UFC 134: Silva vs. Okami 8/27 |OT| The champ comes home

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TruthJunky said:
It wasn't a metaphor, dorko. It was a demonstration of the fact that your dumb little inference is structurally defective. (The fact that X has property P *doesn't* 't imply that anything that X participates in also has property P. And that's what you suggested. So be quiet.)
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In that case, it simply failed.

If you hate broccoli, putting it into various dishes ruins those dishes. It doesn't make the broccoli magically taste good if you put it into a cake.
 
Measley said:
Anderson Silva greatest MMA fighter of all time?

I mean, his record is insane, and he makes good fighters look like noobs. You also can't say that his fights aren't entertaining. Especially when he enters "bullet time" and starts dodging punches.

I'm very happy that I get to witness his greatness like my parents got to witness Ali, Foreman, Frazier, and Tyson.
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Sport isn't even 20 years old. GOAT discussions are pointless especially given the fickle nature of MMA fans.
 
I love the way the arm chair cage monkeys here are so up on seeing Silva go up a weight class.

Anderson who has proven himself should have to up his weight class to fight the unproven flavor of the month?
Jones is 6'4 with an 84.5 " reach.

Shogun has a 76" reach which was a huge part of why he got tooled.
Jones has at least 6" on almost anyone in his division, anyone who thinks that this has a huge part of his success is delusional.
 
Hex said:
I love the way the arm chair cage monkeys here are so up on seeing Silva go up a weight class.
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The pot calling the kettle black.

He wants "big fights".
Thats a big fight.
That the other guy is somewhat of a freak makes it intriguing and more interesting.

Whats the other option? Another Sonnen? Stan? Bispin if he wins a decision against Miller?
Those are alright but not the legacy fights he now wants.

ALSO
He HAS fought at 205 before. And I think its just more compelling to see him fight against someone thats also a crazy creative Striker then a smaller GSP (at a catch weight).
 
iddqd said:
ALSO
He HAS fought at 205 before. And I think its just more compelling to see him fight against someone thats also a crazy creative Striker then a smaller GSP (at a catch weight).
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Bones has shit striking and hides it behind his flashy over the top shit. It is a big difference from what Anderson does.
 
For his next fight, Anderson should fight the winner of Sonnen/Stann. After that, he should fight Shogun at 205 at the next UFC Brazil event in 2012. The country would explode and the UFC would make bank.
 
Has this already been posted?

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Chamber said:
Don't have to. You're only as good as your last fight in this sport.
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I don't think even that matters. Would anyone really argue that Chack, Randy and Frank aren't all-time greats despite having sketchy records and ending their careers with losses?
 
Chamber said:
Sport isn't even 20 years old. GOAT discussions are pointless especially given the fickle nature of MMA fans.
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MMA's age makes him less of a legend?

The man stands in people's face with his hands down. Usually that means your opponent is an idiot and is getting knocked out. Instead, they are scared to throw a punch.

His reaction time is amazing. He sees everything in slow motion. When he throws a punch, it was already well planned out and IT WILL HIT. When you pin him on the ground, he will block everything you throw.

He is the GOAT.
 
Chamber said:
Don't have to. You're only as good as your last fight in this sport.
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If Silva retires undefeated, that mantra goes out the window.

Honestly, even if he does get beaten, you can't argue that he hasn't completely changed the sport.
 
Measley said:
I really don't see anyone ever touching Silva's record.
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GSP's record is already comparable to Silva's, and some would say superior when it comes to quality of opponents for their respective divisions.

What pushes Silva ahead of GSP on the P4P/GOAT meter right now is how Silva wins, compared to GSP.

End of 2010, I had GSP ahead of Silva P4P (as did many MMA sites, sherdog's P4P list, for example). Given their 2011 performances, there's no question that Anderson has surpassed him.
For now :P
 
Boogie said:
GSP's record is already comparable to Silva's, and some would say superior when it comes to quality of opponents for their respective divisions.

What pushes Silva ahead of GSP on the P4P/GOAT meter right now is how Silva wins, compared to GSP.

End of 2010, I had GSP ahead of Silva P4P (as did many MMA sites, sherdog's P4P list, for example). Given their 2011 performances, there's no question that Anderson has surpassed him.
For now :P
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Silva fought at LHW and won every fight. GSP has never went up in weight class.

Silva has never lost his championship. GSP has.

Silva is undefeated in the UFC. GSP has lost twice in the UFC.

Silva has fought all around the world. GSP won't leave Canada.

You honestly wouldn't consider Rich Franklin, Forest Griffin, Vitor Belfort, Damian Maia, Dan Henderson, and Yushin Okami quality fighters?
 
Measley said:
Silva fought at LHW and won every fight. GSP has never went up in weight class.
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And that's a factor to consider.

Silva has never lost his championship. GSP has.

Silva is undefeated in the UFC. GSP has lost twice in the UFC.
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You say that like Anderson Silva has never had an embarrassing loss.

Daiju Takase, anyone?

GSP has never tapped out to a Japanese tomato can with a 4-7 record. Silva has.

See how that works? We can phrase our arguments to favour our preferred candidate.

Consensus at the end of 2010 tended to put GSP ahead of Silva in P4P talk. Now that has changed. (You just missed the part where I admitted Silva should be viewed ahead of GSP now, didn't you?) It could very well change again a year from now.

Silva has fought all around the world. GSP won't leave Canada.
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What does the UFC's booking have to do with anything? The UFC knows that they make a fuckton of money if they book GSP in Canada, therefore, they book GSP in Canada. Has nothing to do with GSP "refusing" to leave Canada.

You honestly wouldn't consider Rich Franklin, Forest Griffin, Vitor Belfort, Damian Maia, Dan Henderson, and Yushin Okami quality fighters?
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That's not what I said, now is it?
 
alr1ghtstart said:
oh please. Randy is thought to be one of the greatest and he got Cranekick'd into retirement.
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Nobody thought Couture had a chance against Machida. He got credit just for being in there at that point.
 
Boogie said:
And that's a factor to consider.
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It shows that GSP stays in his comfort zone.

You say that like Anderson Silva has never had an embarrassing loss.
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I'm simply comparing their UFC records.


What does the UFC's booking have to do with anything? The UFC knows that they make a fuckton of money if they book GSP in Canada, therefore, they book GSP in Canada. Has nothing to do with GSP "refusing" to leave Canada.
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Of course it doesn't.



That's not what I said, now is it?
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You're implying that GSP has had tougher fights than Silva. A statement that is pretty ridiculous considering that the MW division is just as contentious as any other division in the sport. The problem is that the champion of that division is completely dominant, and makes the rest of the division look terrible. Its not that the division is bad, its that Silva is that good. He proved that when he went up in weight class and made LHWs look bad as well.

GSP could move up to MW and prove the same. However he won't do it. I wonder why...
 
Measley said:
You're implying that GSP has had tougher fights than Silva. A statement that is pretty ridiculous considering that the MW division is just as contentious as any other division in the sport. The problem is that the champion of that division is completely dominant, and makes the rest of the division look terrible. Its not that the division is bad, its that Silva is that good. He proved that when he went up in weight class and made LHWs look bad as well.

GSP could move up to MW and prove the same. However he won't do it. I wonder why...
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lol

Jake Shields is arguably the best MIDDLEWEIGHT that either GSP or Silva has fought.
 
Measley said:
I'm simply comparing their UFC records.
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And why would you do that? MMA exists outside of the UFC, yes?




You're implying that GSP has had tougher fights than Silva. A statement that is pretty ridiculous considering that the MW division is just as contentious as any other division in the sport.
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Saying that GSP's record has more quality on it than Anderson's is "ridiculous", is it?

Let's have a look at the long view, shall we?

So, GSP is 22-2, Anderson is 30-4 (but really, that DQ loss is BS, so let's say 30-3)

Pretty comparable, right? And yes, they both have some marquee names on the top of their victim lists.

But consider another perspective. Of Anderson's 34 fights, EIGHT of his opponents have, to this day, losing records! And one of those, Takase (9-13 now, 4-7 then) beat him!

In comparison, not a single one of GSP's opponents has a losing record today.

So no, I don't think to say GSP has more quality on his resume on the whole than does Silva is "ridiculous".
 
So, I'm curious.. what is a good strategy when Silva puts his hands down and gets into that zone where he dodges punches.. Kick to the body?
 
alr1ghtstart said:
A KO is a more quality win than a decision.
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Which is why I said "What pushes Silva ahead of GSP on the P4P/GOAT meter right now is how Silva wins, compared to GSP" and "Given their 2011 performances, there's no question that Anderson has surpassed him."
 
dream said:
thanks for turning us into sherdog. ):
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Yeah, sorry.

I don't even like P4P discussion because everyone seems to apply their own interpretation of what it means. It's like arguing whether Peyton Manning is a better QB than Joe Montana.
 
Measley said:
They're being compared because they're UFC champions in their respective weight classes. Why would their fights before joining the UFC matter?
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Their fights before joining the UFC matter because they happened.

If you're talking about "no one will ever touch Silva's record", doesn't it make sense to compare a fighter's entire record?

I guess Fedor's always been shit because he's never had a fight in the UFC, huh?

And why does anyone give two shits about this "Nogueira" dude, anyway? He's only 4-2 in the UFC. That's pretty mediocre if you ask me. I don't know why everyone lost their fucking minds when he KO'd Schaub.
 
Boogie said:
Their fights before joining the UFC matter because they happened.

If you're talking about "no one will ever touch Silva's record", doesn't it make sense to compare a fighter's entire record?
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No, because the record I was talking about is his 9 UFC title defenses, and his unbeaten record in the UFC

And again, GSP and Silva are being compared because they are both UFC champions.
 
Silva is deemed better than GSP because he is entertaining. GSP matches are mostly god-awful boring.

That and the level of domination is clearly evident to the point where he'll drop his arms and just dodge punches for a while. And then knock his opponent down with a counter jab. Just because he is doing it for the fun, and knows he'll knock the guy out in 30 seconds anyway.

He's just more skilled than GSP in every way but one.
 
Measley said:
No, because the record I was talking about is his 9 UFC title defenses, and his unbeaten record in the UFC
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Well, before you just said:

"Anderson Silva greatest MMA fighter of all time?

I mean, his record is insane, and he makes good fighters look like noobs."

That's pretty vague about what you're talking about. One might almost think you just mean his, y'know, fight record.

In response, Chambers goes

"Sport isn't even 20 years old. GOAT discussions are pointless especially given the fickle nature of MMA fans."

And then you say:

"I really don't see anyone ever touching Silva's record"

Again, pretty general. And you don't bring up "bu-bu-bu I meant his undefeated UFC record and his number of title defences" until, well, just now.

So in the words of Bubbles from the Wire: you're equivocatin' like a motherfucker.
 
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