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UFC 124 |OT| Thread of motorboating GSP's ass

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Blackface

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BigKaboom2 said:
I never saw any hooks off of jabs, and almost all of his leg kicks either whiffed or were checked. 95% of his offense was single shot jabs. It's not hard to fight a perfect fight when your opponent is a wrestler who has decided not to wrestle and who has no idea how to properly protect his head.

How is GSP vs. Shields not a worthwhile fight? Shields has won FIFTEEN straight with eight finishes, including decisions over Okami, Condit, and Henderson. What the hell does he have to do?

WTFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF are you talking about. His leg kicks whiffed? You didn't see hooks off jabs?

You didn't watch the fight.

This post is banworthy.
 

RBH

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Blackface said:
You just saw one of the most technical displays of striking in MMA and you are complaining?

Do you also watch backyard wrestling while drinking a Bud Light in your trailer?
:lol
 
Not a great main event, but overall a decent card. GSP will likely get a lot less criticism for this fight than Anderson with the Thales Leites fight despite Leites being the one to instigate a lot of the inactivity.

I was impressed by Koscheck's wrestling (before he started to run forward wildly.) Hard to say considering the lack of it, but he might have had an edge over GSP. He definitely had more control when he was ontop compared to when GSP was.
 
Why is the "reason" for GSP not finishing any fights anymore is because he is so awesome. The guy is simply the very best at welterweight, destroy these clowns and go have a Moosehead.
 

smurfx

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dream said:
GSP is great but let's not pretend he's more than a point fighter at this stage of his career.
that damn matt sera knocked the fun right out of gsp.

Blackface said:
You just saw one of the most technical displays of striking in MMA and you are complaining?

Do you also watch backyard wrestling while drinking a Bud Light in your trailer?
when i want to see technical fights i'll watch boxing. boxing fights won by jabbing aren't fun and neither is mma fights.
 
BobTheFork said:
Somehow Floyd Mayweather has been getting by that way for a decade.
I was waiting for this. Mayweather has knocked out plenty of his opponents and frequently opens up, at least monetarily, did you not see him hold his ground and stand toe to toe with Mosely? Or swamp him in 11th round? GSP had an even more dominant performance against a less dangerous fighter and did nothing at all but jab. If your name isn't Liston you aren't trying to finish a fight with a jab.

GSP is even MORE conservative than Mayweather.
 
BigKaboom2 said:
I never saw any hooks off of jabs, and almost all of his leg kicks either whiffed or were checked. 95% of his offense was single shot jabs. It's not hard to fight a perfect fight when your opponent is a wrestler who has decided not to wrestle and who has no idea how to properly protect his head.

How is GSP vs. Shields not a worthwhile fight? Shields has won FIFTEEN straight with eight finishes, including decisions over Okami, Condit, and Henderson. What the hell does he have to do?


Wrong. He would jab and then follow with a left hook. It was quick and looked like he was jabbing again. His kicks where landing and destroyed Kos' leg. Look at the whelt about his knee in the fourth.
 

yacobod

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Nameless said:
With that said, the reactionary talking point will be that GSP is the best pound for pound. False. That's still Spider's crown and I don't think Dana will have a choice but to settle it for real AFTER Spider murders Belfort.

i don't know, i'm a pretty vocal critic of gsp, but he's been more dominant over a much better weight class than anderson has imo, but anderson is also undefeated inside the ufc where as gsp has 2 blemishes on his record. it's an interesting argument for sure, and i'd love to see them fight.

185 is probably the worst weight class in the ufc from a talent perspective.
 

Blackface

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The people who complain about all fights not finishing in some stupid knock out or submission are the same people who watch nascar for accidents, football for injuries, hockey for fights and basketball for dunking.

You aren't a fan of MMA. Go watch some Kimbo youtube clips.
 

dream

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smurfx said:
that damn matt sera knocked the fun right out of gsp.

when i want to see technical fights i'll watch boxing. boxing fights won by jabbing aren't fun and neither is mma fights.

THIS. The rules of boxing forces fighters to use that Lennox Lewis style to be successful. There are so many ways to win in MMA and GSP has shown that he's excellent at all of them. That's what makes his fights so frustrating.
 

Blackface

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BamYouHaveAids said:
I was waiting for this. Mayweather has knocked out plenty of his opponents and frequently opens up, at least monetarily, did you not see him hold his ground and stand toe to toe with Mosely? Or swamp him in 11th round? GSP had an even more dominant performance against a less dangerous fighter and did nothing at all but jab. If your name isn't Liston you aren't trying to finish a fight with a jab.

GSP is even MORE conservative than Mayweather.

Mosley was a scrub when Mayweather fought him, Mayweather ducks top opponents until they are in the twilight of their career, and 99 percent of the time only finish's scrubs.

Making BJ quit > any knockout Floyd has ever had.
 

smurfx

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Blackface said:
The people who complain about all fights not finishing in some stupid knock out or submission are the same people who watch nascar for accidents, football for injuries, hockey for fights and basketball for dunking.

You aren't a fan of MMA. Go watch some Kimbo youtube clips.
shouldn't all fighters go for the finish? not just to show how superior they are but to make their fights enjoyable to the fans? a fighter shouldn't go into a fight looking for a decision.
 
Blackface said:
The people who complain about all fights not finishing in some stupid knock out or submission are the same people who watch nascar for accidents, football for injuries, hockey for fights and basketball for dunking.

You aren't a fan of MMA. Go watch some Kimbo youtube clips.
Will do, Sensei. Teach me you hidden far east secret fighting techniques blackface-sama.

Blackface said:
Mosley was a scrub when Mayweather fought him, Mayweather ducks top opponents until they are in the twilight of their career, and 99 percent of the time only finish's scrubs.

Making BJ quit > any knockout Floyd has ever had.
That scrub tooled the guy who gave Paquiao the toughest fight in years, and destroyed him much more impressively... Also, Mosley was the one who turned down the fight with Mayweather first because he didn't have enough name recognition and when the shoe was on other foot Mayweather did the same, you knowledgeable little ferret.
 

dream

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I wonder how Blackface feels about the Cole Konrads and Gray Maynards of the world.

"Just win, baby"
 

Blackface

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smurfx said:
shouldn't all fighters go for the finish? not just to show how superior they are but to make their fights enjoyable to the fans? a fighter shouldn't go into a fight looking for a decision.

Nobody goes in looking for a decisions, but taking stupid risks just to finish a fight you are dominating is the number 1 rule in the scrub fighter hand-book. If an opportunity presents itself, then go for it, if not, keep dominating.

You don't take risks with fights you are handily winning. You just don't do it. It makes no sense. Think about it.
 

yacobod

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dream said:
I wonder how Blackface feels about the Cole Konrads and Gray Maynards of the world.

"Just win, baby"


ya he probably rails against the pray maynard's and jon fitch's of the world
 
yacobod said:
i don't know, i'm a pretty vocal critic of gsp, but he's been more dominant over a much better weight class than anderson has imo, but anderson is also undefeated inside the ufc where as gsp has 2 blemishes on his record. it's an interesting argument for sure, and i'd love to see them fight.

185 is probably the worst weight class in the ufc from a talent perspective.
To say 185 is the worst class is ridiculous. Especially when you have divisions like the Heavyweight division. If Sherdog and other MMA forums are anything to go by, I think it is more that a lot of people just don't pay attention to the division as much. It may not be has talent-heavy a divison as 155, but it is far from the worst.

As far as "greatest fighter" arguments are concerned with regards to GSP and Silva, people seem to ignore Silva's accomplishments at 170 and 205. He's been ranked (or beaten people who were ranked) top 5 over 3 divisions. Multi-division accomplishments are one of the major points of pound-for-pound arguments.
 
smurfx said:
shouldn't all fighters go for the finish? not just to show how superior they are but to make their fights enjoyable to the fans? a fighter shouldn't go into a fight looking for a decision.

It's Mixed Martial Art. Not fighters finishing league.
 

RiccochetJ

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Blackface said:
The people who complain about all fights not finishing in some stupid knock out or submission are the same people who watch nascar for accidents, football for injuries, hockey for fights and basketball for dunking.

You aren't a fan of MMA. Go watch some Kimbo youtube clips.

To be fair though, I do want to see GSP finish a fight. He hasn't in a while. Do I care if he doesn't? No. As long as he keeps on putting on these clinics, I'm more than happy. It would be nice though to see him knock out or submit a guy. He was so close the last fight.
 

smurfx

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CaptYamato said:
It's Mixed Martial Art. Not fighters finishing league.
not saying all fighters should throw caution to the wind and always go for the finish but if the opportunity is there then they should take it and not sit back and go for the decision.
 
Well congrats to GSP, and I'll watch Shields vs GSP, but I'm already expecting a real, real boring fight.

EviLore said:
Rashad Evans vs Thiago Silva

And against Rampage, I'm guessing that'll be his gameplan in his title fight as well.
 

Blackface

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Unidentified said:
To say 185 is the worst class is ridiculous. Especially when you have divisions like the Heavyweight division. If Sherdog and other MMA forums are anything to go by, I think it is more that a lot of people just don't pay attention to the division as much. It may not be has talent-heavy a divison as 155, but it is far from the worst.

As far as "greatest fighter" arguments are concerned with regards to GSP and Silva, people seem to ignore Silva's accomplishments at 170 and 205. He's been ranked top 5 over 3 divisions. Multi-division accomplishments are one of the major points of pound-for-pound arguments.

No they aren't. Multi-division accomplishments have nothing to do with P4P. The P4P ranking was created for Sugar Ray Robinson to fully express how much better he was then everyone else at boxing. Since there were divisions he would never enter. And this is boxing, where division hopping is easy since there are so many weight classes.

The fact is, GSP is 5 foot 10 and doesn't cut a ton of weight. He is the model size of a WW. Anderson is the size of a LHW and can cut down to MW. GSP has no more fat to lose to cut down, and would be at a massive weight, and height disadvantage at MW.

That said, GSP could probably dominate the MW division easily. Honestly, after watching what Sonnen did to Anderson, I think he would easily handil Anderson as well.
 
Blackface said:
You just saw one of the most technical displays of striking in MMA and you are complaining?

Do you also watch backyard wrestling while drinking a Bud Light in your trailer?

No I didn't. I saw a guy ride two techniques against an outclassed opponent with a single weapon to a decision victory, even after he blinded the guy early. I've been watching MMA for almost 20 years now, and that's not even close to one of the best displays of striking I've seen. Fuck, I can point to at least a half-dozen Igor Vovchanchyn fights that were way more technical than that...and that's just Igor Vovchanchyn alone.
 
Blackface said:
Nobody goes in looking for a decisions, but taking stupid risks just to finish a fight you are dominating is the number 1 rule in the scrub fighter hand-book. If an opportunity presents itself, then go for it, if not, keep dominating.

You don't take risks with fights you are handily winning. You just don't do it. It makes no sense. Think about it.


I boxed for a few years and one thing all of us were taught was you have someone blinded on one side, you finish him because one punch and you could still lose the fight. Thats the first thing in the scrub fighters handbook is to let some guy hang around so he can knock your ass out on a lucky swing or a nice combination.
 
akachan ningen said:
this was koscheck's game plan:
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Literally
 
Pristine_Condition said:
No I didn't. I saw a guy ride two techniques against an outclassed opponent with a single weapon to a decision victory, even after he blinded the guy early. I've been watching MMA for almost 20 years now, and that's not even close to one of the best displays of striking I've seen. Fuck, I can point to probably a half dozen Igor Vovchanchyn fights that were way more technical than that...and that's just Igor Vovchanchyn.
Igor? Never heard of the guy how long has he been fighting UFC?

Blackface said:
It's a sport you watch for entertainment. If you don't find the sport entertaining, don't fucking watch it.
You sure do like handing down mandates. I find the sport exciting, just not GSP? U mad?
 

yacobod

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Blackface said:
That said, GSP could probably dominate the MW division easily. Honestly, after watching what Sonnen did to Anderson, I think he would easily handil Anderson as well.

would be fun to see sonnen wrestlefuck gsp too
 
Blackface said:
You just saw one of the most technical displays of striking in MMA and you are complaining?

Do you also watch backyard wrestling while drinking a Bud Light in your trailer?
Shogun/Machida 1 says hi.

Just saying.
 

dream

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BamYouHaveAids said:
Igor? Never heard of the guy how long has he been fighting UFC?

:lol

+1

Shit, now that I think about it, I've seen Akira Shoji fights with a wider variety of strikes than GSP/Kos.
 

nbraun80

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smurfx said:
not saying all fighters should throw caution to the wind and always go for the finish but if the opportunity is there then they should take it and not sit back and go for the decision.
Well the opportunity wasn't really there. Yes his eye was swollen, but he wasn't rocked at all during the fight, and his right hook can still be devastating if landed... Also GSP didn't sit back, he was always pressing, and comboing...
 
Blackface said:
It's a sport you watch for entertainment. If you don't find the sport entertaining, don't fucking watch it.

I find the sport entertaining. I have found GSP entertaining in the past. That fight was not entertaining. There was lots of entertainment on the card, but the Main Event sucked, because GSP is too timid to risk anything, even when his opponent can't see for four rounds, and can't move around the ring for two and a half.
 

Blackface

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sooperkool said:
I boxed for a few years and one thing all of us were taught was you have someone blinded on one side, you finish him because one punch and you could still lose the fight. Thats the first thing in the scrub fighters handbook is to let some guy hang around so he can knock your ass out on a lucky swing or a nice combination.

A) This isn't boxing. There are takedowns. Start taking stupid wild shots and you will end up on your ass.

B) You didn't box. In boxing they don't tell you to try and finish a guy if his eye is closed. They say continue punishing him and finish him when an opportunity presents it self.

In no combat sport are you ever told to just rush in and try to finish a guy who has some swelling on his eye. Only when he is wobbly and clearly ready to be finished.

Explaining this to people is like going back intime to sherdog half a decade ago.
 

dream

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Blackface said:
In no combat sport are you ever told to just rush in and try to finish a guy who has some swelling on his eye. Only when he is wobbly and clearly ready to be finished.

Right. And you get him wobbly by using a jab to set up combos.

GSP used his jab to set up...more jabs.
 

RiccochetJ

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BamYouHaveAids said:
Igor? Never heard of the guy how long has he been fighting UFC?

You sure do like handing down mandates. I find the sport exciting, just not GSP? U mad?
Errr, the UFC isn't the only game in town. There are plenty of world class fighters out there who don't agree with the UFC business plan and therefore don't sign with them. Expand your horizons.
 

Blackface

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dream said:
Right. And you get him wobbly by using a jab to set up combos.

GSP used his jab to set up...more jabs.

Saying GSP didn't land combo's is like saying Vince Carter never dunked. He was landing combo's all fucking night long from round one. Kicks, jabs, hooks, corsses, etc.. Did he jab alot? Of course and guess what

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