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[HogIsland]

What are you talking about. This sounds like projection. I don't care if 99% of people who get into Oxford are Asian as long as they are the ones with the highest grades. As soon as you consider race, sexuality or gender, you are by definition not going solely going on talent. The irony is that the Nazis considered the colour of your skin when looking at job applicants. They were big fans of hiring on gender, race and political ideology. This actually hurt them as some of the best German scientists left for America. The West is just repeating the same mistake which is why I welcome it.

Adolf Hitler, notorious promoter of diversity.

Do you hear yourself?

 

[RCX]

I've been thinking about this for a while.

They won't stop. They can't. It's not a hobby for them, it's a religion.

Theyd rather destroy themselves and the industry as a whole than admit they've been wrong.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

I've been thinking about this for a while.

They won't stop. They can't. It's not a hobby for them, it's a religion.

Theyd rather destroy themselves and the industry as a whole than admit they've been wrong.

yep, you are damn right.

 

[Madserb2023]

Adolf Hitler, notorious promoter of diversity.

Do you hear yourself?

No, he didn't promote diversity but neither do the wok but he did believe in giving positions to people on qualities unrelated to ability. He did believe on stopping Jews and other certain groups that historically made up a large proportion of certain industries such as finance and giving those jobs to ethnicities he preferred. Very similar to what happened with farms in Zimbabwe. My point is that the Nazis didn't believe in merit either. The reality is that those who are promoting diversity are actually doing the opposite and are just being discriminatory but towards different groups.

 

[semiconscious]

I've been thinking about this for a while.

They won't stop. They can't. It's not a hobby for them, it's a religion.

Theyd rather destroy themselves and the industry as a whole than admit they've been wrong.

it's also their source of revenue. so, yeah, they ain't letting go...

 

[Darkkahn]

I am not trying to gaslight you into thinking that there aren't trends like this in gaming, I am just trying to explain to you that it is a wholly separate concern from "DEI" and these two things have been conflated dishonestly by grifters who want to make it more of a conspiracy of elites, because that narrative makes better ragebait.
These decisions are usually made out of commercial interest, honestly. There is a belief that this will help them appeal to a broader audience, and to some extent it's also an effort to appease potential backlash for a lack of representation or insensitive representation. It's not because investors or DEI departments have pressed them, they don't give a shit about game content.
Unfortunately they're now kind of caught in this now-win situation where they have to offend one side of the culture war or the other. All of you culture warriors on both sides are basically strangling gaming, and we're seeing the effects.
Again, you're not wrong about increasing representation in gaming, but it isn't about DEI departments or investor money, it's a cultural phenomenon that you aren't parsing correctly.

Representation of any kind is a part of the game's content, and examining it out of that context is wrong.
The key metric determining a video game's success is its sales, and games with a heavier focus on representation have been proven over and over again to be commercial failures. The PoC and other minorities, to whom these games cater the most, are almost never there to support them. The target audience is out there, and the so-called "culture warriors" give these games undeserved publicity, yet no one backs them in practice. Don't you find it fascinating?
This "cultural phenomenon" of yours has had but one impact, and that is to get studios closed and people laid off, and that is indeed someone's money turning to dust.
Time will tell us which side will prevail, but so far it doesn't look good for team DEI.

 

[TheThreadsThatBindUs]

The methodology section sounds like they got a statistically insignificant sample size and out of that they restricted it to people that were most likely to tell them what they wanted to hear.

How do businesses really buy into arguments made like this and invest tons of money in the process???

You'd be surprised how little statistics knowledge/comprehension the average MBA has. The vast majority wouldn't even know where to start to ask the right questions to challenge/interrogate the data being presented.

"Fun with stats" is why almost all food science is BS and that very same BS has driven public health policy in western nations for literal decades.

 

[SF Kosmo]

The key metric determining a video game's success is its sales, and games with a heavier focus on representation have been proven over and over again to be commercial failures.

I'm sorry but no, show me some reasonable analysis to that effect. People just want to cherry pick games that obvious problems far beyond culture wars Concord and Suicide Squad and just ignore all the massive successes.

Like 6 of the top 10 best selling games on PS5 have some sort of intentional diversity to their casting, like there isn't this mass rejection that people want to pretend, the games that are flopping are bad and failing to identify an audience.

 

[Shits_McGiggles]

I’m a software engineer in the US in a different industry (not gaming) and we have a very racially diverse organization.

It’s not because we have some DEI initiatives or racial quotas or whatever. It’s because there are SO MANY immigrants, children of immigrants, and foreign students studying here with degrees (or working on degrees) in computer science and other STEM fields. Mostly from Asian countries. And a surprisingly large % of them are women too.

It’s actually surprising to me when I see pictures of large game development teams and they’re like 90% white. Probably because their far left identity politics and infantile behavior are so off-putting to those who came here pursuing the American dream.

The tech sector “racial diversity” is built on decades of visa exploitation by tech companies and the inevitable nepotism/ racial preference when those foreign workers become managers.
It’s all about bringing in foreign workers for wage suppression and exploiting said workers. Hiring American workers is avoided as much as possible.
It is an unnatural process that the video game industry has not fully tapped into yet beyond outsourcing asset development to India (often with very poor results), or China.

 

[Cakeboxer]

Like 6 of the top 10 best selling games on PS5 have some sort of intentional diversity to their casting, like there isn't this mass rejection that people want to pretend, the games that are flopping are bad and failing to identify an audience.

What are the 6 games?

 

[Lambogenie]

The tech sector “racial diversity” is built on decades of visa exploitation by tech companies and the inevitable nepotism/ racial preference when those foreign workers become managers.
It’s all about bringing in foreign workers for wage suppression and exploiting said workers. Hiring American workers is avoided as much as possible.
It is an unnatural process that the video game industry has not fully tapped into yet beyond outsourcing asset development to India (often with very poor results), or China.

While some of it may be true, work ethic is also just a stronger trait among those groups, and has been since early Academia. I would rather hire someone diligent like that.

 

[YeulEmeralda]

Racial diversity is normal. White people are a minority on this planet and the West no longer dominates the global economy.