U.S. drones targeting rescuers and mourners

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I'm seriously hoping one of these drones goes rouge and "accidentally" shoots the White House when only one person is there. Take a wild guess who?

What an incredibly fucking stupid thing to say. It's 2012 and people still think what they say on the internet can't be traced back to them. Good luck.



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I don't like the idea of Ron Paul sitting in the White House complacent about not interfering when people are being slaughtered in other countries. I do think the U.S. should help when people are begging not to be killed by their governments.
 
So basically giving further fuel and reason for terrorists to justify their actions? Sounds about right. Don't really know who the bad guys are anymore, all I know is the US are the one's taking more innocent lives.

Identifying the bad guys is piss easy imo, it's identifying the good guys I am having difficulty with.
 
Don't bother with El Retorno. One of those gung ho America Fuck yea type guys who have taken in to it head first and blindfolded. Same guy who disregards all international law and believes amusing things like Israel providing equal rights to Muslims and Palestinians etc.

Yeah, I am done.

Dude needs to read a history book on the region. Otherwise he is going to continue to see this issue in black and white.
 
Don't bother with El Retorno. One of those gung ho America Fuck yea type guys who have taken in to it head first and blindfolded. Same guy who disregards all international law and believes amusing things like Israel providing equal rights to Muslims and Palestinians etc.

Yeah Nib because you have room to talk with your "completely unbiased" perspectives right?
 
The official added: “One must wonder why an effort that has so carefully gone after terrorists who plot to kill civilians has been subjected to so much misinformation. Let’s be under no illusions — there are a number of elements who would like nothing more than to malign these efforts and help Al Qaeda succeed.”

Gee, it's almost like Dick Cheney never left.

Here's Chris Woods with the Bureau of Investigative Journalism on Democracy Now, answering questions.

http://www.democracynow.org/2012/2/6/us_accused_of_using_drones_to

Also quite related to all this...

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics...g-war-in-secret-vs-american-democracy/252677/
 
Why when you read articles like these it's always "the drones" that have done the killing. They aren't automated, merely remotely piloted. It was a real live human being that pulled the trigger and killed those people. If this was done in a manned air strike, no one would be blaming the fighter jets... they would look squarely at the pilots.

Civilians including women and children being killed in war is both mundane and despicable. It happens all the time, because war is dirty, bloody, and indiscriminate. The US just tries to sugar coat it like it's a rare event because they like to use civilian killings to demonize opponents, but they are as guilty as any other military force.

The precision of modern war has drastically reduced civilian casualties. Also despite what some people might believe the US doesn't have a policy of deliberately targeting civilians like terrorist organizations.
 
Don't bother with El Retorno. One of those gung ho America Fuck yea type guys who have taken in to it head first and blindfolded. Same guy who disregards all international law and believes amusing things like Israel providing equal rights to Muslims and Palestinians etc.

I just don't think these kind of things are war crimes. You probably missed the part where I said that I'm in favor of a drastic drawdown. Because I don't think things that aren't war crimes aren't war crimes I'm an "America Fuck yea" guy.

And way to twist what I've said about Israel. All I've ever said has been that within Israel, Muslims and Jews have pretty much the same rights. I never said anything to say that they treat palestinians that way and actually am hightly critical of there treatment.

I'm sorry I don't think the US is the worst country in the world and source of all the problems in the world.


You don't understand the concept of blowback do you?

Please enlighten me how killing insurgents with the high potential of collateral damage and possibly destabilizing a nuclear power keeps Americans safe.

There were never many Al Qaeda operatives in Afghanistan to begin with and Mullah Omar fucking curses Osama bin Laden and his ilk now. He blames them for the Taliban losing their power.

I completly understand the concept of blowback. I never said that these attacks haven't bread more terrorists. I'm just saying your caracterization of it has only doing that is silly.
And to answer your second question becuase dead people can't plan attacks against US and can't kill US solders.

And btw I'm in favor of a negotiated settlement with the taliban, just not one that leads to them taking over the country and turning it back into what it was in 2001.


Yeah, I am done.

Dude needs to read a history book on the region. Otherwise he is going to continue to see this issue in black and white.
I've read those history books where letting these people just rot there leads to their country being used as a base of attack against ours.
 
Have there been other attacks? and are we doing other things?

What measure does that point have when you consider how many attempts there have been since? The sheer fact that they have ultimately failed doesn't negate the crux of the matter - that military campaigns, especially invasions [occupations], not only perpetuate hate but create new ones. Surely you understand that?

You seem to be arguing we have no right to be over there because of what some people wrote about a different country.

No, I'm not arguing that all. The US can here or there, the question is will it be safer from terrorism in 2015? What I am arguing, if anything, is that a cruise missile was designed for a physical object and not an idea; bullets cannot reach the motivating factors. Case in point, how do you think the average Iraqi or Afghan feels about the United States
 
I miss the old days when we annihilated whole city populations just to win. Now a days you have to tip toe around civilians, can't even use your most powerful weapons any more.
 
I wonder if the definition of "war-crime" is easily changeable. But international laws are, by nature, unweildly and broadbrush.

Still, if your gut reaction is "fuck this shit" I'd say I agree with you.
 
I don't like the idea of Ron Paul sitting in the White House complacent about not interfering when people are being slaughtered in other countries. I do think the U.S. should help when people are begging not to be killed by their governments.

And I don't like the idea of us butting in all over the world when we have serious problems at home.

By any objective definition, the US is a police state. Instead of worrying about how people are being repressed in other countries, why not fix the repression problems here? I mean, we're the ones with more people in jail than any other country in the world, mostly for harmless/victimless crimes, and disproportionally minorities. Do we really need to lock up 6x more people than Canada does? I mean, they aren't exactly Somalia - if anything, it's probably civilized than the US.

Beyond that, does it make sense that it's okay to kill people willy nilly in air strikes, just because we also sometimes (but not all the time) interfere to save people (like in Libya, but not Syria).

And don't even get me started on the Drug War. We have soldiers (in everything but name) kicking in doors and harassing people all over Latin America. Why should these people be harassed and suffer from America's love of using drugs?
 
What measure does that point have when you consider how many attempts there have been since? The sheer fact that they have ultimately failed doesn't negate the crux of the matter - that military campaigns, especially invasions [occupations], not only perpetuate hate but create new ones. Surely you understand that?



No, I'm not arguing that all. The US can here or there, the question is will it be safer from terrorism in 2015? What I am arguing, if anything, is that a cruise missile was designed for a physical object and not an idea; bullets cannot reach the motivating factors. Case in point, how do you think the average Iraqi or Afghan feels about the United States

No I understand that these things can bread new conflicts. I'm not really trying to argue for these attacks just that they're not what their being characterized as (war crimes or the same thing as 9/11).

I don't know what these guys are doing or planning. I'm not in the CIA. and I've said I'm in favor of a large drawdown because I think we've done a good job of getting most of those people that were planning to hurt us.

I am in favor though of a continued and robust intellgence operation that makes sure people over there aren't trying to plan anything against us. I also wouldn't be against drone strikes if there was pretty darn good evidence. I'm not in favor of 100,000 boots on the ground though. I don't think the mission requires that anymore.
 
Oh my god; The terrorists that executed the 9/11 attacks are not from Pakistan or Afghanistan. There also is no evidence of their respective governments having any connections to these terrorists.

Osama was chilling in a house in Pakistan for months and they lied about it on multiple occasions!
 
So 9/11 was a catalyst, but you almost lean towards the notion that 9/11 was "allowed" to occur for those alterior motives. Which is something I can't buy into.

I agree with the idea that more collateral creates more terrorists. Creates a war industry that never ceases. I'm all for complete US withdrawal from that region btw. 10+ years is more than enough time imo.

I wouldn't say that, I'm not really invested into the conspiracy theory around it, but as as Operation Northwoods illustrated, it being allowed to occur isn't something beyond the pale. Rather what I lean to is that there may have been people who used the attacks as a catalyst to further their own "neocon" agendas in the region.

I don't oppose all wars. What I am opposed to is a dumb war. What I am opposed to is a rash war. What I am opposed to is the cynical attempt by Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz (names ring a bell? Look at those previous signatories) and other armchair, weekend warriors in this administration to shove their own ideological agendas down our throats, irrespective of the costs in lives lost and in hardships borne.
- Senator Barack Obama, 2002.
 
Because the SS only investigates threats to the president if there in America?
I really don't think the FBI is going to knock on a door halfway around the world because of a stupid post that wasn't even an actual threat. Him hoping for something happening does not equal him planning something. They won't get a search warrant for that kind of post, and America, contrary to the beliefs of many, is NOT the world police and can't just interrogate anyone anywhere.

Edit: uh-oh. Defending a potential terrorist probably put me on a watch-list as well. Time to delete all posts and move to *classified*.
 
I wouldn't say that, I'm not really invested into the conspiracy theory around it, but as as Operation Northwoods illustrated, it being allowed to occur isn't something beyond the pale. Rather what I lean to is that there may have been people who used the attacks as a catalyst to further their own "neocon" agendas in the region.

I don't oppose all wars. What I am opposed to is a dumb war. What I am opposed to is a rash war. What I am opposed to is the cynical attempt by Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz (names ring a bell? Look at those previous signatories) and other armchair, weekend warriors in this administration to shove their own ideological agendas down our throats, irrespective of the costs in lives lost and in hardships borne.
- Senator Barack Obama, 2002.

I don't disagree with analysis of it. The sooner we leave these regions the better.

Wow at that quote. Incredible when you look at things now.
 
Hey look it's those people that believe war shouldn't kill civilians ...

Seriously where the fuck did they get that from?


Newsflash everyone, war means people die. It's incredible that your bitching about the deaths of these civilians from UAV air strikes when the results of an actual ground invasion are only too obvious (cough iraq, cough afgahnistan, cough vietnam, cough korea, cough etc etc).

The civilian death toll, the cost and the impact the drones have had on terrorists in the Pakistani regions has being unparalleled. We have systematically cut down the high ranking terrorists and their conspirators with barely any feet on the ground and incredibly minimal loss of life, infrastructure and resources.

I would happily see twice the civilian death toll from these UAV strikes, as long as it keeps an invasion force at bay, and so should all of you.
 
I wonder what makes people in these countries that we slaughter civilians in turn to a life of terrorism. Could it be that they've lost everything and then know nothing but a life of exacting vengeance? What will it take to yank the steering wheel of this vile country out of the hands of cold murderers?

Which vile country would that be?

Terrorism is rooted in the deep sense of violation and humiliation.
http://humiliationstudies.org/documents/evelin/HumiliationTerrorism.pdf

USgov's policy towards its own sense of humiliation has been to inflict the violation of sovereignty on large populations of people, through the tools of empire- war, assassination, financial cronyism, sanctions, support of despots (realpolitik), neoliberal trade policy etc. Not that this is anything new, General Smedley Butler will tell you. Same shit, different wrapper.

But the terrorism wrapper is especially effective in the sense that the prosecution catalyzes a constant "state of war" with no geographical boundaries or possibility of surrender. Al Qaeda was a euphemism the moment it was invented. Terrorism, as an emotional idea, is not going to "surrender". The affinities and incentives driving a National Security complex couldn't ask for a better fulcrum.
 
Lol at pretty much. Well, a least it's some sort of step in the right direction. Nice addition btw.

I'm not going to get into a argument over whether the law of return means Muslims are second class and things like that. That's what I ment. Not that I'm really retracting what I've said before.

And if you've noticed I haven't really been "defending Israel" recently. But this is a topic for another thread.
 
Hey look it's those people that believe war shouldn't kill civilians ...

Seriously where the fuck did they get that from?


Newsflash everyone, war means people die. It's incredible that your bitching about the deaths of these civilians from UAV air strikes when the results of an actual ground invasion are only too obvious (cough iraq, cough afgahnistan, cough vietnam, cough korea, cough etc etc).
I'll just quote myself, since no-one replied:
Well, if an airstrike would've killed hitler and 50 innocents, I'd have pushed the button myself.
Yeah, godwin's law and all that. Come at me bro

So yeah, I'm with you on that. War is hell, news at 11.

I would happily see twice the civilian death toll from these UAV strikes, as long as it keeps an invasion force at bay, and so should all of you.
Not sure if I understand? Do you think the drones keep a Pakistani invasion force at bay?
Or are you saying a US ground invasion is not necessary because of the drones?
Agreed if you mean the latter, lolwut if you mean the former.
 
In threads like this a lot of GAF posters remind me of those kids I had history classes and art classes with before I changed majors. So glad college is almost over.

Also, like someone said before, I think a non bias, non agenda driven view of this event is needed before we put on our anti-authority, hate the U.S liberal berets on.
 
And I don't like the idea of us butting in all over the world when we have serious problems at home.

By any objective definition, the US is a police state. Instead of worrying about how people are being repressed in other countries, why not fix the repression problems here? I mean, we're the ones with more people in jail than any other country in the world, mostly for harmless/victimless crimes, and disproportionally minorities. Do we really need to lock up 6x more people than Canada does? I mean, they aren't exactly Somalia - if anything, it's probably civilized than the US.

Beyond that, does it make sense that it's okay to kill people willy nilly in air strikes, just because we also sometimes (but not all the time) interfere to save people (like in Libya, but not Syria).

And don't even get me started on the Drug War. We have soldiers (in everything but name) kicking in doors and harassing people all over Latin America. Why should these people be harassed and suffer from America's love of using drugs?


Butting in and stepping in are two completely different things. I'm not talking about invading countries on false premises and nation-building. I'm talking about intervening when people are being slaughtered. I think we should help in Syria. I thought we should help in Libya. I don't like the idea of consoling myself by pretending the rest of the world can handle every problem they face on their own. When they ASK for help, when people are begging for help, we should help. If we're smart about what we're doing, we can make progress at home and achieve military successes abroad( as we've already done). We can walk and chew gum at the same time when we feel like it.



EDIT: CNN just confirmed the administration and the pentagon are looking into military action.
 
Also despite what some people might believe the US doesn't have a policy of deliberately targeting civilians like terrorist organizations.

Any attack where there are civilians is a policy of targeting civilians. When there is foreknowledge that civilians will likely be killed, it is the policy to likely kill them. Regardless of any august claims of precision and intelligence that fail time and time again. Or bullshit about human shields (aka neighborhoods). Decisions are made that kill innocent people for the sake of "security".

"collateral damage" may be the Western euphemism for justifying these homicides. but everyone professes noble intent for their version of killing, even terrorists. it's pure casuistry.
 
Not sure if I understand? Do you think the drones keep a Pakistani invasion force at bay?
Or are you saying a US ground invasion is not necessary because of the drones?
Agreed if you mean the latter, lolwut if you mean the former.

I'm saying keeping a US ground force from invading and rooting out these terrorists house by house.

Any attack where there are civilians is a policy of targeting civilians. When there is foreknowledge that civilians will likely be killed, it is the policy to likely kill them. Regardless of any august claims of precision that fail time and time again. Or bullshit about human shields (aka neighborhoods). Decisions are made that kill innocent people for the sake of "security".

"collateral damage" may be the Western euphemism for justifying these homicides. but everyone professes noble intent for their version of killing, even terrorists. it's pure casuistry.

You skimped over that bit about 'security' and didn't really explain it ...

Security as in locking your house? Or you know security as in knowing the death of this man potentially saves the lives of hundreds of others? It's that point you realise those 10 'innocent' civilians living with that terrorist are understandably expendable.

Just like shooting down a hijacked plane before it hits a building is understandable.
 
I'm saying keeping a US ground force from invading and rooting out these terrorists house by house.
Yeah, that's what i thought. I absolutely agree.

And to anyone saying collateral damage with human shields is murder: those people probably knowingly hid terrorists in their midst. And even if not, the terrorists are to blame for the deaths because they pulled those people into the war. If the terrorists had fought fair, there would have been no collateral damage.

I'm not even from the US and far from a US apologist, but the US hate gets silly at times.
War means innocent people caught in the middle die. It has always been this way and will likely continue to be this way for quite some time.
 
- kill terrorists
- wait for other terrorists come in afterwards to investigate/help/etc.
- strike again
- people (terrorist, sympathizers) claim U.S is targeting innocent civilians to make them look bad and try to deter future attacks

That's the military's thought process I imagine

The reality as always is somewhere in the middle
 
Or you know security as in knowing the death of this man potentially saves the lives of hundreds of others? It's that point you realise those 'innocent' civilians living with that terrorist are understandably expendable.

How do I know this? Explain.

Interesting how you phrase even the possibility of innocence.

I think a non bias, non agenda driven view of this event is needed before we put on our anti-authority, hate the U.S liberal berets on.

Could you explain how the methodology used by the Bureau of Investigative Journalism is tainted, or provide evidence that they "hate the US"?

What would a non-agenda driven view of these events look like, precisely?
 
I facepalm so hard when reading GAF sometimes. America is not targetting civillians guys, just think about it for a minute, why the fuck would we do it? How does that possibly make sense? The claims in this article on motive are pure conjecture, and despite my respect for some of Greenwald's work he's prone to hyperbole especially when it comes to the Obama administration.

Pred/Reaper strikes aren't out there just to kill civilians, they are searching for specific targets to kill and regularly (And unfortunately) in Afghanistan those targets are in populated areas as I'm sure you remember with bin Laden. We can't do Navy SEAL drops for every target, and that'd place their lives in danger too, would you prefer that? They return to the scene of the attack to ensure they hit all targets. As you can see in the picture of an example of footage from what they work with to determine whether or not the mission was a success, it's not the best quality. It's difficult if not impossible to differentiate between targets and sometimes that leads to civilians dying when they determine that the target must be killed. I don't like it either but sometimes the target is legitimately dangerous, we don't have all the information so I don't feel that it's fair to blame the guy who made that call.
 
Not surprising in the least. Remember the video of the US Apache firing on "insurgents" that were really just reporters with video cameras? Remember how the pilots fired on the van speeding to scene of the attack and killing those that were trying to help the individuals initially fired upon? Yeah.....
 
How do I know this? Explain.

Interesting how you phrase even the possibility of innocence.

Example:

22 November 2008 - Al-Qaeda operative Rashid Rauf and 4 others including Abu Zubair al-Masri killed in a strike in North Waziristan.

That's a terrorist who tried to blow up 10 airliners and an explosive expert.

Just an example of hundreds of lives saved by the excellent precision of UAV missile strikes.



Besides those missiles are expensive. They don't just require detailed intelligence, they want it before firing them off.


Also

Messages recovered from Osama bin Laden's home after his death in 2011, including one from then al Qaeda No. 3, Atiyah Abd al-Rahman reportedly, according to the Agence France-Presse and the Washington Post, expressed frustration with the drone strikes in Pakistan. According to an unnamed U.S. Government official, in his message al-Rahman complained that drone-launched missiles were killing al Qaeda operatives faster than they could be replaced.

That puts a big fat smile on my face.
 
Title is misleading. The drone isn't specifically targeting mourners and rescuers but the militants who have made the cost-benefit strike on them opportune.
 
Title is misleading. The drone isn't specifically targeting mourners and rescuers but the militants who have made the cost-benefit strike on them opportune.
That's exactly what I began by pointing out. The Op and article's writer have an agenda though.
 
Bullshit. I worked JDOC in Iraq and have seen first hand the sort of hoops the military has to jump through prior to getting permission to fire.
 

OK, so you're largely relying on government claims which we know never makes mistakes, obfuscates, revisions, or distorts the truth to cover incompetence, malfeasance, illegality etc.

They don't just require detailed intelligence, they want it before firing them off.

Yes, there is a cost benefit analysis that decides whether innocent people at a wedding party of funereal "deserve" to be massacred. Like our friends the Israelis, that algorithm undoubtedly includes the cost/benefit of 'collective punishment'. But funds for military hardware are hardly constrained in the climate of a Security State. "Detailed intelligence" is a rather meaningless term. It can never be checked independently. And certainly not accurate intelligence. Considering the track record of the institutions involved, let alone the questionable threat "our enemies" pose in the first place, it's an incredible claim that any of this has an empirical basis in "security". If anything collateral damage would seem to have an adverse effect to security over the long term. Unless a perpetual state of emergency is in fact the goal.
 
OK, so you're largely relying on government claims which we know never makes mistakes, obfuscates, revisions, or distorts the truth to cover incompetence, malfeasance, illegality etc.



Yes, there is a cost benefit analysis that decides whether innocent people at a wedding party of funereal "deserve" to be massacred. Like our friends the Israelis, that algorithm undoubtedly includes the cost/benefit of 'collective punishment'. But funds for military hardware are hardly constrained in the climate of a Security State. "Detailed intelligence" is a rather meaningless term. It can never be checked independently. And certainly not accurate intelligence. Considering the track record of the institutions involved, let alone the questionable threat "our enemies" pose in the first place, it's an incredible claim that any of this has an empirical basis in "security". If anything collateral damage would seem to have an adverse effect to security over the long term. Unless a perpetual state of emergency is in fact the goal.

I'd be interested to see how many would support "collateral damage" when taking out "militants" if their own person and/or families were the collateral in place. Shame the victims don't have the ability to white knight on message boards for their cause.
 
I'd be interested to see how many would support "collateral damage" when taking out "militants" if their own person and/or families were the collateral in place. Shame the victims don't have the ability to white knight on message boards for their cause.

I believe Casp0r already explained that they do not have a cause, they're not even really people. Once they're caught living in the vicinity of an unverifiable US government decree of terrorist activity, they're "understandably expendable". Unpeople.
 
I'm seriously hoping one of these drones goes rouge and "accidentally" shoots the White House when only one person is there. Take a wild guess who?

Can you guess who from this thread is going to get a visit from the FBI / Secret Service?

I don't understand how Kenya is more favorable to The US than The US itself, that's just weird.

At last, conclusive proof that Obama is Kenyan not American!

Title is misleading. The drone isn't specifically targeting mourners and rescuers but the militants who have made the cost-benefit strike on them opportune.

Concepts like "cost-benefit analysis" are not sexy enough to get the page views.
 
I believe Casp0r already explained that they do not have a cause, they're not even really people. Once they're caught living in the vicinity of an unverifiable US government decree of terrorist activity, they're "understandably expendable". Unpeople.

Someone living without any attempting to do harm to my person = people. I guess we have a fundamental difference of opinion.

Can you guess who from this thread is going to get a visit from the FBI / Secret Service?

Given that he didn't make a direct threat against an individual in government, I'm going to say noone!

I wish all those in government that support airstrikes with collateral damage would feel the direct consequences of that support, but I'm not going to get a visit from the FBI because I'm not threatening to do it myself (nor do I have the resources). Wishing for something to happen != a direct threat.
 
Butting in and stepping in are two completely different things. I'm not talking about invading countries on false premises and nation-building. I'm talking about intervening when people are being slaughtered. I think we should help in Syria. I thought we should help in Libya. I don't like the idea of consoling myself by pretending the rest of the world can handle every problem they face on their own. When they ASK for help, when people are begging for help, we should help. If we're smart about what we're doing, we can make progress at home and achieve military successes abroad( as we've already done). We can walk and chew gum at the same time when we feel like it.

If the world really does want America to be the world's police man, they can foot the bill. I have a feeling they don't and we can't afford it anymore. We certainly would not want anyone "helping" us they way we intervene in other countries. I have to give Obama credit for not having a single US casualty with the Libya operation. However, our foreign policy almost never goes that well. Instead, war profiteers purposely get us into conflicts like WWI, Vietnam, Korea, Iraq, and Afghanistan where there is no clear cut objective, and no good reason to be there.

Then there's the horrible policies we do like starving 500,000 children in Iraq in the 90s when our puppet dictators don't do what we want. At this point, I can't see why we would keep meddling in other countries. Our soldiers also come home wounded or dead and the feds don't do anything for them or their families, despite their moral and legal obligation. Then we leave other countries in ruins. People love to say, "but what if someone like Hitler appears!" knowing full well that doesn't make any sense right now. Moreover, if someone as bad as Hitler appears, North America and Europe are going to move against him.

Now in the case of mass killings in events like Rwanda, the Clinton administration knew full well what was happening. So did a lot of people elsewhere in the world. The US also knew millions were getting killed after WW2 in the Soviet Union and China. And didn't do anything, along with the world. Darfur was also well known, but I don't understand why America had to be there. African countries could have formed a coalition to stop the killings. I just don't understand why America is expected to send its young men to get killed constantly. I think a serious UN security force would be better with two million members from hundreds of countries , instead of just America.
 
They're obviously targeting someone important at the funerals. The government doesn't just see a funeral, laugh, and spend a couple million to shoot a missile at it. No doubt that there are going to be other HVT's at the funeral of some AQ member. As long as the operational gain reasonably compares to the civilian loss and civilians aren't the specific target then there is no problem. For some reason people think that these are police actions and not military operations. They aren't going to roll up in a black and white, slap the cuffs on them and read rights, if anyone bears arms or provides aid and comfort they can and should be killed. American soldiers put themselves to the hazard by wearing a uniform and carrying their weapons in the open, if the enemy chooses not to and consistently uses woman or children as shields and puts them into harm's way then it is their own fault for those deaths.

So, what's it like to be a total fucking tool?
 
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