UFC 134: Silva vs. Okami 8/27 |OT| The champ comes home

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Boogie said:
I don't see a definitive way of declaring who has the better jits.
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Really? GSP has one strategy. Sit on the guy until the last bell sounds, win by decision.

That's it. He can't even submit.


What's also funny is when he finally decided to stand up for a fight. It was still boring.
 
SlipperySlope said:
Really? GSP has one strategy. Sit on the guy until the last bell sounds, win by decision.

That's it. He can't even submit.


What's also funny is when he finally decided to stand up for a fight. It was still boring.
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I like this guy!!!
 
gsp-silva doesn't work for the same reason weight classes even exist in the first place. good on gsp for realizing he has next to zero chance in that fight. they both rule over super mediocre divisions -- silva even more so than gsp. not a terrible gig
 
SlipperySlope said:
Silva is deemed better than GSP because he is entertaining. GSP matches are mostly god-awful boring.
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Well, that's one opinion. Maybe even a popular opinion. Don't really see what it has do with who the better guy is.
 
SlipperySlope said:
That's it. He can't even submit.
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GSP: 5 submission wins in 22 wins, one submission loss.
Silva: 6 submission wins in 31 wins, one submission loss.

Both BJJ black belts.

Like I said.

What's also funny is when he finally decided to stand up for a fight. It was still boring.
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Ah, so you've been watching MMA for.....about 7 months now? How do you like the sport so far? :)
 
Boogie said:
Well, before you just said:

"Anderson Silva greatest MMA fighter of all time?

I mean, his record is insane, and he makes good fighters look like noobs."

That's pretty vague about what you're talking about. One might almost think you just mean his, y'know, fight record.

In response, Chambers goes

"Sport isn't even 20 years old. GOAT discussions are pointless especially given the fickle nature of MMA fans."

And then you say:

"I really don't see anyone ever touching Silva's record"

Again, pretty general. And you don't bring up "bu-bu-bu I meant his undefeated UFC record and his number of title defences" until, well, just now.

So in the words of Bubbles from the Wire: you're equivocatin' like a motherfucker.
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Its pretty obvious that I was talking about his UFC record. 30-4 doesn't stand out. However, 9 consecutive title defenses and an unbeaten record in the UFC do.

Obviously.
 
Anderson submitted Hendo and Lutter - guys with infinitely better ground games than Outlaw Dan who practically fed GSP his arm over and over again.3
 
SlipperySlope said:
TDD - Debatable.
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painey said:
Pearson was robbed
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Barboza has really squeaked out two razor thin decisions in a row. Been really disappointing too in his performances against two guys he should have dominated if he really was the top prospect many (including me) originally hoped he'd be -- least he's not pulling a Do Bronz and losing left and right yet though. Pearson was slightly outclassed but impressive imo. He'll be back against a lesser opponent and probably get the W.
 
Throw all of that shit out the box, it doesn't matter who has the better all around game when Silva is simply on an entirely different plane in terms of striking. I really don't think there should be any debate as to is the P4P best fighter in the game, especially given that Silva has already proven himself at different classes.
 
Boogie said:
GSP: 5 submission wins in 22 wins, one submission loss.
Silva: 6 submission wins in 31 wins, one submission loss.

Both BJJ black belts.

Like I said.



Ah, so you've been watching MMA for.....about 7 months now? How do you like the sport so far? :)
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I've been watching MMA for over 10 years, but thanks for the jab.

I like good ground game. GSP doesn't have great ground skills. Like I said earlier, he knows how to lay on somebody for a while... and not submit them. Merely laying on someone for a while and NOT DOING ANYTHING is boring. Going to the ground and using actual technique and going for superior positions and submissions is NOT BORING. Get it now?

For the submission counts, where I was going with that was that GSP goes to the ground in nearly every fight and cannot submit. Silva largely ignores the ground game and backs away from a ground battle.
 
GSP is not a lay and pray fighter. The guy is always actively passing guard and throwing strikes. The difference between what he does and what Clay Guida did to Anthony Pettis, for example, is pretty stark.
 
CaptYamato said:
Could have fouled me with all the running he did in the fourth and fifth.
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He clowned him instead of just finishing him. It was unnecessary to embarrass Maia for 5 rounds when he could have just knocked him out in the 2nd or 3rd. For a moment, I thought he was going to do the same thing to Okami, but I guess he respected him enough to just end it in the 2nd.
 
the maia fight was an embarassment. just silly to try to look at it any other way especially since silva has put on amazing performances since
 
CaptYamato said:
Someone just said GSP doesn't have a great ground game. I'm out. This has passed Sherdog level of illogical debate.
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GSP has a good ground game. Not a great one.

What wins him fights is his takedowns. He has insane takedown capability. It's unfortunate that he can't finish a guy after a great takedown.

GSP goes to the ground in nearly every fight. Yet he has 9 decisions in his 22 victories. And as said before, 5 submissions.

5 subs. And he goes to the ground in nearly every fight. And you call that a great ground game?

He knows how to take somebody down at will. He knows how to make sure they don't get back up. He does not know how to submit.

Edit - Of his victories, 41% were by decision. Getting pretty dang close to a 50/50 chance of watching a GSP fight and it going to a decision. Great ground game, pfff.
 
sazabirules said:
It's pretty sad Lytle submitted Hardy but GSP didn't.
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well hardy came to fight in that one. look at hardy gameplan, shields gameplan. do nothing, don't get hurt, don't get finished basically. shields had gsp with one eye and he didn't even try shit
 
LOL @ this turning into Sherdog basically.

The simple answer is: let em fight! I'm tired of these shit fights with opponents who everyone is basically thinking has to get lucky to win. Let Silva and GSP fight and settle the argument.

I think Silva is higher up on the rung for now, because he hasn't lost since 2004 really, and GSP lost in 2004 and 2007, thats basically the only difference to me. And yeah, well, GSP is a decision machine lately and Anderson is finishing guys.
 
TheNatural said:
LOL @ this turning into Sherdog basically.

The simple answer is: let em fight! I'm tired of these shit fights with opponents who everyone is basically thinking has to get lucky to win. Let Silva and GSP fight and settle the argument.

I think Silva is higher up on the rung for now, because he hasn't lost since 2004 really, and GSP lost in 2004 and 2007, thats basically the only difference to me. And yeah, well, GSP is a decision machine lately and Anderson is finishing guys.
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why would they fight that makes zero sense for gsp. he's basically already said he couldn't beat anderson at that weight. guess what he probably couldn't beat cain or brock either

but just let em fight! toughman style!
 
HiResDes said:
Okay now you're just being ridiculous, moving up to fight Anderson is not like moving up to fight Cain or Brock
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it's equally pointless though and the outcome is equally obvious. pretty much the only people whining for this fight anymore are those who want to see gsp get squashed so you might as well ask for an even more ridiculous gimmick fight
 
AstroLad said:
why would they fight that makes zero sense for gsp. he's basically already said he couldn't beat anderson at that weight. guess what he probably couldn't beat cain or brock either

but just let em fight! toughman style!
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Seriously what kind of sport is this where a few pounds is going to prevent a dream matchup? What was the weight differences in fighters when UFC fights started? How many times has Manny Pacquaio moved up in weight to face fighters who walk around weighing a ridiculous amount more than him? Weight as an excuse is stupid for a one division move.
 
TheNatural said:
Seriously what kind of sport is this where a few pounds is going to prevent a dream matchup? What was the weight differences in fighters when UFC fights started? How many times has Manny Pacquaio moved up in weight to face fighters who walk around weighing a ridiculous amount more than him? Weight as an excuse is stupid for a one division move.
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Because it isn't a few pounds in MMA. It isn't boxing where there is a belt every few pounds.
 
I would like to see GSP go up and fight a dangerous foe. I personally think Anderson would tool GSP, just like I thought he Anderson would've been crazy to take that rumored Mir fight, but he at least went up and fought a KO artist, who Rampage said is the guy who has hit him the hardest ever, and a UFC LHW champ and a Top 10 guy. I say, if GSP beats Diaz (especially if he does so in another boring fashion like his last 4 or so fights), he should go up and fight someone like Alan Belcher or Vitor Belfort.
 
TheNatural said:
Seriously what kind of sport is this where a few pounds is going to prevent a dream matchup? What was the weight differences in fighters when UFC fights started? How many times has Manny Pacquaio moved up in weight to face fighters who walk around weighing a ridiculous amount more than him? Weight as an excuse is stupid for a one division move.
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It says nothing about the sport. Plenty of guys go up and down classes. It says more about GSP. He plays it safe and doesn't want to take risks.

Also there aren't as many divisions as in boxing. The difference from one weight class to the next is more significant.
 
CaptYamato said:
Because it isn't a few pounds in MMA. It isn't boxing where there is a belt every few pounds.
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Pacman held title in not one but SEVEN different weight classes. It wasn't just a 'few pounds' for him either. What was the difference between Cain and Brock when they fought? Why did BJ move up to face GSP, but GSP can't? And what's preventing a catchweight fight between divisions? Anderson used to fight at a lower weight as well. There's no legitimate logical reason why they can't fight, PERIOD.
 
Silva moved up to LHW and embarrassed the former LHW champion.

GSP could do it too, but he hasn't (and won't).

That's the difference.
 
AranhaHunter said:
I would like to see GSP go up and fight a dangerous foe. I personally think Anderson would tool GSP, just like I thought he Anderson would've been crazy to take that rumored Mir fight, but he at least went up and fought a KO artist, who Rampage said is the guy who has hit him the hardest ever, and a UFC LHW champ and a Top 10 guy. I say, if GSP beats Diaz (especially if he does so in another boring fashion like his last 4 or so fights), he should go up and fight someone like Alan Belcher or Vitor Belfort.
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Did Rampage actually say that? He's a funny guy, that Quinton.
 
Chamber said:
Did Rampage actually say that? He's a funny guy, that Quinton.
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He did, but he also said Randleman and Chuck at one point. The point is Irvin is a dangerous foe with KO power, that's why I suggested someone like Belcher or Belfort. Hell, maybe Maia, Munoz, or Franklin would be an intriguing match up as well.
 
we need to go back to the old days where every one was in the same weight class

or when there was simply a heavyweight and a light heavy weight division

if we realy want to be pussies, have heavyweight, light heavy, and middleweight classes

bring back kicks to opponents on the ground, elbow strikes, foot stomps (not illegal, but no one uses them), and kidney heel kicks from the guard position

e: forgot head butts. love that shit.
 
OpinionatedCyborg said:
we need to go back to the old days where every one was in the same weight class

or when there was simply a heavyweight and a light heavy weight division

if we realy want to be pussies, have heavyweight, light heavy, and middleweight classes

bring back kicks to opponents on the ground, elbow strikes, foot stomps (not illegal, but no one uses them), and kidney heel kicks from the guard position

e: forgot head butts. love that shit.
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The old days sucked a fat dick.
 
CaptYamato said:
A bunch of tired dudes fighting each other, you really want that?
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For a while it will be, they will get their asses kicked by guys who are naturally in that division and move up weight, same with the guys above them etc etc.
 
Brian Fellows said:
The old days sucked a fat dick.
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old days of ufc? yes, you're right. very little talent for many years... that said, it was extremely entertaining and fascinating to watch the sport develop. from the first UFCs where the grapplers and submission experts with wrestling experience dominated the Fred Ettishes, to the age where pure wrestles dominated with a crude form a of ground-and-pound to the time when kickboxers and those experienced in pancrase demonstrated striking's effectiveness... really fun to watch. the evolution takes place so quickly.

old days of IVC? nope, didn't suck by any metric. lots of talent. not up to ufc's standards, of course: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vM3RsyoLuBs.
 
TheNatural said:
Pacman held title in not one but SEVEN different weight classes. It wasn't just a 'few pounds' for him either. What was the difference between Cain and Brock when they fought? Why did BJ move up to face GSP, but GSP can't? And what's preventing a catchweight fight between divisions? Anderson used to fight at a lower weight as well. There's no legitimate logical reason why they can't fight, PERIOD.
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Four of those belts are within 10 pounds of each other and two of them are for the same weight class but different titles.
 
Final UFC 134 thoughts:

Palhares vs Miller should have been FOTN. I'd also love to see Palhares fight Anderson. Interesting style matchup to say the least. More compelling than anything other than a Sonnen rematch in the 185 division IMO.

I also think we've seen Nog and Shogun's last big hurrahs. Shogun didn't look all that great against Forrest, he was slow as fuck, almost Frankenstein-esque like Rashad said Rampage is like now. It's just that Forrest didn't even want to be there. Shogun is MMA's Mario Lemieux. Incredibly talented but plagued by injuries.

Nog's chin is still shot. He can get KO'd by any top heavyweight. He'll drop his next 2 probably and then be done.
 
polyh3dron said:
Final UFC 134 thoughts:

Palhares vs Miller should have been FOTN. I'd also love to see Palhares fight Anderson. Interesting style matchup to say the least. More compelling than anything other than a Sonnen rematch in the 185 division IMO.

I also think we've seen Nog and Shogun's last big hurrahs. Shogun didn't look all that great against Forrest, he was slow as fuck, almost Frankenstein-esque like Rashad said Rampage is like now. It's just that Forrest didn't even want to be there. Shogun is MMA's Mario Lemieux. Incredibly talented but plagued by injuries.

Nog's chin is still shot. He can get KO'd by any top heavyweight. He'll drop his next 2 probably and then be done.
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I don't think a cheat like Palhares deserves to go up in the ranks. Haven't seen a clean fight from him, I think, ever. Holds subs, grabs cage/shorts/gloves, attacks spine, fights after the bell etc. Dude's playing with his own rules and the refs let it slide. Even Florian was a bit shocked between rounds about him.

Funny how he claims Miller said "Stop!" so he stopped fighting, yet when refs tell him to stop what ever cheating he's doing the guy doesn't react. They should start removing points from all the shit he's pulling, clean up his act and then feed him to Silva if he can still win fights.

I agree about Shogun, I thought he looked pretty much the same is in Jones fight. He won because Forrest was shit, not because "he's back".
 
Ninja Scooter said:
It says nothing about the sport. Plenty of guys go up and down classes. It says more about GSP. He plays it safe and doesn't want to take risks.
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Plenty of guys on losing streaks sure.

TheNatural said:
Pacman held title in not one but SEVEN different weight classes. It wasn't just a 'few pounds' for him either.
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There is a reason why wrestlers brought so much more weight cutting experience in to MMA than other disciplines, weight simply matters much more in wrestling than in striking.

TheNatural said:
What was the difference between Cain and Brock when they fought?
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Heavyweights have diminishing or negative returns on mass after a certain point. The same doesn't hold true for lower weight classes.

TheNatural said:
Why did BJ move up to face GSP, but GSP can't?
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The first time they fought, UFC didn't have a lightweight division. The second fight is better used as an example of why not to move up in weight.
 
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