Skellig Gra
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I think you are being incredibly optimistic about the roll out of this thing.
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U.S. Senate panel puts self-driving cars in fast lane
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hipbabboom
Huh? What did I say? Did I screw up again? :(
Don't do this! The sooner we let trucks drive themselves, the sooner we can
gutterboy44
Member
I understand it is ahead of us, that is why I said I am happy they are getting this moving faster, sooner than later. Each step is important and I hope to see progress in my lifetime. It has the potential to save tens of thousands of lives a year. Outside of the medical world, it is crazy to see such a massive public health initiative.
entremet
Member
Oh definitely. But since these will have built in analytics, the data will be there.
AstroNut325
Member
Not a chance. We're getting level 5 autonomous cars next year or the year after. Most people hate commuting. They'll drop their commuter cars for a autonomous one the first chance they get.
We're probably 1 decade out from mass adoption. And that's worse case.
We'll see
Currently there are rumors of Waymo(google) launching a preliminary service on Phoenix in the following months, and GM doing in the next quarters.
Fenderputty
Banned
I feel like consumption of streaming porn will greatly increase when this reality finally comes to fruition.
Like I said, a human driver will look towards self-preservation provided it's not such a quick decision that the mind reacts instinctively and has time to process the options.
For example, you're traveling down a road and a deer or child darts out from the side of the road You can swerve to avoid the deer/child, but that would entail crashing into a large tree/wall on the other wide, likely killing you.
How does an AI car currently perform this calculus? What are its prime considerations?
plagiarize
Banned
It will favor the driver's safety in most cases.
Lord_Byron28
Member
To be honest, I'm more concerned that people will learn how to hack self driving cars more easily. I'm not familiar enough with this stuff but I'm more worried that someone could hack another person's car and take control of their vehicle. Or someone spreading a virus through vehicles. As I said, I'm not very knowledgeable on this subject but if self driving cars could be hacked. Then I could see it being a new favorite weapon for terrorists.
Also would this significantly effect the jobs market? Truck drivers, delivery drivers, Cabs, Uber, etc. I imagine a lot of those jobs will get hit hard especially Cabs, Uber, Lyft, etc.
Not to be a debbie downer as I'd be the first person in line to get a self driving car. However, the effects would be significant and not to be taken lightly either.
Also would this significantly effect the jobs market? Truck drivers, delivery drivers, Cabs, Uber, etc. I imagine a lot of those jobs will get hit hard especially Cabs, Uber, Lyft, etc.
Not to be a debbie downer as I'd be the first person in line to get a self driving car. However, the effects would be significant and not to be taken lightly either.
KernelPanic
Member
Hacking a car remotely was done years ago. Chrysler had to issue a recall:
https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.wir...rn-high-speed-steering-acceleration-hacks/amp
And yeah self driving cars are going to put a lot of people out of work. More unemployed people who can blame immigrants.
entremet
Member
Dont forget we get tired, drunk, our reflexes age, drowsy, limited field of vision, and on and on.
sssstententen
Member
One of the few times I'm glad for corporate interests in Washington.
Driverless cars is the future and will save thousands of lives, and no more need for freight drivers/truck drivers to waste their health and careers on staring at roads for ridiculous hours. Commuting can turn into actual productive time (take a nap, read/work/produce/consume/etc). Travel times will decrease, which will decrease costs, vehicle wear, road wear, etc. Might even cut down on sex trafficing with less human elements involved.
Humans cant get out of the driver seat any faster
Driverless cars is the future and will save thousands of lives, and no more need for freight drivers/truck drivers to waste their health and careers on staring at roads for ridiculous hours. Commuting can turn into actual productive time (take a nap, read/work/produce/consume/etc). Travel times will decrease, which will decrease costs, vehicle wear, road wear, etc. Might even cut down on sex trafficing with less human elements involved.
Humans cant get out of the driver seat any faster
CrunchyFrog
Member
I'm all for self driving cars, but I don't understand people insisting on there be no way to manual override. If I'm inside a fast moving vehicle I don't care how good the ai is I want the ability to take over if I need to in case of malfunction.
I would think any serious attempts at self driving cars will have closed internal network, partly because reaching to the outside is going to have too much latency to help anyway.
Part of the reason cars have been somewhat hackable to this point is that cars use a form of networking called a CAN Bus which was designed to be cheap as possible. Notably, it does not support encryption, you can do it with what amounts to a software hack, but you can still MITM it fairly easily.
NoMoreTrolls
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I'm worried about what unemployment will look like in the years when self driving cars begin to replace truck drivers. Truck driving is the single largest employer of men in most large (area) states in the US, including Texas and California. While I personally welcome the self driving future so I can sleep through my commute, I can't imagine the negative economic impact it is going to have for many people.
Theoretically, at some point in the future, people won't even learn how to drive and the cars won't have steering wheels.
demosthenes
Member
Lol, no.
Tezzeractor
Member
I think so, but it's not an uncommon belief. I've met and discussed self driving cars with a lot of people. They typically stop reading at the headlines of self driving accidents.
As good a place as an to bring it up but I remember a couple months ago reading here on Gaf about a "glitch" where self driving cars will read a street sign wrong if tape is placed on certain spots. I don't think this will be much of a problem because hell if early self driving cars will still not have someone with hands on 10 and 2 at all times but I'm just curious if any progress on that front has been worked out at all.
I can say I have faith in the technology to work as it should for the most part and be an overall gain for the roads but I also fear the ways people can fuck with it. Imagine the payout if you can manipulate a self driving car into hitting you. Ugh.
I can say I have faith in the technology to work as it should for the most part and be an overall gain for the roads but I also fear the ways people can fuck with it. Imagine the payout if you can manipulate a self driving car into hitting you. Ugh.
Isaac Otherworld
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Self driving cars are already better drivers than humans. Right now.
Forget about even nefarious stuff like that - what about when ice/snow cover or partially obscure traffic signs or road markings? Will construction cones be recognized? What if a few consecutive ones have been previously knocked over, leaving an opening - does the AI recognize that it shouldn't shift into that lane? There are myriad issues, and in my opinion these problems won't be solved for at least a decade.
America sure as shit will try because loljobs.
Trucks were omitted from this adoption, the one thing you'd expect and want to see taken away first.
ScottSullivan
Member
I don't know why people think this is a thing that will happen in 5-10 years. What about snow? What about places with bad cell connections? What about about rain, and cost, and people that just want to drive? Not to mention most of them you still have to be behind the wheel "just in case"
Of course it's the future eventually, but everyone saying this is coming up right away is fooling themselves
Of course it's the future eventually, but everyone saying this is coming up right away is fooling themselves
Those people can fuck off. It's that simple. Next to smoking, driving produces some of the largest body counts of preventable deaths human beings produce. If the technology is safer, to hell with "muh freedom" to drive.
Besides, they'll eventually be priced into adoption with lower costs via car insurance to driverless cars as they get normalized. Companies can already price driverless trucks at lower costs than the starting salary for drivers, so this is something that will totally explode in the coming years. This overlaps with the fact those damn Millennials don't buy cars, but that's more on the curation of a precariat class, which happens to make it a quick generational adoption to something like this.
The people holding resistance to it are stone aged, in a sense. Holding onto nostalgia and "freedom" which, like the comparison made to guns earlier, just shows a level of pigshittedness in holding onto ways that when looked at in a macro scale are more negative than positive, more destructive than liberating.
Driverless cars will be normalized in the 2020s, for sure. The only way it doesn't is if America pulls an America and resists the fact we're in the 21st century, not trying to find a clock to bring us back to the 20th.
Acerac
Banned
True, but that won't stop people from believing nonsense.
Facts are much less powerful than emotions.
Supporters for forms of UBI are, certainly. We see it coming.
But the real issue with Self Driving is people seem to think it will find resistance like Guns in the U.S. but they are wrong. Self driving trucks will make the corporations that adopt them billions in profits over human drivers, and the Republicans are going to be all over supporting that, and the Dems will support it for the safety reasons.
The parts of America that will kick and scream over it will be ignored by their representatives as this is pushed live as soon as its ready. Those people that will be out of work had better start voting for UBI. Because once those jobs go, they aren't coming back.
I truly believe trucks were only omitted for now because they arent ready. Google and others have hundreds of thousands of self driven miles of testing in things from cars to SUV's but I know of no such extensive testing with 18 wheelers with real heavy cargo yet. But it will come after cars and SUVs, and notice the article says even some Republicans were in favor.
Nah, there was a lobbying group for truckers that was the reason the House omitted them. The name of the group escapes me, at present.
It had nothing to do with the technology but the jobs cult clinginess that will eventually prove futile, which this technology will get around: unions are known to historically lose the endgame to these types of paradigm shifts.
Them being ready is secondary. It was lobbyists that got them off the table at this stage.
Jeffolation
Banned
Jesus Christ I can't wait to never operate another motor vehicle ever again. Even if the tech kills me I want my funeral to specifically mention that I died not driving therefore it's all good don't even feel sad, straight up.
Maedre
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NoMoreTrolls
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A stunning lack of empathy for 4.4 million unskilled workers that would have no real options for future employment beyond driving in the US.
but driving is fun
Lots of things that are fun are restricted in some way because they're dangerous. Weaponry, drugs, etc.
By the time we can no longer drive we'll have all sorts of wild VR stimulation to replace it. And also sweet cyberpunk drugs named Scratch, Drag, or Hypo!
Jeffolation
Banned
but driving is fun
Just had my brakes done and then a bearing went. Almost had someone plow into me the other day because they were fucking around with whatever. I remember back in August taking an Uber to an airport in Toronto and looking at the cement hellfuck nightmare that commute was.
The boys taking the quads out to hunt moose, I get the enjoyment factor there. When I gotta drive four hours to and from apt. to work, I'd rather have my teeth kicked all in.
Tezzeractor
Member
but driving is fun
Even if your own driving experience isn't like that, I feel that it's putting one's own enjoyment above the safety of others.
But then I start to think that I'm putting the lives of those killed in auto accidents on a scale against those who's lives are dependent on a transportation jobs.
And that's too much for me to handle.
I think most people with self driving cars wont use the feature 90% of the time. Theyll turn it off as soon as they find out that everyone will pass them by because theyre stuck doing the speed limit and no one lets them through in agressive bumper to bumper traffic.
Who cares? More time to watch TV or catch up on emails.
but driving is fun
Shooting people is probably fun too but that doesn't mean it should be legal
Dirtyshubb
Member
All this will do is speed up restrictions on manual driven cars and speed up the adoption of self driving cars.
The Chosen One
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The Chosen One
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Btw, the best thing about driver-less cars will be the extinction of the DMV.
It's not a lack of empathy. I acknowledge we are about to face a paradigm shift that involves our social body to be bleeding profusely.
Let us not be children and assume band-aids are going to stop arterial tears.
I have long argued that the problem of the future is the imposition on the "necessity" to jobs. To say I lack empathy when we need to face the problem directly, to not sugar coat it, shows a profound lack of where I stand, and I'm rather prevalent in topics on matters like this.
I'm not here saying to automate the jobs and for them to go to hell. Our goal should be to automate the fuck out of jobs and ask ourselves why is this a transformation of suffering and difficulty instead of positive transformation. We hold ideas that are the problem here, for it's not the change that's of issue.
A real lack of empathy is to say our goal should always be full employment. It normalizes precarious jobs, zero-hour contracts, and "work as dignity" which is almost always propaganda for people to assimilate to the filth they're given, because "any job is better than no job." What a load of bullshit. Even worse are the liars, both on the left and the right, who believe in the infinite job tree when we're talking about technology that is by and large aiming to supercede human capabilities, not be an extensionality to it.
The very culture we live in that demands jobs as survival value is really the space that lacks empathy. I hope you can see this.