Epsilon-delta
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Exactly, it's a perfect cop out for him and his fans.
UFC 162: Silva vs. Weidman |OT| God or Fraud
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RaySpencer
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I prefer Fantaweight.
I respect Silva as a fighter, but it's hard not to root for any of his challengers after he taunts them so much. I know it's part of his entertainment but I think it motivates the other fighter even more to finish the fight instead of being some sort of negative mind-game. It goes both ways in the sense that it can make someone careless as they take it too personally or they'll channel some sort of inner-beast that only makes it harder for you.
Lambda Pie
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Silva didn't take a dive, he was booked to lose. it's 2 different things.
That is not odd in the slightest.
Did you guys watched Like Water ?
Silva was ALWAYS bored of the showbussiness part of the UFC ... and with Dana White calling him every 5 seconds to fight John Jonnes he would only be more pissed than ever and want to retire and "go home and be a family man"
"If he ever act like that on the ring again, I will cut him" <- Dana White from the Like Water trailer
He didn't gave a single fuck about the fight
Now he is free from the John Jonnes fight, Dana White has the USA born champion he always wanted and Silva can try to have his last fights with smaller weight on his shoulders
What a terrible night. Haven't gotten the chance to get around to a computer till now. That's an interesting video which is kind of in line with what I was thinking. Not so much as to him taking a dive but I feel like he was just finally at that "I don't really give a fuck" mentality. I'm not saying he wanted to lose but it was more of a "If it happens, it happens" type of deal. He probably was going for the most outlandish KO he could think of and leaving himself wide open for that shitty left hook. He had been openly expressive about his dislike for media and all the superfight talks. Could Silva have beat Weidman if he really tried? Sure, he would've destroyed him imo but that talk isn't going anywhere. Props to Weidman for capitalizing on the opening though. He still hasn't fully won my respect yet to be honest. Maybe if he puts up a nice 3-4 title defenses under his belt impressively.
on the other hand... (my conspiracy theory)
As seen in the video, when asked about the possible superfights, he put his wish to fight RJJ over anyone else. He begged for him to give him a chance to test his boxing. The champion's clause in the UFC contract doesn't allow a champion to leave the organization. Seeing as how he's so adamant about not wanting a rematch/title shot in all of his pre and post fight interviews, maybe it was a way for him to get out of that situation. Maybe get a fight with RJJ outside of the Octagon or even in it because there would be absolutely no way he'd get that fight if he was champion.
He would go out and give the most ridiculous show for the crowd to test Weidman then easily take the dive via KO as tapping to that heel hook wouldn't have sufficed. He had practiced that eye rollback for weeks and just had to take 1 or 2 big blows once he was down after that tortoise speed pillow shot left hook. Dana would have a new American champion let alone from NY to maybe get it finally legalized over here. If this is all indeed true, Silva is truly the greatest of all fucking time for pulling the biggest mindfuck of all time with such brilliance.
one can dream, right?
bodyboarder
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Thank god silva got knocked out, I hate when a fighter act all cocky In the ring. Leave that stuff for the weigh ins etc.
Somehow, I don't think this will stop Spider from doing his usual inring antics in future fights. Maybe tone it down but it'll still be there.
That's why I said most. Obviously there are some sports that are not popular in the US and therefore doesn't get the same amount of money or development.
Compare Formula 1 to Nascar and Indycar. Cricket, Football, Rugby I'll agree because those sports just aren't popular in the US like hockey. But if they were, you could assume America would dominate at them.
Has nothing to do with patriotism or anything, I'm from Canada by the way, just saying that the sports industry in the US is the most funded and complete anywhere. Most people train or improve in the US as well. The amount of money, training facilities, associations and funding is unmatched. And unlike say Russia or China, it's not even government controlled or run.
Think about it in Olympic sports terms. But no point in derailing the thread.
On topic, I think Silva will get the rematch, completely destroy Weidman, won't showboat this time, but forever his legacy had a blip, everyone will see how he taunted Weidman, didn't respect his stand up and got knocked out.
For some reason, I keep thinking of Chuck Liddell. That punch Weidman threw, the Anderson Silva of 5 years ago would have probably avoided and probably not even phased him, but he's becoming an old man now, time is catching up to him.
It's why I believe if Jon Jones stays at light Heavyweight, he has no one to really challenge him and may eventually surpass Silva's accomplishments. Move Jon Jones to heavyweight though and you have guys like Cain Velasquez, Junior Dos Santos be dangerous opponents for him.
childplease
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Jon Jones should be a heavyweight.
Then again the HW division would eat him alive.
Then again the HW division would eat him alive.
Yeah someone on another forum said right away he'd be champion and I disagreed. I said even a guy like Roy Nelson would frustrate Jon Jones who's not used to the kind of hitting and power these guys have. A guy like Junior Dos Santos would punish Jones on stand up and guys like Cain Velasquez are so powerful at that weight.
As for Spider, it seems he had too much faith in his stand up. He had no chance against Roy Jones Jr. anyway, the implication is ridiculous.
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A More Normal Bird
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Rewatch the GIFs. No one could have avoided that punch from the position Silva was in. I guess hypothetically some kind of superhuman could have recovered from the backhand instantaneously, seen the left coming and decided to fall backwards onto the mat to try and escape it, but that's about it. Weidman knew what to do and put Anderson in a position where he was off balance and moving into the punch. The only way a younger SIlva avoids it is if he doesn't decide to take that sort of risk against Weidman in the first place.
AranhaHunter
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Canada will soon be the 51st state anyway, so you're biased. JK
maybe
As far as those sports, the US is very competitive in them when you consider how unpopular they are here.
Regarding the punch that knocked Silva out, if you rewatch the Henderson fight, you see that he takes a left to the jaw, right on the button, from Hendo when he comes in for the clinch in the 2nd. I gotta think Hendo hits a lot harder than Weidman, however he might not have even seen this punch coming whereas he maybe saw the Hendo punch coming.
I would really like to see JJ vs Cormier. I doubt JJ will be able to take Daniel down and use his most lethal weapons and I would like to see how Cormier would get in on Jones.
except he has made it clear that Anderson doesnt want to give him a rematch.
And for the people saying Anderson was showboating...no. He was trying to get Chris into a striking exchange to open him up for a counter. Thats his game, he is a counter fighter. That was Anderson in serious mode, except with a bit extra dancing because it wasnt working on Weidman. He has no answer for Chris Weidman. No offense due to the threat of takedown (he defended a TD via low stance but limited his offense as a result)
He also does those things to frustrate and take the confidence away from fighters. Didnt work, Weidman just dropped his hands and nodded his head in front of him. The reason he was KO'd was due to a weird right jab that Anderson reacted to. Watch the gif. Anderson expected a left hook, it even looked like a left hook was coming..but nope.
Spiderjericho
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He's done the "rope a dope" act before in previous fights (Bonnar, Griffin, Maia, etc). His strategy was flawed since he didn't take into account Weidman's striking.
And there was no answer for the takedowns. His only option was to counter through stand up striking.
AranhaHunter
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Then why didn't he do that against Dan Henderson? Against Vitor Belfort? Against James Irvin? In Pride? In Cage Rage? When he first got to the UFC against Leben and Franklin 1? He was showboating. If Anderson fought Leben saturday, he would be showboating and "trying to put on a show" instead of going there and fight like he did on their first fight.
Cause he's bored, and he's been bored for a while.
Spiderjericho
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The period of disinterest.
Go back to the string of fights where Dana said he was ready to fire him. Leites, Maia, etc.
Anderson seems to only be in it for the money right now.
B For Bendetta
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Didn't Vitor have some ludicrous quote like, "I would have beaten Anderson if he hadn't knocked me out"
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1695987-ufc-162-how-chris-weidman-killed-the-king
Here is a good article that shows how Weidman got the KO
Here is a good article that shows how Weidman got the KO
Nameless One
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Absolutely
i watched again and again, the backand is what eventually led silva to lean into Weidman's left cross
Solid commentary on the boxing aspect of it. I feel the comment about showboating is off the mark, though. I agree with Splint, the showboating is not so much for the crowd or the judges, but to humiliate the opponent into swinging shots at a range he can sway and counter. He wants opponents to come to him, because that's where he is at his best, and effective countering turns his really solid strikes into knockout strikes. This time he fought a guy with knockout power who specifically trained to get into the correct range and land blows on a swaying opponent, and managed to get KOd.
TrAcEr_x90
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Really lame that people are amazed by silvas style of luring opponents into a mental warfare but when it doesnt work as planned (maia, wiedman) everyone turns into oh he deserved that shit and to be knocked out. Silva was the only one with enough skill or just plain balls to develop that style of fighting for mma and it wowed the world for how many years??? Nobody has accomplished what he has. I still feel silva knew his time was coming, especially in the most recent interviews. If wiedman was the one to finally catch him I think he was perfectly fine with it,and to be knocked out was also how he wanted it. I think he went in to win the fight as always, but was slightly off this one time and he got caught. He went out on a shield if you ask me.....
I read through 30 pages of bad posts to find this gem, thank you so much!
OpinionatedCyborg
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Ninja Scooter
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one of the few times the UFC and Anderson Silva make the rounds on ESPN/sports talk shows and radio and it's for people to clown on Anderson for gettting KTFO. And people say this won't have an affect on his legacy.
Ninja Scooter
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First Take and Around the Horn talked about it as well.
ArisenDragon
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Anderson Silva ‏@SpiderAnderson 11h
That is my Prize ......
That is my Prize ......
Not having the hunger is FAR worse than being 38 years old. Silva doesn't have the hunger based on his conduct both fighting and during his interviews.
Not sure where he goes from here. Fight some bums and ko then in spectacular fashion? Doesn't seem appropriate with someone of his calibre.
Not sure where he goes from here. Fight some bums and ko then in spectacular fashion? Doesn't seem appropriate with someone of his calibre.
Pristine_Condition
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Funny enough, Anderson killed guys who held Championships in both those weight divisions as well.
None of the guys in the GOAT debate faced more Champions than Anderson Silva.
Jon Jones has and he's only started.
Anderson's opposition is as patchy as Fedor's. The difference is Fedor went for the kill every single time and was undersized for his weight class.
Jon Jones is a freak of nature though. Built like a heavyweight but fights at Light Heavyweight. His size, reach is even better than most heavyweights. But I agree, Jon Jones has faced opponents that were all former champions or world contenders. I'd have liked to see the fight with Hendo, just to see how he'd have done. But the way he's absolutely destroyed people is ridiculous. Even guys like Shogun, Lyoto, etc.
Pristine_Condition
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Nice cherry-picked list. LOL Let's look at another list, with a lot more sports represented--Summer and Winter Olympics medals:
In major sports, there's no question the US dominates. It's easy to find sports where the US doesn't really have much of an audience, but that doesn't mean shit.
Just to pick one, if you think the US couldn't win in F1 if there was an impetus for it, you might want to ask what happened at the 24 Heures du Mans in the late 60s. US motorsports can compete and win anywhere, if there is a want. The problem isn't that F1 is a bad sport, quite the contrary. The fact is that for the American race fan, it's a helluva lot more fun to go to a NASCAR or IndyCar race, and you get way, way more for your money. For the fan, off-the-track, F1 is overpriced and simply under-delivers. Whereas in NASCAR and IndyCar, it's not that big a deal for a fan to have access to the drivers and the pits and paddock (even DURING the race, if you have the right ticket) those kinds of experiences are practically non-existant in F1, unless you are a multi-millionaire or a model-actress type.
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But to get this back on-topic, I don't think the US "domination" of MMA is nearly as deep as some make it out to be. I think when the sport opens up, it'll be even tougher to make that claim. When Mexico and Central America really open up for MMA, I think it won't take long before you see a situation similar to Boxing in the lighter weight classes of MMA. We haven't even come close to seeing the depth of fighting talent from elsewhere in the world yet.
My dad says that if you brush him enoght you will see that his skin is blue and he is actualy a Navi (his exact words are "he is an Avatar")
AranhaHunter
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Nice cherry-picked list. LOL Let's look at another list, with a lot more sports represented--Summer and Winter Olympics medals:
In major sports, there's no question the US dominates. It's easy to find sports where the US doesn't really have much of an audience, but that doesn't mean shit.
Just to pick one, if you think the US couldn't win in F1 if there was an impetus for it, you might want to ask what happened at the 24 Heures du Mans in the late 60s. US motorsports can compete and win anywhere, if there is a want. The problem isn't that F1 is a bad sport, quite the contrary. The fact is that for the American race fan, it's a helluva lot more fun to go to a NASCAR or IndyCar race, and you get way, way more for your money. For the fan, off-the-track, F1 is overpriced and simply under-delivers. Whereas in NASCAR and IndyCar, it's not that big a deal for a fan to have access to the drivers and the pits and paddock (even DURING the race, if you have the right ticket) those kinds of experiences are practically non-existant in F1, unless you are a multi-millionaire or a model-actress type.
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But to get this back on-topic, I don't think the US "domination" of MMA is nearly as deep as some make it out to be. I think when the sport opens up, it'll be even tougher to make that claim. When Mexico and Central America really open up for MMA, I think it won't take long before you see a situation similar to Boxing in the lighter weight classes of MMA. We haven't even come close to seeing the depth of fighting talent from elsewhere in the world yet.
A little OT, but the US has 2 F1 champions IIRC.
Syph Medwes
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I don't know why but I just burst out laughing at this part goddamn
As someone who has only been following UFC for about 2 years, I thought Silva's cockiness just caught up to him, not that he threw the fight.
Nah breh. He clearly just didnt feel like winning. He thought the best statement he could make about how he's the best and how he gives no fucks was by getting knocked the FUUUCK out.
The Best.
Newsflash. He got touched with all four of those shots. The Whiteman ..a generic wrestler with average hand speed bopped da gawd with ALL of those shots. The jab touched him..the cross connected but didnt hurt him..the backhand brushed his face..and the left hook put his lights out.
http://i.minus.com/ibpTAYvgSlVH1S.gif
gifs all around!
Christopher Weidman owns Anderson Silva's soul.
not only did he neutralize anderson's usual antics..he beat him at it
anderson conected ZERO damaging strikes in almost five minutes.
Slow plodding american rassler chris weidman outstruck the stand up wizard
anderson silva. He did it quite effortlessly too.
abstract alien
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I love how he takes shots like that lol.
As a HUGE fan of Anderson Silvas for years, I really feel like he let me, and all his fans down with that performance. He didn't take it seriously and got bopped.
There's nothing I can say, it was embarrassing and shameful to watch. He let his pride/ego go to his head and didn't take his opponent seriously.
What sucks is that this guy who beat him is a nobody. He won't hold the belt anywhere near as long as Silva did. It sucks that Silva chose to mess around in this match of all matches.
Never underestimate your opponent. It's a sport where people are throwing fucking punches at you. Anyone can get knocked out and it seems like Silva forgot that.
There's nothing I can say, it was embarrassing and shameful to watch. He let his pride/ego go to his head and didn't take his opponent seriously.
What sucks is that this guy who beat him is a nobody. He won't hold the belt anywhere near as long as Silva did. It sucks that Silva chose to mess around in this match of all matches.
Never underestimate your opponent. It's a sport where people are throwing fucking punches at you. Anyone can get knocked out and it seems like Silva forgot that.
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