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UFC on Fox - Velasquez vs. Dos Santos - HW Championship - 11.12.11 - 6pm P/9pm E

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charsace

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What would be big for the UFC right now is a prime Crocop. A HW that could give people that don't know much about MMA an exciting type of knockout that they haven't experienced before. A guy that could get some HK KO's would bring in a lot of fans.

Or if Brock could make another good run and get some brutal looking ground and pound KO's. Either would help the UFC out a lot.
 

Eggo

GameFan Alumnus
Chamber said:
It wasn't a tirade but Uncle Dana can't hide his emotions. Brazilians who speak broken english aren't a draw and Cain was a meal ticket as far as the Mexican community goes. Pretty obvious who he was rooting for.
The loss of the Mexican community is understandably huge, but JDS isn't that bad as a champ. His English is better than Anderson or Jose's. He knocks people out in one round, and he has far more charisma/personality than Cain ever did. Plus, if the UFC makes a strong PPV push into Brazil, JDS can be the other superstar there.
 

Eggo

GameFan Alumnus
I would kill to see a reaction video of team Blackhouse watching the main event, similar to the YouTube video in the dressing room when Big Nog KO'ed Brendan Fraud and Anderson started crying.
 

RBH

Member
This is based on the fast nationals, so it's an approximation, particularly when it comes to the West Coast because the show didn't air in prime time.

3.1 rating

5.7 million viewers

The actual rating will be available on Monday or Tuesday.

Everyone is happy with the number given there was only one minute of fighting.

--A few notes regarding last night's preliminary rating. The reason the number listed here was different from a number of sites is because the first version of the overnights that people went with measured the FOX network from 9-10 p.m. The problem is that on the West Coast, where UFC is strongest, the FOX network from 9-10 p.m. was airing filler programming and not the UFC, which aired from 6-7 p.m. So UFC got "credit" for the lower rated filler stuff, lowering the national number. The number we put up was adjusted for the West Coast 6-7 p.m. airing being put into the UFC rating. The rating is good considering the fight only went one minute. I'd have expected a higher number, but the show actually would have solidly beaten my expectation had the fight gone five rounds. UFC was thrilled with the number. It was the most watched MMA show ever in the United States, which it should have been, but still impressive considering there was almost no fighting on the show.
http://www.f4wonline.com/more/more-...s-watching-big-bouts-coming-world-champ-jumps
http://www.f4wonline.com/more/more-top-stories/3-news/22963-ufc-ratings
 

Kogepan

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Chamber said:
It wasn't a tirade but Uncle Dana can't hide his emotions. Brazilians who speak broken english aren't a draw and Cain was a meal ticket as far as the Mexican community goes. Pretty obvious who he was rooting for.

Why have Dana do analysis in the first place? I thought it was completely inappropriate that the guy who runs the promotion and has an ownership stakes made himself a studio analyst. It would be like David Stern joining NBA tonight and making cracks about Kobe after a Laker loss.
 
Kogepan said:
Why have Dana do analysis in the first place? I thought it was completely inappropriate that the guy who runs the promotion and has an ownership stakes made himself a studio analyst. It would be like David Stern joining NBA tonight and making cracks about Kobe after a Laker loss.

Hopefully it was a one time thing since Dana is sort of the face of the UFC to a lot of people. He doesn't really belong. Get a real analyst in there, even an fighter like Stephen Bonnar, Frank Mir or Kenny Florian.
 

Kogepan

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Ninja Scooter said:
Hopefully it was a one time thing since Dana is sort of the face of the UFC to a lot of people. He doesn't really belong. Get a real analyst in there, even an fighter like Stephen Bonnar, Frank Mir or Kenny Florian.

its time for Bas Rutten.
 

RBH

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UFC president Dana White had to know what was coming.

A 64-second knockout of Cain Velasquez by Junior dos Santos in the one-fight UFC debut on Fox was going to draw strong reaction from both ends of the spectrum.

But 30 minutes after the Fox show ended, the UFC president had already heard enough negativity and seen too many critical comments on Twitter.

So White lashed out during the UFC on Fox postfight press conference.

"For anyone to [expletive] about this fight because they didn't get to see [this fight or] that fight ... shut up! You should've bought tickets if you wanted to see all the fights," White said. "And you don't like to watch them on Facebook? Seriously, shut up."

White went on to explain that too many of the hardcore fight fans, who were loudest critics of the one-fight format, have a narrow-minded view of the sport.

"Every weirdo comes from everywhere, [talking] about how bad fighting is and joining the 'Coalition of I Have Nothing Better To Do With My Life.''" said White. "These are the stories we have to tell to mainstream America. Because most of us in this room live in this bubble called MMA. It's a world of triangle chokes and arm bars, all the [expletive] people have never heard of. They don't understand it. They don't know what it is. We have to ease people into this, so that's what we did tonight."


White said it was also important to expose the new fans to kind of fighters featured in the heavyweight title fight. Junior dos Santos grew up in a poor city in Brazil, but never turned to crime. Instead, he sold ice cream and newspapers as a kid and turned to fighting for discipline. Velasquez, a first generation American from Mexican immigrants, eventually made his way from junior college to Arizona State, where he earned a degree in education.

"We have to educate people. We had to show features about these two guys tonight. They're two great athletes. They're two great human beings," White said. "We explained what this sport is and who these people are who are involved in it. They're not what you think they are."

At the end of the press conference when White had cooled down a bit he made sure to thank the media in attendance who've covered the sport since it's infancy.

"I want to thank of all you guys, the guys who've been around for a long time. (You've been) working hard in the sport, just as hard as we have. Going to podunk here and there and on the same travel schedule we're on. I appreciate you very much."

One can assume he was also talking about the fans who helped the turned sport from an internet sensation to one that truly arrived on the U.S. sport scene on network TV on a Saturday night.
http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/blog/ca...t=AvQBLH1Dhj_BZq19cfjZDNU9Eo14?urn=mma-wp9401


While there was some concern after a one-hour television show that contained only 64 seconds of actual fighting, the debut of UFC on Fox on Saturday night drew strong numbers, particularly in the company’s target demographics.

UFC on Fox did a 3.1 rating and 5.7 million viewers for the one-hour broadcast, based on the fast national Nielsen numbers. It was the largest audience ever to watch an MMA television show in the United States, breaking the record of 5.3 million set on Sept. 30, 2009, for an episode of “The Ultimate Fighter” reality show on Spike TV featuring a taped match of Kimbo Slice vs. Roy Nelson.

Ratings for the main event match itself, where Junior dos Santos quickly dispatched Cain Velasquez to win the UFC heavyweight title, won’t be available until early in the week.

“I’m pumped,” said UFC president Dana White when he got the numbers Sunday. “I wouldn’t change a thing. We had to introduce the sport to a bunch of people who had never been it before.

“It would have been great to have had a three-round war, but we can’t control how the fight is going to go.”


Aside from the Slice fight on “TUF,” the UFC had twice done 3.1 ratings on Spike before but with fewer total viewers due to the difference between the reach of a network television and basic cable.

The Oct. 10, 2006, live fight special featuring the third Ken Shamrock vs. Tito Ortiz grudge match did a 3.1, which amounted to 4.3 million viewers. And a Sept. 8, 2007, fight on Spike – a unification of the UFC and PRIDE light heavyweight titles – with Quinton Jackson beating Dan Henderson, drew that same rating and amounted to 4.7 million viewers.

The previous high for a live network mixed MMA fight was the May 31, 2008, Elite XC show on CBS featuring Slice vs. James Thompson, which did a 3.0 rating and drew 4.85 million viewers.

While Fox executives would not predict a rating ahead of time, reports in the business press were that the network was selling ads based on predictions of 4.5 million viewers, so even with the short fight, they easily beat their goal.


All of the aforementioned shows had the advantage of being longer broadcasts with more fight minutes, also giving more time to build the audience as the bouts progress. Also, detailed ratings from previous fight shows have proven that significantly more viewers tune in for the actual fights than for pre- and post-fight segments and analysis, so it is fair to assume Saturday night’s ratings would have been significantly higher with a longer main event.

The show was an even bigger success in the target demographics, doing a 4.3 among males aged 18-34 and 4.0 in males 18-49. Both numbers are 3- percent and 33-percent higher than Slice vs. Thompson on CBS.

Perhaps most impressive, the show drew 1.7 million women over the age of 18.

“Aren’t you amazed by the number of women who were watching?” White asked. “When the earlier numbers came in and it looked low, we were still No. 1 [in the time slot] with women. That’s crazy.”

White also said it was the most-watched fight broadcast on U.S. television since the 2003 HBO special featuring the boxing heavyweight bout between Lennox Lewis vs. Vitali Klitschko, and largest on network television since 1998.

The UFC president continued to defend against criticism of the fact only one bout aired live, particularly when the Clay Guida vs. Ben Henderson fight, which was shown instead on FOX Deportes, was one of the year’s most exciting matches.

“It was an introduction to the sport for Fox,” White said. “We had two guys out there to introduce to the audience.”

The strongest markets for the show were, in order, Las Vegas (with a national-best 5.3), Dallas, Phoenix, San Antonio, Tulsa, San Diego, Greensboro (N.C.), New Orleans and Los Angeles. Most impressive are the West Coast results, as Las Vegas, San Diego and Los Angeles aired from 6-7 p.m. locally, out of prime time.

Earlier in the week, Fox Sports Media Group Chairman David Hill noted that plans going forward for four Fox specials per year are set to include two or three fights per special, which would air on Saturday nights in a 90-minute window from 8:30-10 p.m. ET and 5:30-8 p.m. PT.
When CBS and Spike broadcasted major MMA events, the company tape-delayed the events for the West Coast so they would air in prime time, when a larger audience would be watching.
http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news;_y...I9Eo14?slug=dm-meltzer_ufc_fox_ratings_111311
 
RBH said:

This is so hilarious. I can try justifying (to a greater extend) what is wrong with this but I won't and will keep this short. Dana is right on the money here, though his bitching could be toned down a little.

A fight is a fight, no matter if it ends early or later. You pay for the whole package, not just the main event; and even if you do, it ending early shouldn't put anyone down. It's like watching any other sport.
 

industrian

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Chamber said:
It wasn't a tirade but Uncle Dana can't hide his emotions. Brazilians who speak broken english aren't a draw and Cain was a meal ticket as far as the Mexican community goes. Pretty obvious who he was rooting for.

If you think's that bad, just wait until Machida KO's Jon Jones.
 

LosDaddie

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Dana should be upset. I would be if I were him.

I was visiting family this weekend and I convinced them all to watch the fight, and well, it was over after a minute. :lol Quite the letdown at my bro's house.
 

pr0cs

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One of the few benefits of Canadian TV, got to see both Guida/Bendo and the main event.
I really think if they would have done the international broadcast with Fox (if they were allowed) the ratings would have gone up a LOT higher. I thought the Guida/Bendo fight was awesome and really segued into the main event well.

I also thought the main event showed how unpredictable the sport is, yeah it would suck if all their events turned out to be 40 mins of fluff and 64 seconds of fighting but I think it showed how difficult it is to constantly win/remain undefeated and how dangerous some of these guys are.

I really think the UFC is a win win with JDS matching against either Lesnar or Overreem. Either match is going to be very interesting.

I got killed in my fight picks but got to watch nearly every fight so I still ended up being pretty happy (and drunk) for the evening.
 

yacobod

Banned
CaptYamato said:
Lol you really think this will happen.

maybe he's a Shogun fan?

I don't really see Shogun ever beating JBJ, but if he loses the belt to Machida, I could see Shogun winning their rubber match. He's the scissors to Machida's paper.
 
yacobod said:
maybe he's a Shogun fan?

I don't really see Shogun ever beating JBJ, but if he loses the belt to Machida, I could see Shogun winning their rubber match. He's the scissors to Machida's paper.

Not going to lie. Bones is going to have Machida on his bike all night.
 

Telosfortelos

Advocate for the People
yacobod said:
ya i don't see machida winning either, i was just trying to rationalize that guys pick.
Machida's counter-heavy style should be really strong against Jones. An upset wouldn't surprise me at all.
 

thefro

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Telosfortelos said:
Machida's counter-heavy style should be really strong against Jones. An upset wouldn't surprise me at all.

If they both had the same reach you might be right, but that 10.5" reach advantage is huge. It's going to be next to impossible for Machida to counter without getting tagged again by Jones.
 

strikeselect

You like me, you really really like me!
Jone's reach isn't his biggest weapon. His wrestling is.

Machida will win this match decisively if Jones can't take him down in the clinch. Mark my words.
 
Cerrius said:
Jone's reach isn't his biggest weapon. His wrestling is.

Machida will win this match decisively if Jones can't take him down in the clinch. Mark my words.

Are you going to act like this fight didn't happen after Jones knocks Machida out?
 

yacobod

Banned
CaptYamato said:
Are you going to act like this fight didn't happen after Jones knocks Machida out?

He did abandon mma-gaf for around a calendar year after Shogun obliterated Machida, so probably.
 

charsace

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pr0cs said:
only if it turns into a points tournament.
Machida is an unorthodox striker that's tough to take down. He has a chance. Jones hasn't fought a guy like Machida before. If there's anyone that can land something on Jones to test him and maybe even take him down its Machida.
 
I don't think Machida will win but I think he has the best style to fight Jones out of any of the 205. Also on board to see Jones lose.
 

AstroLad

Hail to the KING baby
machida's gonna get wrecked sorry bones haters. probably have to weight for jbj to move up to hw before he faces any real challenge
 
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