• Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.

UFC 214 |OT| Jones vs Cormier 2 - Dad Bod vs Coke Bod ft.

V

VoxPop

Member
Got nothing but love for DC. I don't get the hate. He was a semi paper champ while Jones was gone but Cormier is the #2 fighter in the world without a doubt so no complaints. Without DC, I don't think Jones would be as good as he is today.
 
-MD-

-MD-

Member
ValfarHL said:
Is it a goal in itself to laugh?
All the guys in here making fun of DC just seems immature af. Guy lost his daughter to a drunk driver. Jones crashed into a pregnant women and fled the scene, only after running back to get his drugs.

I have literally no idea what's going through the head of the guys here laughing at DC's reaction. Grow the fuck up.
Click to expand...

The MMA community can be pretty embarrassing.
 
N

Ninja Scooter

Member
Damn Dana tore Woodley a new one. And straight out admitted he took the GSP fight away because of how boring the fight was lol.

"Who wants to pay to see Tyron Woodley fight again?"

Dana White on one of his own champions.
 
I

iddqd

Member
Just watched everything, bummed about DC and homeboy Maia.

It's also great that Rogan understands what a bad idea the post fight interview (with the loser) is BUT STILL DOES IT.

Maia needs a good send off fight and retire and DC maybe the same.
He never fought Teixeira right? There is a good "old guys" match and maybe retire after.

Cyborg looked good and Woodley terrible. I might be biased but GSP was never THIS one note.
Guy was great everywhere and able to smother people with their weakness.
He was boring because of how one sided his wins were, but was a complete MMA fighter.

Woodley is a coaster with low fight IQ. It would be funny though if by sheer luck of match ups, he would continue being the champ. RIP 170
 
G

GalacticToast

Member
Still gutted over DC's loss. I have nothing but respect for Jones. Dude had every chance in the world to shit on DC and he gave nothing but great words for Daniel at the end of it.

Also, fuck Dana and his shit talking on Woodley. You make him fight specialists and then criticize the guy for sticking to his plan and defending his belt. His TTD is nothing short of spectacular.
 
P

Pupperbabysassy

Member
iddqd said:
Just watched everything, bummed about DC and homeboy Maia.

It's also great that Rogan understands what a bad idea the post fight interview (with the loser) is BUT STILL DOES IT.

Maia needs a good send off fight and retire and DC maybe the same.
He never fought Teixeira right? There is a good "old guys" match and maybe retire after.

Cyborg looked good and Woodley terrible. I might be biased but GSP was never THIS one note.
Guy was great everywhere and able to smother people with their weakness.
He was boring because of how one sided his wins were, but was a complete MMA fighter.

Woodley is a coaster with low fight IQ. It would be funny though if by sheer luck of match ups, he would continue being the champ. RIP 170
Click to expand...

Woodley has a low fight IQ? How so?
 
dream

dream

Member
Now that the Ultimate is owned by a legitimate entertainment enterprise, they need to start looking at performance metrics, and reserve the right to strip champions who consistently draw under a certain number of PPV buys.
 
O

Obliterator

Member
Ironically as awful as MMA fans can be and as awful as YouTube comments are the two combined are sorta hilarious.

Like the top comments during Embedded episodes often some really fucking funny shit (also bad ones of course)
 
A

ApharmdX

Banned
Ninja Scooter said:
Damn Dana tore Woodley a new one. And straight out admitted he took the GSP fight away because of how boring the fight was lol.

"Who wants to pay to see Tyron Woodley fight again?"

Dana White on one of his own champions.
Click to expand...

Dana White should have just stepped back from the spotlight and enjoyed being worth $500m or whatever. The dude hurts MMA when he opens his disloyal mouth time and time again to badmouth fighters.

Let's not forget what Dana said about his new champ:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VqGQCYiODo

Fuck that guy.
 
S

shockthrill

Banned
I mean Dana has a point

if fans don't want to watch Woodley fight, then Woodley is never going to be a draw

Dana isn't saying Woodley fought stupid, he is first and foremost a buisnessman/promoter
 
R

RBelong2Us

Member
pretty crazy that the best welterweight in MMA right now is in Bellator.

Rory isn't even in his prime yet...the biggest f*ck up for UFC in terms of individuals they let walk.

Maybe before 30 we will see Rory back in the UFC
 
D

Dysun

Member
-MD- said:
The MMA community can be pretty embarrassing.
Click to expand...

$
 
H

Hex

Banned
SolidSnakex said:
Easily? Brock beating Bones would be an upset. It's certainly not out of the realm of possibility that Brock could pull off the upset, but I don't think he's really done anything that suggests he can handle Bones. His best bet is really if he's able to take him down and then GnP him into a KO or submission. And one critical thing that Brock has shown in his fights is an inability to take kicks and knees. Those seem to wreck him. And even before last night it was well known that Bones is pretty lethal in that area.

Really the single most dangerous thing that Bones would have to watch out for is Brock's inevitable bull rush whenever he gets tagged.
Click to expand...

I hate Bones, but you are pretty much on point.
Jones would be able to zone out Brock with his size until Brock got desperate and forced a take down attempt.
We saw in fight after fight that once Brock got punched in the face he got off his game.
The only thing would be that Jones could not try and get cocky or showboat because Brock could sack lift him if he had to no matter how much Jones tried to dead weight it.
 
I

iddqd

Member
Pupperbabysassy said:
Woodley has a low fight IQ? How so?
Click to expand...

His fights against Shields, Rory are my most grievous examples.
He gets pressured and retreats into the sparring shell. And in those cases, Rory especially, he basically had no more offense.
You could say he sticks to a gameplan to a fault and seems unable to reevaluate how the fight is going in real time.
Its a flash KO or a sparring match were either guy could win (remember, his first title "defense" was a draw!)

GalacticToast said:
He doesn't. Most folks that say this have little to no understanding of the sport.
Click to expand...

Good thing I'm not most folks
 
BadAss2961

BadAss2961

Member
iddqd said:
His fights against Shields, Rory are my most grievous examples.
He gets pressured and retreats into the sparring shell. And in those cases, Rory especially, he basically had no more offense.
You could say he sticks to a gameplan to a fault and seems unable to reevaluate how the fight is going in real time.
Its a flash KO or a sparring match were either guy could win (remember, his first title "defense" was a draw!)



Good thing I'm not most folks
Click to expand...
I don't know how you can watch a guy 50-45 Demian Maia, stuffing all 20 of his takedown attempts, and say he has low fight IQ.

He outpointed the craftiest striker and the best grappler at welterweight in his last two fights.
 
R

Rumblebones

Banned
iddqd said:
His fights against Shields, Rory are my most grievous examples.
He gets pressured and retreats into the sparring shell. And in those cases, Rory especially, he basically had no more offense.
You could say he sticks to a gameplan to a fault and seems unable to reevaluate how the fight is going in real time.
Its a flash KO or a sparring match were either guy could win (remember, his first title "defense" was a draw!)

Good thing I'm not most folks
Click to expand...

Shields was an elite WW when they fought and it went to split decision. No shame in losing to Shields, especially not at that point in time.

Rory stylistically had Woodley's number. If we look at common opponents though, Woodley has faired far better. Rory got TKO'd by Condit. Woodley TKO'd Condit. Rory lost to Lawler and lost twice. Woodley knocked Lawler dead in the first round and put him on the sideline for a year. Rory had nothing for Wonderboy and pretty much got outclassed. Woodley neutralised Wonderboy's game, outstruck him and nearly finished him in both fights - and the only reason they had a rematch in the first place is because the first fight was scored terribly where only one judge gave Woodley a 10-8 for that fourth in which he put an asswhooping on Wonderboy and nearly finished him, and that's not even taking into consideration that the first round should have been a 10-8 as well.

Oh, and Maia put up a better fight against Rory but got completely neutralised and outclassed by Woodley on their fight, and that was Woodley fighting with essentially one arm, which is another thing he doesn't get credit for.

You're just as ignorant as most Woodley haters if not more. At least the majority I've seen acknowledge he's good but just hate his style or personality or hate him cause they're racist fucks.

You're actually arguing Woodley has poor fight IQ when Woodley has just had three fights against specialist back to back in which he took away their tools - a feat very few were capable of achieving before him.

If a rematch with either Shields or Rory were to happen today, or hell if Marquardt could make 170 again, who here would seriously pick any of them to win, really? Rory is good, but Woodley has improved and evolved a lot since their first fight.
 
I

iddqd

Member
Rumblebones said:
Rory got TKO'd by Condit. Woodley TKO'd Condit
Click to expand...

I had a long reply until I re-read this.

I'm glad you like his style and that you have a champion to follow.

I'd still pick Rory in the rematch and who knows, maybe Woodley will turn out to be the amazing champion with some better match ups and I'll join the hype train.

But man, Condit lost that fight because of a shitty knee and Rory beat up Condit for 3 rounds until he got TKO'd (in his second ever UFC fight in 2010).

So these examples should go back into the basement. The rest is solid.
 
A

AnotherDayAnotherDollar

Banned
I was kind of neutral on who I wanted to win the fight, but if I had to choose someone it would have been Jones. I just like seeing freak of natures, once in 20 years type of athletes like Lebron, MJ, Michael Phelps, Usain Bolt, etc. Jones is the more gifted athlete and the better fighter.

With that said, it feels bad to see DC completely demoralized like that. Before the fight I though if Jones was the same fighter he would win and possibly even finish DC (right before the fight started, I told a friend of mine that Jones would win via flying knee KO in 5 seconds lol). But I thought DC wouldn't even cry, let alone be completely broken like that. It sucks man.
 
C

Chumley

Banned
q6Kcxbq.jpg


Last night was the worst night for MMA-GAF I can remember in my time posting here. To see a concussed man emotionally break down like that, and for someone's first response to that being to laugh or say "I'm pleased" or to make fucking meme's out of it... speaks to a level of soullessness I can barely comprehend.

I hate Jon Jones as much as anyone, but when he cried and was genuinely regretful last year after what happened to him the last thing on my mind was to make fun of him. I know it's mainly a vocal minority of the MMA fans here, but it still took me aback at how many of them there were. It's an absolute disgrace. Thank god my ban expired today and not yesterday or else I would have went off even harder.
 
T

the_darkness

Banned
shockthrill said:
I mean Dana has a point

if fans don't want to watch Woodley fight, then Woodley is never going to be a draw

Dana isn't saying Woodley fought stupid, he is first and foremost a buisnessman/promoter
Click to expand...
So he doesn't get the next fight because if it?

Imagine if after the Spurs won the conference champs Stern had said "sorry you guys are boring and you don't rate well, you're not going to the finals".

Fuck that.
 
N

Ninja Scooter

Member
the_darkness said:
So he doesn't get the next fight because if it?

Imagine if after the Spurs won the conference champs Stern had said "sorry you guys are boring and you don't rate well, you're not going to the finals".

Fuck that.
Click to expand...


Other sports don't use matchmaking. I mean, the fact that Dana was even dangling a GSP fight at Woodley was all about ratings and money in the first place.
 
R

RBelong2Us

Member
Both times Woodley grabbed the fence he was on his way to going down. Smart move to risk it because worst case scenario you get a point deducted but weak AF.
 
C

Chumley

Banned
Woodley fought the right fight. He had a few opportunities to go in for a knockout while Maia was getting up from a TDD but it's a HUGE risk with him, one miss and he could pull guard and get Woodley on the ground, and once he's on the ground he very likely would have been fucked.

Woodley could have rolled the dice on going for a finish, or fight the smartest fight possible. He did the latter. When he said in the press conference that guys throwing wild fists get finished by Maia, he was right.
 
A

Archaix

Drunky McMurder
Chumley said:
Woodley fought the right fight. He had a few opportunities to go in for a knockout while Maia was getting up from a TDD but it's a HUGE risk with him, one miss and he could pull guard and get Woodley on the ground, and once he's on the ground he very likely would have been fucked.

Woodley could have rolled the dice on going for a finish, or fight the smartest fight possible. He did the latter. When he said in the press conference that guys throwing wild fists get finished by Maia, he was right.
Click to expand...


He fought the right fight for the moment if his goal was to win that fight and nothing else. If his goal includes advancing his career, becoming a bigger star, and making more money then he made terrible decisions throughout all 5 rounds.

Woodley is box office poison right now. Dana isn't punishing him as much as admitting that promotion of a Tyron Woodley fight is a money sink.
 
H

hamchan

Member
I mean, good for Woodley for winning but that was a really boring fight to watch and I sure don't want to watch anymore of his fights if he keeps going like that.
 
D

darscot

Member
Just listening to Jones is post fight interview. He seems legit scared of Stipe Miocic all that crap about the him being smaller they are the exact same height. Him calling out Brock at 225 or 230 is hugely in his favor and a joke fight. Brock will be dead at that cut and Jones would be jacked. Stipe is the fight I want to see at 225 or 230.
 
K

Kelsdesu

Member
Oscar said:
GSP doesn't have one shot KO power, that's the difference here. Woodley has the tools to be exciting, but chose to take absolutely 0 risk.

He's the champ because of this, but good luck trying to negotiate a better contract. At the end of the day, this is a show business. Nobody cares about your record (McGregor isn't undefeated), the masses buy PPVs for exciting fighters/fights.
Click to expand...



As long as we can admit that GSP was boring as well.

No argument about the record.
 
BadAss2961

BadAss2961

Member
darscot said:
Just listening to Jones is post fight interview. He seems legit scared of Stipe Miocic all that crap about the him being smaller they are the exact same height. Him calling out Brock at 225 or 230 is hugely in his favor and a joke fight. Brock will be dead at that cut and Jones would be jacked. Stipe is the fight I want to see at 225 or 230.
Click to expand...
Jones isn't talking about catchweight fights. Obviously Brock would never make that weight being that he cuts to get to 265. lol

But yeah, he probably wants no part of Stipe right now, and I don't really blame him for it. Bad matchup for him with all his physical advantages gone against a pressure stalker with real heavyweight punching power.
 
S

Shin K Dash

Member
V

Vincent Alexander

Member
Chumley said:
q6Kcxbq.jpg


Last night was the worst night for MMA-GAF I can remember in my time posting here. To see a concussed man emotionally break down like that, and for someone's first response to that being to laugh or say "I'm pleased" or to make fucking meme's out of it... speaks to a level of soullessness I can barely comprehend.

I hate Jon Jones as much as anyone, but when he cried and was genuinely regretful last year after what happened to him the last thing on my mind was to make fun of him. I know it's mainly a vocal minority of the MMA fans here, but it still took me aback at how many of them there were. It's an absolute disgrace. Thank god my ban expired today and not yesterday or else I would have went off even harder.
Click to expand...
Amen. Thankfully it was a small group, but still it was more than you'd like to see.
 
H

Hex

Banned
Chumley said:
q6Kcxbq.jpg


Last night was the worst night for MMA-GAF I can remember in my time posting here. To see a concussed man emotionally break down like that, and for someone's first response to that being to laugh or say "I'm pleased" or to make fucking meme's out of it... speaks to a level of soullessness I can barely comprehend.

I hate Jon Jones as much as anyone, but when he cried and was genuinely regretful last year after what happened to him the last thing on my mind was to make fun of him. I know it's mainly a vocal minority of the MMA fans here, but it still took me aback at how many of them there were. It's an absolute disgrace. Thank god my ban expired today and not yesterday or else I would have went off even harder.
Click to expand...

#Respect
Something very dark and embarrassing happens in here on fight nights.
Nothing more to say.
 
H

hamchan

Member
milhouse74 said:
http://www.espn.com/mma/story/_/id/20212656/tyron-woodley-asks-dana-white-apologize-criticizing-ufc-214-performance

Woodley to Dana.
"The word behind business is 'man.' You need to be a man, and owe me a public apology. And if I don't get that, I'm going to start leaking some s--- that people don't want to be out in the wind. I'm not kidding about that."

I mean, how could you not root for the guy. He's fighting harder now out of the ring....
Click to expand...

Blackmailing him doesn't seem like a good way to win Dana over.
 
K

kikiribu

Member
Woodley should leak the stuff he's talking about as now he's got me curious.

The Woodley hate makes even less sense than the DC hate. He busted up Maia's face and stopped all his takedown attempts. This is Maia we're talking about here.

Every time I try to like Dana White, he makes me regret it immediately.
 
O

Obliterator

Member
Djuro said:
Every time I try to like Dana White, he makes me regret it immediately.
Click to expand...

There was a time a while back Dana was full of BS but he was still fun / an interesting figure.

He's become a piece of human garbage though over the last few years and I went from respecting him to basically thinking he's the biggest piece of shit involved in MMA
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

  • Locked
UFC 210 Cormier vs. Johnson 2 |OT| Embrace the Grind
13 14 15 16 17
812
50K
HiResDes replied
  • Locked
UFC 205 at MSG |OT| Conor McGregor vs Eddie Alvarez | Who Da Fook Are These Guys
53 54 55 56 57
3K
211K
K.Jack replied
  • Locked
UFC 207 Rondo Rousey vs Amanda Nunes |OT| No Love & NO MORE QUESTIONS
81 82 83 84 85
4K
425K
SteveWD40 replied
  • Locked
UFC 203 CM Punk vs Mickey Gall |OT| Like Mussolini and Kennedy
72 73 74 75 76
4K
319K
PaulKersey replied
  • Locked
UFC 200 Tate vs Nunes |OT| The Fall of Jonesius
78 79 80 81 82
4K
291K
AcademicSaucer replied
Top Bottom