UFC 162: Silva vs. Weidman |OT| God or Fraud
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He was acting like he always does. You said you were a fan, but he was acting like an asshole this fight, so I took it as you didn't think his previous fights weren't filled with acts of assholery.. Wasn't trying to put words in your mouth.
joeygreco1985
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Fuck Vitor Belfort. "oh shit someone who isn't anderson silva is champ again I can totally beat him now!!! DANA MAKE THE DAMN MATCH"
Byakuya769
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Champ or a can.
That's just Joe Rogan. He picks a favourite and talks them up the whole fight or until they start obviously losing.
Rafa=FedKilla
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The fight opens up the possibility of Anderson vs. Minowaman. For the undisputed Super Hulk Championship
AranhaHunter
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USA's dominance in MMA is unquestionable today.
USA
Heavyweight - Cain Velasquez
Light Heavyweight - Jon Jones
Middleweight - Chris Weidman
Lightweight - Ben Henderson
Bantaweight - Dominick Cruz
Flyweight - Demetrius Jonhson
Bantaweight(W) - Rhonda Rousey
Brazil
Featherweight - Jose Aldo
Bantaweight - Renan Barao (Interino)
Canada
Welterweight - Georges St Pierre
USA
Heavyweight - Cain Velasquez
Light Heavyweight - Jon Jones
Middleweight - Chris Weidman
Lightweight - Ben Henderson
Bantaweight - Dominick Cruz
Flyweight - Demetrius Jonhson
Bantaweight(W) - Rhonda Rousey
Brazil
Featherweight - Jose Aldo
Bantaweight - Renan Barao (Interino)
Canada
Welterweight - Georges St Pierre
I think Spider finally losing would've garnered more attention than any news in mma, period.
Well when you look at the population compared to each other country.... Also almost all the champions started off as a wrestler which is the more important statistic
Summed up my feelings. I was loving when he was clowning Weidman, it's what he always does. It's a shame he got knocked out, it's a dangerous game he was playing. Still, I thought the fight was exciting, props to both fighters. I was much more ashamed to be a Canfan when Bigfoot donkey-konged him. Aen he turned into a bar brawler.
AranhaHunter
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Population is not everything, otherwise India would be top 3 in the medal count in the olympics, but I get your point. And yes, wrestling is extremely important. Keep olympic wrestling please.
Chris Weidman, "that disrespectful piece of shit"
lol, it was the Brazilian fans there in Vegas who were booing the crap out of him.
I've noticed this arrogance from Silva ever since that fight in Dubai.
There's a difference between confidence and arrogance.
Just look at him yesterday. Look at his antics. Especially 6 seconds before the knockout. Feigned being hurt as a taunt, dodged two punches, couldn't dodge the third.
He's feeling exactly like Chuck Liddell felt after Rampage got him. A punch that wouldn't have phased him 7 years ago, buckled his legs and almost put him to sleep.
He needed this. His weigh in antics were getting a bit too cocky as well. Look at what he did to Weidman, headbutted Chael Sonnen at his weigh in, wore a mask and then did same to Vitor Belfort who thought it'd be friendly banter but turned insulting.
Anyone who says his legacy isn't tarnished is kidding themselves. Plus we can forget all the bullshit about him legitimately boxing Roy Jones Jr.
There's a difference between confidence and arrogance.
Just look at him yesterday. Look at his antics. Especially 6 seconds before the knockout. Feigned being hurt as a taunt, dodged two punches, couldn't dodge the third.
He's feeling exactly like Chuck Liddell felt after Rampage got him. A punch that wouldn't have phased him 7 years ago, buckled his legs and almost put him to sleep.
He needed this. His weigh in antics were getting a bit too cocky as well. Look at what he did to Weidman, headbutted Chael Sonnen at his weigh in, wore a mask and then did same to Vitor Belfort who thought it'd be friendly banter but turned insulting.
Anyone who says his legacy isn't tarnished is kidding themselves. Plus we can forget all the bullshit about him legitimately boxing Roy Jones Jr.
People mistake Silva's clowning for domination. Nick Diaz does the same thing. I wonder how long until everyone accepts the fact that Candy was dominated by young Christopher Weidman.
JasonUresti
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Indeed. Weidman was slipping just as many strikes as Silva, but he wasn't acting like a fool after doing so.
In that second GIF Silva gets caught with a solid right hand. Him smiling doesn't erase it, and most often a fighter who smiles after getting hit does it because it did hurt him and he's just trying to play it off.
Silva really got out fought pretty easily by Weidman.
He was dominated.. I think he was dominated much worse in both Sonnen fights, yet he still won. The Weidman fight was still winnable if Anderson actually had a gameplan and stuck to it.. unless his entire gameplan was to fuck around. I also think that Anderson 's problem in this fight wasn't only the clowning, he also got impatient. You notice at the end of first and in the second round, instead of counter punching like he usually does, he started chasing after Weidman with wild punches. He got afflicted with the Fedor syndrome of trying to end the fight quick, getting sloppy/careless and as a result finished himself. I think he got frustrated with Weidman fighting better than him and panicked. He had a lot more patience in the Sonnen fights.
I'll disagree on the out fought part. Silva actually seemed to believe Weidman couldn't hurt him and so
risked himself to try and show it.
When Weidman threw that combination of punches, the older, less cocky Silva would have dodged them and countered or moved away. This one just stops dead in his tracks and feigns that he was injured. And in that second or two, Weidman closed gap again and through some more combinations, hitting him with the left finally.
Silva believed his stand up and chin were impeccable, that's why he wanted a boxing match with Roy Jones Jr.
At one point, I remembered this old movie Bloodsport with Van Damme, in one scene, Frank Dux (Van Damme), is in a fight and gets a kick and he brushes it off and like slaps his right leg and is like cmon kick me here, and then throws one of his own, takes one, throws one of his own. And I thought I saw Silva do something like that.
His arrogance has been astounding. Maybe it's rightful arrogance since he's been so dominant. But headbutting Chael at the weigh-in, insulting Vitor, doing the same to Weidman. It caught up to him.
I'm just disappointed. His legacy forever has a blip that could have been prevented.
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Byakuya769
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I thought Silva's antics were above what they normally are, and I'm happy he caught that one on the chin. However, this Weidman guy thinks he's hot shit and I can't wait to see him get worked.
Ninja Scooter
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Was Keith "The Dean of Mean" Jardine laughing when Rockhold put dem thangs to work?
You mean super Hluk
TheKaeptain
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WHAT? Weidman isn't anything like that. He wasn't even impressed with his own performance last night.
You're kidding yourself if you actually think it is. His resume is all you need. He's still considering the GOAT and that's not gonna change, whether the haters like it or not.
Ninja Scooter
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It has changed. Jon Bones is the new GOAT and the lasting memory of Anderson Silva will be that time he got knocked out while clowning around. Deal with it.
US dominance in most sports is unquestionable. It's just the fact they have the money, knowledge, talent and facilities to make it happen. Every year during the Olympics we see all these champions for other countries, even ones that defeat US Olympian and then you find out, they train throughout the year in the US, that they have US coaches or played sports in America colleges etc.
Even a lot of Brazilians train in the US all the time. But damn, the fact that a lot of those champions has some form of wrestling/grappling skill prior to professional MMA just shows how important it is.
I would wait a bit to call crown JBJ goat yet. Best p4p fighter? Sure. Let's see how his record looks in a few years. I certainly don't see anyone that can challenge him now, but who knows, there could be an up and coming young guy who might just beat him, like Weidman did Silva.
Ninja Scooter
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Give Mexico their due, hermanos.
Epsilon-delta
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Agreed. Silva might be a repeat of Roy Jones Jr. getting knocked the fuck out, his confidence might be shot to shit and I expect his next opponents to tap that china chin and put him on permanent over-the-hill status.
JasonUresti
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If you are getting hit and you are missing your strikes against your opponent, no matter how you are acting, you are losing.
Any version of Silva gets caught by that hook. He was squared up, heavy on his feet against a guy coming forward throwing combinations. Also, unlike the less than talented strikers like Griffin or Maia, Weidman didn't go left right left right left right, making for an easy rhythm to bob and weave. Weidman nailed him with a left, then came with the right that Silva dodged, but then came with a quick right again, a backhand, that not only threw Silva off the punch rhythm, making him move right into position to catch the left hook, it also gave Weidman an extra moment to move forward a little bit more and position himself so he could put power into that hook.
Ninja Scooter
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If you would have told somebody 3 years ago that a single man would clean out the LHW division (which at the time was supposed to be super deep) in the UFC, and in rapid succession add the names Shogun, Machida, Rampage, Rashad and Belfort to his hit list, and in supremely impressive fashion, they would have thought you were making that up. Bones has had the most impressive UFC run ever.
Stop with the bullshit 'haters' stuff. We're not some teens on a Justin Bieber chatroom. We're discussing mixed martial arts and legacies. Anderson Silva is a guy who just got knocked out. One of Weidman's punches was going square on his face but got deflected by the refs knee and so he wasn't unconscious.
His resume is impressive. But how can you say Greatest of All Time? There are others coming up who seem likely to surpass him. No records stay unbroken.
And you're kidding yourself if you think what happened last night didn't matter. It did. It showed the world Anderson was arrogant and got knocked out, something that was impossible to comprehend the night before, is now something that will be commonplace. Every fight after this, people will wonder if he'll get knocked out again.
I wanted Silva to win before the fight, by the end, in a weird way, I was glad Weidman won.
'how do you fight a man, who feels no fear? By putting the fear in him' and that's exactly what happened to Silva. He's going to go back and never again will he showboat like that or think he is invincible.
or he could be like Wlad and come back and beat everyone down
dream
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It confirms what we all knew in our hearts to be true. Anderson wanted to make The Wildman a superstar.
JasonUresti
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yeah, you guys are on it. Silva let himself get dropped with a hook and then his head get bounced off the mat with like basketball with follow up right hand because he wanted to lose.
He was throwing hard shots at Weidman and catching nothing but air because he just didn't care.
He was throwing hard shots at Weidman and catching nothing but air because he just didn't care.
TheKaeptain
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Cain and Cruz have their belts. That's about it until Mexican's stop boxing.
ChosenPredator
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lol that is fucking weird though to be honest... im not one of those conspiracy theorist but thats odd as fuck.
Maybe those in denial.
Phat Michael
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Really?
Cricket, Football, Rugby, Formula 1, K1 - i wouldnt say they dominate at "most" sports meaning almost all of them...cmon man.
BadAss2961
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So he really did put him over.
Can Crusher
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LiquidMetal14
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I'm going to bed lol
Sounds like a man who is 38 and realises his body and desire to win is failing him and is making excuses before the fight. For someone with an ego that large it's not an uncommon thing to see. If he loses it's because he is tired and doesn't want the title. If he wins, he wins despite not wanting it and being tired.
JimiNutz
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I'm so glad I didn't watch this yesterday when I was high as fuck, paranoid, and thinking that every UFC fighter was an actor and that the whole thing is just one big elaborate troll.
I still just think that Silva got caught. He was getting very comfortable in the 2nd as he had stuffed Weidman's take down attempt and I think he was expecting the second round to go like his second round with Sonnen in their re-match.
It's clear that he is no longer that bothered about being champ though. He just wants a chill life where he fights once a year, puts on a show, and doesn't have all the pressure and responsibility of being champ. He didn't want to lose, or throw the fight, he got caught goofing around but I genuinely feel that he doesn't care.
If GSP got caught like that and was KTFO he would probably spiral into a deep depression for 6 months.
Anderson just don't give a fuck, he knows he's the best.
My other theory last night is that Anderson may be finding it harder to make weight now that he's nearly 40.
Two of his best performances of all time have been at 205. Maybe making 185 drains his body too much and he would be happier ending his career fighting at 205 (but not against Jones).
Can Crusher
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Sure, letting Weidman hold the belt saying to the cameras that the perfect fight for him is to see Weidman as new champion, best in the world.... saying he's tired and doesn't want a rematch. Then everything happens as he says, and he says after the fight the same shit he said before.
This isn't the kind of talk you ever hear from fighters, old or not. Dude put his ass on the line like he never did during the fight too.
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