one of those countries.
The criteria are the same as they were before Harper and this guy probably don't meet them.
Harper did change the process to make it harder to appeal, and he created a list of "safe countries" that was pretty much a way to block refugees from Mexico and Hungary. The list has since been declared unconstitutionnal.
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