• Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.

UFC 214 |OT| Jones vs Cormier 2 - Dad Bod vs Coke Bod ft.

S

shockthrill

Banned
ScaryShark said:
What is there to 'do'? Put himself in a position to lose? It's not like he squeaked out a win. He literally dominated a guy. He came out of a 5-round title fight virtually unscathed.

Again, why is it on Woodley to lessen his chances of winning against a guy who only does one thing extremely well and had one tactic the entire night? Dana should be blaming himself. There's a reason it took Maia forever to get a title shot and it's because this is what he is. He's amazing at one discipline but he is not a 2017 level contender. Dana made the fight. Live with it.
Click to expand...

oh I agree that Maia is too one dimensional, he is probably done in the UFC
 
A

AnotherDayAnotherDollar

Banned
I had the fight 1-1 going into the 3rd, but can see it 2-0 DC or 2-0 Jones.

Jones looked good except for his defense, as he said it himself. He got tagged a lot.

Does anyone have a link to the on cage post fight interviews? The bar I was in turned the sound off right after the fight and started playing music. Literally WTF.
 
S

Syder

Member
slightconfuse said:
Dana is so bad can't wait for him to be gone from UFC
Click to expand...
Yup. Like it or not Woodley is the Champ and I don't see anyone in Welterweight changing that for the foreseeable future. Dana should be going out there and either defending Woodley's style or just saying nothing. What he said was straight up disrespectful but it's nothing new for Dana.

People who regularly watch know Woodley is likely to have "boring" fights, so what's the point in removing all of his marketability by having the President of the company shit all over him publicly and call his fights boring. In a bad year for UFC, it makes no sense to me to have fewer fighters 'worth watching'.




So UFC has Cyborg, Mighty Mouse and Woodley... any other Champs that Dana hates?
 
S

ScaryShark

Banned
serenewarfare said:
I mean you had to give Maia a shot. He was beating literally everyone they put in front of him. He's definitely a 2017 level contender considering who he beat. It's not like he had two wins and then a title fight.
Click to expand...
That's not really my point. I think there was a time when Maia could have won a title but MMA in 2017 is so much more advanced that a specialist is almost never going to win a title now.

Compare title holders in 2009 to now and it's just a completely different sport in a lot of ways.

Sure, Maia deserved a title shot based on his streak and the rest of the division but the fight went damn near exactly how one would expect. Instead of sticking up for his champion Dana just does his boxing promoter charade for the Affliction fan. It's obnoxious and dumb. There's an opportunity to educate the audience but Dana is just chasing the boxing dollars even though he's now obscenely rich.
 
S

serenewarfare

Banned
ScaryShark said:
That's not really my point. I think there was a time when Maia could have won a title but MMA in 2017 is so much more advanced that a specialist is almost never going to win a title now.

Compare title holders in 2009 to now and it's just a completely different sport in a lot of ways.

Sure, Maia deserved a title shot based on his streak and the rest of the division but the fight went damn near exactly how one would expect. Instead of sticking up for his champion Dana just does his boxing promoter charade for the Affliction fan. It's obnoxious and dumb. There's an opportunity to educate the audience but Dana is just chasing the boxing dollars even though he's now obscenely rich.
Click to expand...

I agree. I'm just saying Maia is definitely one of the best guys, even as one dimensional as he is. Woodley is just his worst possible matchup.
 
broz0rs

broz0rs

Member
That was Jon Jones first KO resulting from a standing strike in the UFC. His prior KOs were all ground and pound types.
 
S

ScaryShark

Banned
I think they instituted a rule after Overeem got KO'd that they don't interview guys who have been knocked out so that would be something Dana is actually truthful about.
 
S

Syder

Member
Rogan is against interviewing KO'd fighters, he even said it during the interview.

Rogan was being told by 'someone' to force the interview.
 
M

milhouse74

Neo Member
I can't believe some of you are making excuses for Woodley. Put everything else aside....previous performances. Put aside the whole "give him the right fighter" nonsense (I literally don't think I've ever heard that excuse). Look at the fight. You have a guy that can barely see, and HE becomes the aggressor in the back half of the fight. I was waiting to see if he'd have as many take down attempts as Woodley had punches. I respect something about Woodley, him not falling for the "I'll show these people what I can do". Too many fighters do and then they don't fight to their skillset or play in to their opponents hands. But none of that should have stopped him from throwing punches. He just didn't do anything other than lift his leg when Maia grabbed it. He went in there to outpoint him and that's it. Period. It was boring as shit and he deserves to be called out for that performance. Why should Dana give him a pass? Dana runs an entertainment business. That wasn't entertaining. Can anyone here say that they believe Woodley gave his all tonight? You're telling me he couldn't throw punches while getting out of the week takedown attempts? Maia was just pissing in to the wind and Woodley did nothing to stop the fight. He had a gameplay to avoid takedowns but absolutely nothing else apparently.
 
P

Pupperbabysassy

Member
Syder said:
Yup. Like it or not Woodley is the Champ and I don't see anyone in Welterweight changing that for the foreseeable future. Dana should be going out there and either defending Woodley's style or just saying nothing. What he said was straight up disrespectful but it's nothing new for Dana.

People who regularly watch know Woodley is likely to have "boring" fights, so what's the point in removing all of his marketability by having the President of the company shit all over him publicly and call his fights boring. In a bad year for UFC, it makes no sense to me to have fewer fighters 'worth watching'.




So UFC has Cyborg, Mighty Mouse and Woodley... any other Champs that Dana hates?
Click to expand...
After all these years, wouldn't the question be what Latino, Black or Asian champions he likes? The only one I can think of is Rampage.
 
S

ScaryShark

Banned
milhouse74 said:
I can't believe some of you are making excuses for Woodley. Put everything else aside....previous performances. Put aside the whole "give him the right fighter" nonsense (I literally don't think I've ever heard that excuse).
Click to expand...
It's an 'excuse' for why the fight wasn't entertaining. When a guy is a stylistic mismatch and a specialist, why would anyone have the expectation it would be an entertaining fight? It's a sport, not a theatrical performance.
milhouse74 said:
Look at the fight. You have a guy that can barely see, and HE becomes the aggressor in the back half of the fight. I was waiting to see if he'd have as many take down attempts as Woodley had punches. I respect something about Woodley, him not falling for the "I'll show these people what I can do". Too many fighters do and then they don't fight to their skillset or play in to their opponents hands. But none of that should have stopped him from throwing punches. He just didn't do anything other than lift his leg when Maia grabbed it. He went in there to outpoint him and that's it. Period. It was boring as shit and he deserves to be called out for that performance. Why should Dana give him a pass? Dana runs an entertainment business. That wasn't entertaining. Can anyone here say that they believe Woodley gave his all tonight? You're telling me he couldn't throw punches while getting out of the week takedown attempts? Maia was just pissing in to the wind and Woodley did nothing to stop the fight. He had a gameplay to avoid takedowns but absolutely nothing else apparently.
Click to expand...
He didn't throw punches? Look at Maia's face. There are multiple facets of scoring in MMA. It isn't just about landing punches. Woodley did more than enough to win the fight and never put himself in a compromised position.

In no other sport would the champion be criticized by how they achieved the victory. I don't know why it's somehow different in MMA.

It's on the promoter to make the most entertaining matchup, not the fighter. Unless you have a personal stake in Dana's finances I have no idea why anyone would take his 'side' when he keeps throwing these specialists at Tyron. Dana used to whine about GSP. People used to call Anderson boring. It's always been absurd and still is.

A good promoter would stick up for and educate people but Dana is a perpetual man baby who has always thrown people under the bus, lied and shit on talent.
 
S

Syder

Member
Pupperbabysassy said:
After all these years, wouldn't the question be what Latino, Black or Asian champions he likes? The only one I can think of is Rampage.
Click to expand...
Being a dick to people unnecessarily is par for the course for Dana White. At this point, whenever he talks shit about someone it makes me like them more. I just don't understand the logic of reducing the marketability of one of your fighters by shitting on him publicly, when you're in this game to draw viewers and make money. If I were Woodley, it would make me even more determined to stay Champion for as long as possible.
 
K

Kelsdesu

Member
SRTtoZ said:
No he actually backed up Joe. Journalist asked Dana if Joe was pushed to interview DC and he said no its the opposite, he shouldn't have but then defended Joe and said you gotta let the man speak.
Click to expand...


Joe Rogan gets more respect from Dana than most fighters.
 
M

milhouse74

Neo Member
ScaryShark said:
It's an 'excuse' for why the fight wasn't entertaining. When a guy is a stylistic mismatch and a specialist, why would anyone have the expectation it would be an entertaining fight? It's a sport, not a theatrical performance.

He didn't throw punches? Look at Maia's face. There are multiple facets of scoring in MMA. It isn't just about landing punches. Woodley did more than enough to win the fight and never put himself in a compromised position.

In no other sport would the champion be criticized by how they achieved the victory. I don't know why it's somehow different in MMA.

It's on the promoter to make the most entertaining matchup, not the fighter. Unless you have a personal stake in Dana's finances I have no idea why anyone would take his 'side' when he keeps throwing these specialists at Tyron. Dana used to whine about GSP. People used to call Anderson boring. It's always been absurd and still is.

A good promoter would stick up for and educate people but Dana is a perpetual man baby who has always thrown people under the bus, lied and shit on talent.
Click to expand...

Let's please not play the "damage" game. If you are going to go that route I'd really have to question how much MMA you actually watch.

GSP did have boring fights. He played the same game. So did Anderson. Actually, against Maia it was probably one of the worst MMA fights ever. Nothing wrong with that. If it's bad, it's bad. Why should he sugar coat it?

And you hit the point. He did enough to win the fight. That's it. Might as well leave it there. He went in happy to just win. Is it wrong that most people enjoy fighters that go out to finish fights? I love how a grappler is one dimensional and doesn't make a fight for Woodley....and a standup guy is one dimensional and doesn't make a fight for Woodley. Who should he fight then??????

Again the point that's missed here, and the point that Dana made, is that he could have easily won....easily...and done more. But he didn't. And that says a lot about him. Everything else aside, maybe Dana criticized him hoping that would ensure this doesn't happen again. Dana is a promoter. Hard to promote a product people find boring. He doesn't promote "Woodley will go out and outpoint that guy!". If Woodley wants to do that, that's great. If Dana doesn't want that, then Woodley is shit out of luck correct? What's Dana supposed to educate people on? "Well, he, uh, well he had a lot of takedown attempts he pulled his legs out of!". In the end I agree that styles can make fights. I agree that this was never going to be Lawler/Cerrone. But I don't agree to make excuses for someone who's paid to fight. He could have done more, a lot more, and still handily won.
 
M

MassiveNights

Banned
Joe Rogan said in the post-fight chat that he shouldn't have interviewed DC, said he broke his own rule, said he hates doing it but felt he had to let him speak.
 
S

ScaryShark

Banned
milhouse74 said:
Let's please not play the "damage" game. If you are going to go that route I'd really have to question how much MMA you actually watch.

GSP did have boring fights. He played the same game. So did Anderson. Actually, against Maia it was probably one of the worst MMA fights ever. Nothing wrong with that. If it's bad, it's bad. Why should he sugar coat it?

And you hit the point. He did enough to win the fight. That's it. Might as well leave it there. He went in happy to just win. Is it wrong that most people enjoy fighters that go out to finish fights? I love how a grappler is one dimensional and doesn't make a fight for Woodley....and a standup guy is one dimensional and doesn't make a fight for Woodley. Who should he fight then??????

Again the point that's missed here, and the point that Dana made, is that he could have easily won....easily...and done more. But he didn't. And that says a lot about him. Everything else aside, maybe Dana criticized him hoping that would ensure this doesn't happen again. Dana is a promoter. Hard to promote a product people find boring. He doesn't promote "Woodley will go out and outpoint that guy!". If Woodley wants to do that, that's great. If Dana doesn't want that, then Woodley is shit out of luck correct? What's Dana supposed to educate people on? "Well, he, uh, well he had a lot of takedown attempts he pulled his legs out of!". In the end I agree that styles can make fights. I agree that this was never going to be Lawler/Cerrone. But I don't agree to make excuses for someone who's paid to fight. He could have done more, a lot more, and still handily won.
Click to expand...
I'm not playing the 'damage game' (your boy Dana does. Go watch that Hendricks/GSP presser) just arguing against your point that Woodley wasn't throwing punches.

We're going in circles. Woodley easily won and you and Dana argue that's not good enough and he needs to do things that make him more vulnerable. I think that's ludicrous and easy to say when it's not your face and body in the octagon.

I would question how much MMA you watch if you can't think of anything to praise Woodley on. There is more to MMA than just KO's. A lot more. Woodley absolutely negated a respected and veteran fighter's entire offense. Sorry it wasn't enough Griffin/Bonnar for you.
 
C

Colocho

Banned
Of course the Jones/Lesnar fight would be after Wrestlemania 34 when his contract is up (he's not even in the USADA pool yet), so yeah, Vince has no say on the matter if Brock really wants to fight again.
 
M

milhouse74

Neo Member
ScaryShark said:
I'm not playing the 'damage game' (your boy Dana does. Go watch that Hendricks/GSP presser) just arguing against your point that Woodley wasn't throwing punches.

We're going in circles. Woodley easily won and you and Dana argue that's not good enough and he needs to do things that make him more vulnerable. I think that's ludicrous and easy to say when it's not your face and body in the octagon.

I would question how much MMA you watch if you can't think of anything to praise Woodley on. There is more to MMA than just KO's. A lot more. Woodley absolutely negated a respected and veteran fighter's entire offense. Sorry it wasn't enough Griffin/Bonnar for you.
Click to expand...

You're actually still playing the damage game lmao. He statistically threw the least amount of punches in a 5 round match. That's numbers. He wasn't punching. I didn't say he didn't throw any did I? I still can't figure out what hurt Maia's eye in the first round because the replays they showed didn't seem to show anything landing on his eye, not a fist at least.

I love how you view this in absolutes. Doesn't have to be Griffin/Bonnar as you put it. But Woodley could have done more. Period. You can't argue that. He negated a fighter and did nothing with it. A one dimensional fighter as you put it. Well done I guess. Glad you enjoyed it. I didn't. I'd say the majority didn't.

Woodley has 11 fights in the UFC. 8 wins, 1 NC, 2 L's. 4 of his win's he finished the person, 4 he didn't (and I would rather not count that Condit fight as a win for him since I don't think he was going to beat him before his knew blew out). He's a point fighter I guess. That's who he is. He claims UFC fans are racist because they don't like him. Maybe he's just boring. Oh well.
 
C

ColdDeckEd

Member
milhouse74 said:
Again the point that's missed here, and the point that Dana made, is that he could have easily won....easily...and done more. But he didn't. And that says a lot about him. Everything else aside, maybe Dana criticized him hoping that would ensure this doesn't happen again. Dana is a promoter. Hard to promote a product people find boring. He doesn't promote "Woodley will go out and outpoint that guy!". If Woodley wants to do that, that's great. If Dana doesn't want that, then Woodley is shit out of luck correct? What's Dana supposed to educate people on? "Well, he, uh, well he had a lot of takedown attempts he pulled his legs out of!". In the end I agree that styles can make fights. I agree that this was never going to be Lawler/Cerrone. But I don't agree to make excuses for someone who's paid to fight. He could have done more, a lot more, and still handily won.
Click to expand...

You think its easy to stuff every take down attempt from a dude like damian maia? Just because woodley made it look easy doesnt mean it is. Thats what the poster you are replying to is talking about and why he wants Dana to have woodleys back and educate people.

Like the jones v dc fight showed, one slip up is all it takes to lose.
 
R

ron_bato

Member
Ariel has confirmed that Bisping-GSP has been agreed to for MSG on November.

Bisping gotta be thanking Maia for this payday lol.
 
C

CebollaDeAbbott

Banned
Today was pretty decent.

Disappointed but not shocked Cerrone lost, otherwise. It's exciting to see a terrifying new champ, Woodley was impressive in completely shutting Maia down. And well. I appreciate that Jones may be the best fighter in MMA we have ever seen.
 
H

hwalker84

Member
$
 
S

ScaryShark

Banned
milhouse74 said:
You're actually still playing the damage game lmao. He statistically threw the least amount of punches in a 5 round match. That's numbers. He wasn't punching. I didn't say he didn't throw any did I? I still can't figure out what hurt Maia's eye in the first round because the replays they showed didn't seem to show anything landing on his eye, not a fist at least.

I love how you view this in absolutes. Doesn't have to be Griffin/Bonnar as you put it. But Woodley could have done more. Period. You can't argue that. He negated a fighter and did nothing with it. A one dimensional fighter as you put it. Well done I guess. Glad you enjoyed it. I didn't. I'd say the majority didn't.

Woodley has 11 fights in the UFC. 8 wins, 1 NC, 2 L's. 4 of his win's he finished the person, 4 he didn't (and I would rather not count that Condit fight as a win for him since I don't think he was going to beat him before his knew blew out). He's a point fighter I guess. That's who he is. He claims UFC fans are racist because they don't like him. Maybe he's just boring. Oh well.
Click to expand...
There is no 'more'. He convincingly won while also not getting damaged. You care about Dana's perception more than fighting merit. I don't. There's no point in a back and forth about that aspect since it's a matter of taste. I like MMA. I don't give a shit about Dana's personal opinion and perception and the sooner his input can be gone from who fights who, the better.

He never actually said fans were racist because they don't like him (if you want to be reductive you could probably get there, but it's not a direct quote), he said that being black probably hurts how UFC promotes him. Something I don't necessarily disagree with especially in his case since it was obvious how badly they wanted Thompson that they did the rematch straight away. From a dollar and cents POV, UFC probably would most want a white champion from America with an easy to pronounce name. That shouldn't surprise anyone and the way Dana talks about certain fighters and fights it sure seems like its his opinion.
 
Krappadizzle

Krappadizzle

Member
I know Jones was the most likely win, but shit if I didn't want Cormier to win. Cormier did well, but Jones skill just did it in the end.
 
Polygonal_Sprite

Polygonal_Sprite

Gold Member
Really enjoyed the event bar the Woodley fight.

A 40 year old Brock would still fuck Jones up easily imo. He better be careful what he wishes for ;).
 
O

OG Shaka Zulu

Member
I thought the main event would go to decision. Jones ended this rivalry decidedly. I have no idea how Lesnar Jones will go, I think homeboy just kicked a bear and might regret it.
 
M

Maaaaaardy

Member
Having not gotten into MMA until fairly recently, and not really knowing a lot.

What I have seen of DC, 3/4 fights, he is fucking garbage. Like, the worst. He's so fucking boring.
 
Braag

Braag

Member
That Woodley vs. Maia fight was as boring as I expected it to be.

I'm glad Jones won, I hope he doesn't fuck up this time. That KO was crazy though, I almost felt bad for DC.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

  • Locked
UFC 210 Cormier vs. Johnson 2 |OT| Embrace the Grind
13 14 15 16 17
812
50K
HiResDes replied
  • Locked
UFC 205 at MSG |OT| Conor McGregor vs Eddie Alvarez | Who Da Fook Are These Guys
53 54 55 56 57
3K
211K
K.Jack replied
  • Locked
UFC 207 Rondo Rousey vs Amanda Nunes |OT| No Love & NO MORE QUESTIONS
81 82 83 84 85
4K
425K
SteveWD40 replied
  • Locked
UFC 203 CM Punk vs Mickey Gall |OT| Like Mussolini and Kennedy
72 73 74 75 76
4K
319K
PaulKersey replied
  • Locked
UFC 200 Tate vs Nunes |OT| The Fall of Jonesius
78 79 80 81 82
4K
291K
AcademicSaucer replied
Top Bottom