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[diffusionx]

Bottom line is that ubisoft singapore needs to be shut down. They are incompetent. The working environment is horrible, and the execs over there are more interested in using the company $$$ for vacations and partying than making a good game. It has been documented. If the same people are working on the rumoured AC4 black flag remake, it gives me less hope that it will be good.

Don't they have caning for this type of behavior

 

[violence]

The Covid spending was outrageous

 

[MMaRsu]

Is the new trend to throw out some bullshit megabomb budget number for clickbait?

You think a game that was in development for 11 years was cheap?

 

[Von Hugh]

They told us it was AAAA, but you wouldn't believe them.

AAAA in only cost.

 

[MMaRsu]

This game was announced at E3 wasn't it? Always a red flag imo....

E3 was bad in that it created hype pressure on publishers to show something new even if was probably just thrown together.

For example I believe Metroid 4 was announced at the same E3(2017) as this game...

What the fuck is this nonsense I'm reading???

 

[GoldenEye98]

What the fuck is this nonsense I'm reading???

E3 hype cycle often distorted expectations in the game industry. I don't think this is a crazy statement to make.

 

[Jaybe]

Wasn’t the Singapore government subsidizing most or all of it? I guess they wanted to be a destination for gaming development, so much for that plan

 

[Randall365]

People shit in Ubi they are top drawer at making AAAAA! games.

 

[lughnasadh123]

You think a game that was in development for 11 years was cheap?

No and that's the point. We can discuss these flops on the merits of their actual budgets which are indeed quite high without needing the sensationalism of puffing them up.

 

[Draugoth]

So Money Laudring, seems fitting giving the game they made

 

[Solarstrike]

End times 100%.

 

[Sentenza]

E3 hype cycle often distorted expectations in the game industry. I don't think this is a crazy statement to make.

I wouldn't say it's "crazy", but I do think it's just wrong.

That "pressure to show something that excited the public" was very healthy, as it applied a constant reality check on these companies and let them know in no uncertain terms when they had to something that people were genuinely thrilled about and when not.
It doesn't look like moving away from that "toxic hype cycle" did the industry any favor in the last few years, does it?

 

[proandrad]

Impossible everyone knows only good games cost a lot. Elden Ring had a $900 million dollar budget.

 

[RPCGamer]

Exactly. Let's not spend 20 million on a new Rayman, not enough money in that. Let's instead spend 800 million on something that could sink the company if it fails.

Every single person at the top making these decisions should be fired.

It's like watching a gambler as they think the next game will hit the jackpot. I'm not saying the smaller projects would 100% hit profit, but say one or two broke even or maybe one of them saw potential growth in the audience with a sequel etc. They could have hit the next big series for them.

Tripple A? Pffttt this is AAAA

That's the sound they made when they saw it flop.

 

[reinking]

They could have made this so easy, quickly and cheap if they had just made the game that everybody wanted.

 

[diffusionx]

No and that's the point. We can discuss these flops on the merits of their actual budgets which are indeed quite high without needing the sensationalism of puffing them up.

What is "indeed quite high" to you?

$200 million is normal right now.

It's like watching a gambler as they think the next game will hit the jackpot. I'm not saying the smaller projects would 100% hit profit, but say one or two broke even or maybe one of them saw potential growth in the audience with a sequel etc. They could have hit the next big series for them.


That's the sound they made when they saw it flop.

Game industry kind of went insane in the 2015-2022 timeframe. It grew massively as live service shit exploded, including on mobile. The PS4 was much more successful than the PS3 and 360 and had facilities for that type of game that those older systems did not as much. The amount of money flowing in was crazy and studios responded in kind. Then after 2020 there was this artificial bump in demand and salaries going up. So the whole situation is now in the process of being corrected.

We will look back on this gaashit live service thing like the post-WOW gold rush times 100.

 

[CompleteGlobalSaturation]

That's absolute fucking insanity.

 

[Evil Calvin]

How many GAAS need to fail before they go back to making great single player games? It’s ok to add a MP mode. Blame the execs and shareholders for seeing the $$$$$ promised and raising expectations.

I mean....how often do you hear a publisher say 'it didn't meet our expectations!' ?

 

[Complistic]

Ubisoft, LOL x26

 

[firegamer273]

so you are telling me 3 assassin creed game budgets for 1 game? ubisoft is cooked .

 

[Branded]

Skull and Bones Allegedly Cost Ubisoft $650 to $850 Million

The losses from Ubisoft's AAAA game are said to be the main reason for the studio's downfall, not Outlaws and Shadows.

80.lv

I can't find the words to comment.

Because it's not true.

 

[adamsapple]

We've already had and closed this thread once.

It's unreliable because the same video makes comments like Yasuke being removed from the game, which is not happening.

[RUMOR] Assassin's Creed Shadows Insider EXPOSES Ubisoft + Yasuke ERASED Company BANKRUPT

!Mods please delete this thread if another's already been created! From the video description: An Ubisoft insider has spoken to me & has spilled the secrets on Ubisoft, Assassin's Creed Shadows, Star Wars Outlaws, Skull & Bones, The Division AND even Ghost of Yotei somehow?! Let's dive in...

www.neogaf.com

 

[lughnasadh123]

What is "indeed quite high" to you?

$200 million is normal right now.

It's weird world to me where anyone wouldn't consider a game budget of 200+ million "quite high" regardless of how common that is now. I guess that's why people need to inflate the numbers to make the gossip extra juicy.

 

[NickFire]

So Money Laudring, seems fitting giving the game they made

Sure. Washing all the ink right off the dollars in their bank. Bleaching it up real good so the moneys worthless.

 

[Tertullian]

And to think, all they had to do was make a non-Assassin's Creed branded open world pirate RPG from the beginning. You know, the thing that huge swaths of people obviously wanted, and that would have no direct competition because (bafflingly) no one else is doing it either?

 

[Ribi]

Star citizen redeemed

 

[FalsettoVibe]

Not clicking.....What the heck is 80.lv ?

 

[MMaRsu]

E3 hype cycle often distorted expectations in the game industry. I don't think this is a crazy statement to make.

Just because a game is announced at E3 literally has nothing to say about the eventual quality of said game.

Your statement is dumb.

 

[adamsapple]

Not clicking.....What the heck is 80.lv ?

The website is fine, their 'source' is a random youtuber who made some pretty outlandish and false claims, the thread was already made on GAF once but quickly closed.

 

[Kacho]

The website is fine, their 'source' is a random youtuber who made some pretty outlandish and false claims, the thread was already made on GAF once but quickly closed.

Was it that alt right Jim sterling with the steam punk mask?

Edit: no, the guy I’m talking about put out the rumor about Veilguard preorders being bad

 

[Trogdor1123]

Is that even possible? The game had pretty limited marketing from what I remember. Surely they would have poured several hundred million into marketing if it cost that much? It is Ubisoft though…

 

[dragonyeuw]

It's like watching a gambler as they think the next game will hit the jackpot. I'm not saying the smaller projects would 100% hit profit, but say one or two broke even or maybe one of them saw potential growth in the audience with a sequel etc. They could have hit the next big series for them.

My thing is, even if something like the aforementioned Rayman doesn't sell gangbusters, it's not going to sink the company. They're trying to swing for the fences which is far riskier with the financial numbers being reported.

Everyone wants to make the next fortnite but its not like that games success was guaranteed either. Some things just happen to land in ways that can't be predicted and are one-offs. Not that I'm a fan of GAAS but I'm not sure why didn't just try it with Assassin's Creed. At the least its a recognizable IP and really how much further can they push the current formula?

 

[GoldenEye98]

I wouldn't say it's "crazy", but I do think it's just wrong.

That "pressure to show something that excited the public" was very healthy, as it applied a constant reality check on these companies and let them know in no uncertain terms when they had to something that people were genuinely thrilled about and when not.
It doesn't look like moving away from that "toxic hype cycle" did the industry any favor in the last few years, does it?

I disagree. Showing some hype game concept at E3 is what radically distorted expectations for everyone as cool concept does not equal good game nor did set realistic expectations on dev timelines.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

but Concord Hurst more.

 

[xcalibersa]

Thats many first class flights between France and Singapore

 

[genesisblock]

I found another article which may lead credence to that number. Note that this is 2021 which reportedly costs $120 million which in 3 years and inflation may actually hit 650 or above.

Skull And Bones Still In Development Hell Because Of Singapore Government

“Nobody knew what the fuck they were doing,” said an ex-developer.

www.thegamer.com

 

[Bartski]

did you look up the source this article is quoting?

 

[cireza]

Fuck yeah, let's put even more money in the next game !

 

[Chechack]

Just like concord definately cost more than 400mio

People forget that all those yoga classes,baking classes,self inflicted trauma health specialist/psychiatrist cost addup for all that

 

[RPCGamer]

Fuck yeah, let's put even more money in the next game !

"Just one more go. More one go on the slots and I'll win the jackpot! Honest!"

 

[adamsapple]

Was it that alt right Jim sterling with the steam punk mask?

Edit: no, the guy I’m talking about put out the rumor about Veilguard preorders being bad

I'm not sure, I don't follow any of these youtube channels

 

[saintjules]

What happened to reuse the naval parts of Black Flag to make a game arggh...

FTFY. Missed opportunity.

 

[MMaRsu]

I disagree. Showing some hype game concept at E3 is what radically distorted expectations for everyone as cool concept does not equal good game nor did set realistic expectations on dev timelines.

Nor did showing a game at E3 equal bad game or good game.

 

[DeepEnigma]

I'm starting not to believe these numbers. Sounds like we're being gaslit for when they want to contract the industry.

 

[StereoVsn]

Skull and Bones Allegedly Cost Ubisoft $650 to $850 Million

The losses from Ubisoft's AAAA game are said to be the main reason for the studio's downfall, not Outlaws and Shadows.

80.lv

I can't find the words to comment.

And we all thought Concord’s $400mil was bad.

Ubisoft to Sony - hold my glass of fine red wine!

 

[gatti-man]

If that’s true every single manager attached to that game should be fired. Unbelievable I can’t even see where 1/4 of that money went.

 

[Dorago]

This is what government subsidy does to both the budget and quality of a game.

Compare with subsidized medical care, education, housing, broadband infrastructure, etc and you see the trend.

 

[Sentenza]

I'm starting not to believe these numbers. Sounds like we're being gaslit for when they want to contract the industry.

At some point one is left with only two sensible explanations: it's either a money laundry scheme or mismanagement and gross incompetence of the highest order across the board of the entire studio that worked on it.

 

[proandrad]

This is what government subsidy does to both the budget and quality of a game.

Compare with subsidized medical care, education, housing, broadband infrastructure, etc and you see the trend.

Like Curt Schilling failed studio, that used up $150million from the state of Rhode Island to put out a game that looked like it cost 1/5 of that during the 360 era. Studios are probably filled with $2000 Herman miller chairs, meditation rooms, and other nonsense.

 

[diffusionx]

Like Curt Schilling failed studio, that used up $150million from the state of Rhode Island to put out a game that looked like it cost 1/5 of that during the 360 era. Studios are probably filled with $2000 Herman miller chairs, meditation rooms, and other nonsense.

No, the money from Rhode Island was for the MMO that never came out.

The game that came out was basically a rebranded and reworked game in development from another studio.