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https://twitter.com/tradegovuk/status/831840961621803008

UK gov welcomes EU vote to ratify CETA trade deal with Canada. We’ll help British business take advantage of the benefits this will bring.

It's funny and enraging at the same time.

 

[Sinfamy]

For the Commonwealth.

 

[tuxfool]

Haha.

Dipshits.

 

[Dynasty]

 

[HazySaiyan]

Daily Mash will have a hard time mocking this

 

[Royal_Phalanx]

So we're not going to leave then?

 

[Acorn]

My "fucking cunt" verbal tic just kicked into overdrive.

 

[KingSnake]

Any small victory matters. You will enjoy CETA for 2 years, I guess that's something.

 

[Vagabundo]

Any small victory matters. You will enjoy CETA for 2 years, I guess that's something.

lol i'll bet a hell of a lot longer. If you're out in two years i'll be amazed. Amazed i tells ya.

 

[Izuna]

Cunt

 

[Tovarisc]

Department for International Trade of UK is aware that UK is leaving EU and by doing that has to negotiate its own deal with Canada, right?

Edit:

Didn't that guy run out of backdoor moment BREXIT was confirmed to happen and didn't want anything to do with overseeing it?

 

[Apathy]

Ummm, someone should inform them that once they leave they don't benefit from it

 

[Acorn]

Department for International Trade of UK is aware that UK is leaving EU and by doing that has to negotiate its own deal with Canada, right?

Edit:


Didn't that guy run out of backdoor moment BREXIT was confirmed to happen and didn't want anything to do with overseeing it?

He's failed to become an MP seven times. Even if he wanted to do the dirty work he couldn't.

 

[KingSnake]

lol i'll bet a hell of a lot longer. If you're out in two years i'll be amazed. Amazed i tells ya.

Isn't supposed that May will officially trigger the Article 50 in March?

 

[Tovarisc]

He's failed to become an MP seven times. Even if he wanted to do the dirty work he couldn't.

Seven? Umm... huh. Well at least he is persistent?

I don't know too much about his, maybe for better?, but what I know just makes me facepalm when he pops up to praise Trump or BREXIT and such.

 

[oti]

 

[Vagabundo]

Isn't supposed that May will officially trigger the Article 50 in March?

I think she probably will, but I doubt that there will be a deal in two years. I think it will take a lot longer. And it's going to get messy if they go to the council to extend the deadline I think.

 

[QuicheFontaine]

Isn't supposed that May will officially trigger the Article 50 in March?

Yep. There's a bill going through parliament right now to allow her to do that. I think it's in the House of Lords at the moment.

 

[JonnyDBrit]

Maybe they think deals they already negotiated as part of the EU can be kept once we leave?

I mean, I know that's not how that works, but the current government haven't consistently shown they know how this all works.

 

[KingSnake]

I think she probably will, but I doubt that there will be a deal in two years. I think it will take a lot longer. And it's going to get messy if they go to the council to extend the deadline I think.

Even to extend the two years deadline they need some kind of a deal for EU to accept. Not seeing happening with the current attitude.

 

[jelly]

I think she probably will, but I doubt that there will be a deal in two years. I think it will take a lot longer. And it's going to get messy if they go to the council to extend the deadline I think.

Can it be extended?

I thought once the two years are up, it's agree a deal or go WTO rules and considering the EU is unlikely to budge on the four freedoms, extending it doesn't lead to anything.

 

[JonnyDBrit]

Can it be extended?

I thought once the two years are up, it's agree a deal or go WTO rules and considering the EU is unlikely to budge on the four freedoms, extending it doesn't lead to anything.

The EU can choose to extend the deadline at their discretion. So functionally, we're stuck on that two year limit.

 

[Fularu]

I think she probably will, but I doubt that there will be a deal in two years. I think it will take a lot longer. And it's going to get messy if they go to the council to extend the deadline I think.

Europe won't give any deals.

They want a clean, hard break and won't negotiate anything beyond what the WTO would grant the UK in regards to the european single market.

The last thing Europe wants is to be soft on the UK and show other countries they can play the same game.

Tbh as a continental European I say good riddance to the UK. While it will suck for the population, it will be better for the EU in the long term since the UK won't be around anymore to undermine it at every single opportunity

 

[jelly]

Maybe they think deals they already negotiated as part of the EU can be kept once we leave?

I mean, I know that's not how that works, but the current government haven't consistently shown they know how this all works.

Red marker pen, scribble out EU, replace with UK. Yeah, not sure if that works because the EU gets these benefits for being in the EU, you can't have the EU cake and eat it outside the EU.

 

[jelly]

Europe won't give any deals.

They want a clean, hard break and won't negotiate anything beyond what the WTO would grant the UK in regards to the european single market.

The last thing Europe wants is to be soft on the UK and show other countries they can play the same game.

Tbh as a continental European I say good riddance to the UK. While it will suck for the population, it will be better for the EU in the long term since the UK won't be around anymore to undermine it at every single opportunity

Then let the UK back in but with no privileges like before.

 

[PJV3]

We just need a 10 year transition arrangement and give some elderly Brexiteers time to meet their maker.

 

[Jumeira]

Order of cunts, the Grand Wizard.

 

[Muffin1611]

UK gov welcomes EU vote

In which parallel universe did I wake up today

 

[tuxfool]

In which parallel universe did I wake up today

The same universe where Brexit happened and Trump is president of the US.

 

[Jasup]

The EU can choose to extend the deadline at their discretion. So functionally, we're stuck on that two year limit.

This is a bit off topic, but your post made me realize again how hard it sometimes is to talk about the EU.

Because it's clear that it's not always clear that in this case by EU we mean all the remaining member states (which form the EU). A local MEP lamented this problem, describing the EU as being like a multi headed hydra, which makes communicating about European topics a nightmare. In common language we usually just talk about "the EU" when refering to the European Parliament, European Commission, Council or sometimes just events in single member states.

 

[gutter_trash]

Canada is now king of the dominion.

UK now floats forever alone

 

[Huw_Dawson]

Oh dear. You'd think they'd just not talk about all the good EU stuff, wouldn't you?

 

[Syder]

Didn't that guy run out of backdoor moment BREXIT was confirmed to happen and didn't want anything to do with overseeing it?

He'd need to be an elected politician to do that. Ironically, Farage has been an MEP since 1999, a role that will become obsolete, after Brexit. He aided in tricking a country's populace to vote for something that would fuck them over and then he went to suckle on Donald Trump's teet.

 

[Acorn]

Canada is now king of the dominion.

UK now floats forever alone

Our cakes and cheese industry will save us.

- Leadsom

 

[tuxfool]

Our cakes and cheese industry will save us.

- Leadsom

Last I checked it was Tea and Jam.

 

[Vagabundo]

Even to extend the two years deadline they need some kind of a deal for EU to accept. Not seeing happening with the current attitude.

Can it be extended?

I thought once the two years are up, it's agree a deal or go WTO rules and considering the EU is unlikely to budge on the four freedoms, extending it doesn't lead to anything.

My understanding is that the negotiation timeframe can be extended by a council vote if a deal has not been completed. But you'd have to dig into the treaty for specifics.

Europe won't give any deals.

They want a clean, hard break and won't negotiate anything beyond what the WTO would grant the UK in regards to the european single market.

The last thing Europe wants is to be soft on the UK and show other countries they can play the same game.

Tbh as a continental European I say good riddance to the UK. While it will suck for the population, it will be better for the EU in the long term since the UK won't be around anymore to undermine it at every single opportunity

That may well be, although I think over the two years there could be some softening. Ireland will be pushing very hard for a deal and looking for the UK to stay within the customs union at the very least.

 

[Herr Schwarz]

It's too bad these current politicians will be dead before the fall so they get to miss out on the proverbial bastille day where an enraged joe public starts pulling tory party members out of their homes by the hair into the streets to be, for once, actually held "accountable".

#vivalareveloution

 

[suedester]

It's too bad these current politicians will be dead before the fall so they get to miss out on the proverbial bastille day where an enraged joe public starts pulling tory party members out of their homes by the hair into the streets to be, for once, actually held "accountable".

#vivalareveloution

Yay, let's murder all the politicians we disagree with.

 

[-Silver-]

Our cakes and cheese industry will save us.

- Leadsom

But we won't be able to sell as much fish and chips.

 

[Des0lar]

That may well be, although I think over the two years there could be some softening. Ireland will be pushing very hard for a deal and looking for the UK to stay within the customs union at the very least.

This WILL NOT HAPPEN. For this to happen, Brexit would have to be reversed. The EU will not negotiate on the 4 basic freedoms.

 

[Pyramid head]

Yay, let's murder all the politicians we disagree with.

The right wing have a head start there anyway.

 

[CaviarMeths]

"We're a little busy at the moment, UK. Let's talk in about 2 years, ok?"
- Canada

 

[Mivey]

My understanding is that the negotiation timeframe can be extended by a council vote if a deal has not been completed. But you'd have to dig into the treaty for specifics.

Specifics? You could print the whole article in half a sheet of A4 paper. The extension is talked about in just one line:

3.The Treaties shall cease to apply to the State in question from the date of entry into force of the withdrawal agreement or, failing that, two years after the notification referred to in paragraph 2, unless the European Council, in agreement with the Member State concerned, unanimously decides to extend this period.

So if the UK and the Council agree, they can extend it until whenever. Which is something that you would normally assume would happen, since it should not be in anyone's interest to just "fall of a cliff". But falling headfirst into cliffs seems to be rather popular right now, so who knows.

 

[Linkstrikesback]

Specifics? You could print the whole article in half a sheet of A4 paper. It's just one line:

So if the UK and the Council agree, they can extend it until whenever. Which is something that you would normally assume would happen, since it should not be in anyone's interest to just "fall of a cliff". But falling headfirst into cliffs seems to be rather popular right now, so who knows.

It strikes me as extremely unlikely the EU council will unanimously agreed to extend the deadline. It's possible, sure. But they don't really lose much by giving us das boot after 2 years if(when) a deal hasn't been agreed in.

 

[killer_clank]

Maybe they think deals they already negotiated as part of the EU can be kept once we leave?

I mean, I know that's not how that works, but the current government haven't consistently shown they know how this all works.

Sure I read a thing that the government would be looking at this as part of whatever transition period they have planned so it wouldn't surprise me if they think it's a possibility even if it actually isn't. It's the only way this tweet even begins to make sense.

 

[DarthMasta]

How likely would it be for the UK not to just say "Sod it!" after 2 years of negotiations? Is May ready for the "We could've been free of the EU by now, but traitorous May kept us in" headlines?

 

[JonnyDBrit]

Red marker pen, scribble out EU, replace with UK. Yeah, not sure if that works because the EU gets these benefits for being in the EU, you can't have the EU cake and eat it outside the EU.

Sure I read a thing that the government would be looking at this as part of whatever transition period they have planned so it wouldn't surprise me if they think it's a possibility even if it actually isn't. It's the only way this tweet even begins to make sense.

Thinking on it, I suppose what they may be hoping for is that, with this at least, it being a relatively recent deal might make Canada willing to effectively rubberstamp it if it's on roughly the same terms. Ie, we already agreed on these points previously, so perhaps we can skip having to hash them out again.

Of course, with Canada becoming a trade partner of the EU, how it relates to a country whose economic MO is looking to be 'undercut the EU at all costs to be competitive' will be subject to scrutiny, which would inform any new trade deal.

 

[Ragnar Blackmane]

How likely would it be for the UK not to just say "Sod it!" after 2 years of negotiations? Is May ready for the "We could've been free of the EU by now, but traitorous May kept us in" headlines?

Once article 50 is triggered the process becomes irreversible. Says so in Article 50. If nothing has been negotiated and decided on after the 2 years deadline after the triggering, the EU is extremely likely to just kick out the UK with a hard break to make it suffer and discourage right wing nationalist movement and anti-EU sentiment throughout the remaining member states, and the UK will not be able to do anything about it.
Only way to get back into the EU will be to join again by going through all the ratifications) something the EU might be willing to agree to after two or three decades and with 0 the current benefits and boni (+ the ratification alone taking in between 5-10 years easily)..